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For those of you who do not know:
Prop 8 out here in California was the banning of Same-Sex marriage.


Many people are sending me tl;dr's about how I am a homophobic, card carrying KKK member, who doesn't want them to have the same rights I do. Since, you know, all Republicans MUST be for YES on Prop 8. Even though, statistically speaking, we NEEDED about 20%+ of that YES vote to go to the democratic majority of the state to have it pass. Which it did. That's all on them, but, of course, Democrats never take the blame. For anything political.
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Yes, well, besides the fact that I cannot even vote, I decided to play devil's advocate with them. This is what I mentioned to an acquaintance of mine when he demanded that "all those ******** who voted yes" needed to "gtfo his myspace friends list". As if he couldn't be assed to do it himself. Dumbass.
But I digress.


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"Not to play devil's advocate here, but has anyone taken into consideration the fact that marriage is a religious ceremony? I think what most people were afraid of was being FORCED to marry gay couples as it is against their religions. I mean, if it didn't pass ((actually, I believe they are appealing it, right?)) then these churches would have lost their tax exempt status because they would not marry them. It would be considered discrimination, and, if the couple wanted to, they could sue the church and ruin them. Just putting that point out there. I also think that the NO campaign was TERRIBLE to many people which put them off. They shouldn't be screaming in these peoples faces about how "ignorant" they are when it is in their target audience's religion ((or, at least, they perceive it to be)) that gays shouldn't be married. It turns them off to the cause, you know? That campaign was just as close minded as they claim the "yes vote" to be by resorting to name-calling and telling them they should feel "ashamed". Instead, they should try to educate them peacefully on their view point and ask that they take the feelings of these couples into consideration. The NO campaign should have been saying, "Just think, what if you couldn't marry the one you loved?" instead of "IT IS WRONG, WRONG, WRONG". The skin color issue does not even come close to this. This is something I have been lampooned for already, but, seriously, it doesn't even come close. It's the MAN+MAN/WOMAN+WOMAN issue here because, as previously stated, they feel it is against their religion when it comes to SAME-SEX marriage, not a bi-racial marriage. You know, many people were attacked ((just as gay and bi people have been)) because they had YES signs in their yard. My neighbor's house was egged and someone tried to beat their door in. I think the NO campaign just went about this the wrong way COMPLETELY. Guilt tripping people into voting their way is NOT going to work. On a side note: I was SHOCKED ((because of the same guilt trip reason)) that 4 turned out the way they did. I found those commercials to be rude and arrogant. "Think outside your bubble" indeed. Why don't you think outside YOURS and try to see EVERYONE'S point of view?
but I digress lol"

((lol was added at the end to make that hard core liberal think that I was completely on his side. neutral ))

I also did not add this:
The Gay Marriage Law was passed illegally by those three judges. They thought they could decide what the people wanted for them. They wanted to change the state constitution with only taking a MINORITY of people into consideration.
Also, I still think that field trip to the lesbian wedding was creepy. ((Just in case you didn't hear: An elementary school in San Francisco took it's first graders to see a lesbian wedding))
Am I the only one that thinks education about this should not start that young? I am not trying to be closed minded, but these children are too young too understand imo. Couldn't they have waited until, oh say, 6th grade?

ALSO
I know it is hard to tell from my posting, but I am still undecided on this issue. I'm not 100% for it or against right now. Mainly because my best guy friend is bisexual. He is on the fence with me ((he is very Catholic)).

i find myself confused by the very issue of marriage as opposed to civil union. i personally believe marriage to be a religious institution that shouldnt be interfered with by the government, but it is because of the tax implications and other things like health care and insurance. i am assuming that the marriage ceremony itself is now considered a civil union. how could it not be? married people receive the same benefits as couples joined by civil union. its a matter of those people choosing how they want to be united. although i am myself an atheist, i believe we must respect each religion and their right to perform whatever ceremony within their own bounds that they wish as long as it does not violate the laws of the country or state they reside in. that being said, i dont think gay marriage should be politicized. i also dont think any marriage should be politicized. if a couple wants to get married, let them, regardless of gender as long as they are both human. however, if two people want to receive the government benefits that come with the joining of two people, they need to perform a civil union in either a court of law or some other federal building set aside for that kind of purpose.

dont make it retro-active. allow couples that are already married to receive the benefits of a civil union. keep the separation of church and state without damaging the integrity of either.

I'm with Scythe on this. Keep government out of religion.

Government should stay out of religion
Religion should stay out of government
Scrap all marriage laws and things like tax penalties / breaks
and make everything a civil union
marriages are as a religious thing/ ceremony

If nobody can agree that everyone is equal (not just gays but so called "african americans and the like)
Then there will be no equality to be had
If equality can be gained by taking a power that the government should never have had in the first place away
I'm all for it

Even though I am a Christian, I am all for gay rights. My best friend is a gay guy and I'm bisexual. For all the people out there that think that gay marriage should be banned because of their religion should take a look at the Constitution. FREEDOM OF RELIGION. Meaning, the next guy doesn't have to believe as I do. So, they should have all of their rights.

I love the stereotype that all republicans and all religious people despise the idea of gay marriage.

I swing more conservatively and I'm catholic...
but I'm also bisexual.

All of my democratic friends get confused when they find this out.
I'm just a person :<

I'm anti-gay marriage anyway, but the reason I support Prop 8 is because in May 2008, four supreme court activist judges overturned the vote of the people and made gay marriage legal despite the vote from four years ago.
Overturning the vote of the people. That's pretty unconstitutional. I don't think any court has the right to go against the people for their own agenda. It's just plain wrong.
Also, I don't think one interest group should have the power to change society's rules, force people to compromise their beliefs and attack the religious community when they lose. That's not tolerance at all!