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 Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:40 am
I mean, YOU know that communism doesn't work, heck none of the system work, Socialism, Facism, Communism, Free Trade and Feudalism none of it works, so why do you bother fighting for a false system that doesn't really benefit the people?
All of this have the same root which is money and the same banking system, we know that all banking system puts debt on the working class, so why do you fight for it?
Just curious.
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:42 am
You're a ******** idiot.
Firstly, a good portion of us are fighting to remove money from the system in general.
Secondly, even communism with money is different. It removes the ability to buy capital and thus gain control over the working class.
Thirdly, you're probably mentally handicapped. Seek aid.
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:53 am
Wow, divine, seriously calm the ******** down. You're never going to do any good for anyone if you're so hostile all the time.
As for the OP:
There's no proof that this system can never work. It's worth fighting for because we believe it is right. So what if we fail? We gather the pieces and try again. That's what doing the right thing is about. I believe in making sure that everybody has the same quality of life and that that quality is as high as it can be. True Communism has never been achieved as every member of this guild will tell you. Divine is right in that one of the goals that we strive for is to do away with money completely. Way back when there was no such thing as money, why do we even need it?
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:56 am
divineseraph You're a ******** idiot. Firstly, a good portion of us are fighting to remove money from the system in general. Secondly, even communism with money is different. It removes the ability to buy capital and thus gain control over the working class. Thirdly, you're probably mentally handicapped. Seek aid. I lol'd, not because of the way you act, but because of how Ignorant you are. Yes, sitting on the computer all day is fighting, right? Lol, are you ******** retarded? Communism with money is the same thing as all the ******** system, It creates money out of nothing and in return, those people who rely on their banks are given debt. The bank gives "money" for the people and in return the people use it to give it back to the banks. lrn2economics Oh really? I guess I am, and guess what, I'm proud of it. Next time you babble like an idiot, make sure that what you say is actually acceptable and contains some logic. lolololololol IDIOT. Xion: I know that no country have achieved the communism that Marx envisioned, sadly it is a given fact that it doesn't work, the pitiful attempt of the USSR, China, North Korea and the rest of all this so called "Communist" nations are proof enough that IT WILL NEVER work. Maybe in a small community, yes, but an entire race is impossible to be united under the term "Communism".
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:52 am
If it works on the small scale why not the large scale? I don't think that anything close to what Marx envisioned is going to happen anywhere near my life time. I think that this is going to be a slow and drawn out process. People don't like change after all. But this system that America has right now isn't working either. The USSR was socialist, China... I don't want to talk about China, and North Korea is a hot mess too. Socialism /=/ Communism.
Also, thought. Social democracies seem to be working pretty well in Europe, and really if you think about it that's what Marx kinda wanted: the dictatorship of the proletariat. For the people to decide. If that's all we can accomplish I'll be satisfied. Seeing as, again, I won't be around for the final result either way...
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:03 pm
If you are so assured it cant work then why bother asking us why we fight? Is this some subtle attempt to insult us or do you just find it amusing?
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:33 pm
I am the Hateful Raven divineseraph You're a ******** idiot. Firstly, a good portion of us are fighting to remove money from the system in general. Secondly, even communism with money is different. It removes the ability to buy capital and thus gain control over the working class. Thirdly, you're probably mentally handicapped. Seek aid. I lol'd, not because of the way you act, but because of how Ignorant you are. Yes, sitting on the computer all day is fighting, right? Lol, are you ******** retarded? Communism with money is the same thing as all the ******** system, It creates money out of nothing and in return, those people who rely on their banks are given debt. The bank gives "money" for the people and in return the people use it to give it back to the banks. lrn2economics Oh really? I guess I am, and guess what, I'm proud of it. Next time you babble like an idiot, make sure that what you say is actually acceptable and contains some logic. lolololololol IDIOT. Xion: I know that no country have achieved the communism that Marx envisioned, sadly it is a given fact that it doesn't work, the pitiful attempt of the USSR, China, North Korea and the rest of all this so called "Communist" nations are proof enough that IT WILL NEVER work. Maybe in a small community, yes, but an entire race is impossible to be united under the term "Communism". I am ignorant? You're the one relying entirely on logical fallacies and ignorant rhetoric. I promote an equal economic system wherever I go. And are you retarded? I would guess so, considering your repetitive, terrible failure at absorbing any information. I have said to you that I am against a communist system with money. I am against it for the same reasons you present- that the economic system is idiotic. It's a very nice strawman you're arguing, now try my argument. And yes, you flaunt your mental retardation very well. Strut around, flash your downs-syndrome feathers. And next time you attempt to pull an argument out of your a**, along with the other miscellaneous objects you may have inserted there, make sure it's relevant. L2Context or GTFO.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:22 pm
Ok, wow. First, Divine, I want you to read probably one of the top 5 greatest pieces of American literature. It's called Letter from a Birmingham Jail by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Second, Raven. It's not the system that is flawed, it's the people who are hostile to the changes. We couldn't assimilate the American Indians because A) It would've amounted to cultural genocide, but more importantly, because we didn't care enough to work for it. We want to end all wars, we want to stop all the famine, we want to live in a just community, but nobody will stand up and take a step towards it. Whats the worst part, is that I have to explain this. If everyone in the world would come to the conclusion that there's a difference between law and justice. Law is a set of rules that a man places on another man. Justice is a set of rules every man is imbued with. It's their morals, their sense to stand up against a morally corrupt system. That's why we sit on the computer, contrasting opinions, philosophizing, and arguing. I was in economics too. I realized that capital sucks. It bogs down a system and perpetuates the bureaucracy.
Third, Whenever I talk to anyone who is 300% intolerant towards communists, I never tell them that I'm a communist. I tell them that I'm a socio-libertarian, which amounts to that same thing. It's the eloquence of the words you uses, untainted by past processes, and a peaceful, nonviolent, non-argumentative approach that will rid people of their prejudices. Ignorance breeds stupidity. Stupidity breeds intolerance. The best thing we can do is educate the people that communism isn't a bad thing.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:15 pm
Raven, firstly you're ignoring that most of us are entirely against money in the first place.
You're also generalizing--just because we *gasp* have normal lives and talk to others about our ideas doesn't mean we sit around the computer all day. Generalizing about us when you come into your group--and you yourself seem to have your ideals yet there you are, on the computer--is the quickest way to upset people, so I can see why divine acted so.
Some of us may be activists offline, or we may simply be trying to learn or form or ideas or change minds.
While no system is perfect, surely you agree that some systems are better than others? Some are morally better, some are more efficient, etc. I'm sure you wouldn't argue that fighting against fascism, slavery, etc is pointless when there is a better alternative?
Communism is better. It's more moral and more efficient. It would be wrong not to work towards it by changing minds, furthering our understanding of it, etc.
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:31 am
I am the Hateful Raven I mean, YOU know that communism doesn't work, heck none of the system work, Socialism, Facism, Communism, Free Trade and Feudalism none of it works, so why do you bother fighting for a false system that doesn't really benefit the people? All of this have the same root which is money and the same banking system, we know that all banking system puts debt on the working class, so why do you fight for it? Just curious. *Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn* Not another one of these brickheads.
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:28 am
Raziel Hotokashi Ok, wow. First, Divine, I want you to read probably one of the top 5 greatest pieces of American literature. It's called Letter from a Birmingham Jail by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Second, Raven. It's not the system that is flawed, it's the people who are hostile to the changes. We couldn't assimilate the American Indians because A) It would've amounted to cultural genocide, but more importantly, because we didn't care enough to work for it. We want to end all wars, we want to stop all the famine, we want to live in a just community, but nobody will stand up and take a step towards it. Whats the worst part, is that I have to explain this. If everyone in the world would come to the conclusion that there's a difference between law and justice. Law is a set of rules that a man places on another man. Justice is a set of rules every man is imbued with. It's their morals, their sense to stand up against a morally corrupt system. That's why we sit on the computer, contrasting opinions, philosophizing, and arguing. I was in economics too. I realized that capital sucks. It bogs down a system and perpetuates the bureaucracy. Third, Whenever I talk to anyone who is 300% intolerant towards communists, I never tell them that I'm a communist. I tell them that I'm a socio-libertarian, which amounts to that same thing. It's the eloquence of the words you uses, untainted by past processes, and a peaceful, nonviolent, non-argumentative approach that will rid people of their prejudices. Ignorance breeds stupidity. Stupidity breeds intolerance. The best thing we can do is educate the people that communism isn't a bad thing. I've read it. I don't see the correlation. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:19 pm
You seem to be...very aggressive towards ignorant people, instead of compassionate.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:40 pm
Raziel I REALLY like that term. May I steal it for my own use? I've been trying to come up with something that wasn't "socialist" or "communist" to describe myself in those situations.
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:15 pm
Raziel Hotokashi Ok, wow. First, Divine, I want you to read probably one of the top 5 greatest pieces of American literature. It's called Letter from a Birmingham Jail by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Second, Raven. It's not the system that is flawed, it's the people who are hostile to the changes. We couldn't assimilate the American Indians because A) It would've amounted to cultural genocide, but more importantly, because we didn't care enough to work for it. We want to end all wars, we want to stop all the famine, we want to live in a just community, but nobody will stand up and take a step towards it. Whats the worst part, is that I have to explain this. If everyone in the world would come to the conclusion that there's a difference between law and justice. Law is a set of rules that a man places on another man. Justice is a set of rules every man is imbued with. It's their morals, their sense to stand up against a morally corrupt system. That's why we sit on the computer, contrasting opinions, philosophizing, and arguing. I was in economics too. I realized that capital sucks. It bogs down a system and perpetuates the bureaucracy. Third, Whenever I talk to anyone who is 300% intolerant towards communists, I never tell them that I'm a communist. I tell them that I'm a socio-libertarian, which amounts to that same thing. It's the eloquence of the words you uses, untainted by past processes, and a peaceful, nonviolent, non-argumentative approach that will rid people of their prejudices. Ignorance breeds stupidity. Stupidity breeds intolerance. The best thing we can do is educate the people that communism isn't a bad thing. again this is why i think the guild needs to form an actual political party!!!
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:33 am
Raziel Hotokashi You seem to be...very aggressive towards ignorant people, instead of compassionate. If they are offended because of a failing in their understanding, that is their problem, not mine.
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