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 Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:45 pm
Many girls who like yaoi and stuff like that aren't thought to be lesbians in any way, even though they support (sometimes violently) the interactions between two males in a romantic and sexual relationship. Of course, this is the same as a male liking yuri and stuff like this, it doesn't mean he is homosexual either.
However, when a girl suddenly reveals that she is interested in the relationships between two girls? OMFG LESBIAN
Don't get me wrong, I know that many girls who like yuri are (unsurprisingly) lesbian, but what about us minority?
I can't even discuss relationships with many of my friends without getting awkward responses and raised eyebrows (which is why I refrain from doing so). Unless they are lesbians, which is an entirely different matter.
So do you think that it is wrong to brand every girl who is interested in yuri/shoujo-ai as a lesbian? A closet homosexual?
What if they're entirely straight, but do enjoy the concept of girls in a relationship?
I like any romantic relationship I can get in my shows and video games, and if it's homosexual it doesn't matter to me (love is love after all!), but shouldn't that make me a lesbian?
No, it doesn't.
Incorrect labeling. Discuss.
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:26 am
Hmm... I'd say that liking Yuri or Yaoi doesn't necessarily make anyone gay or lez, but...*shrug* IDK. I'm bi, but yuri didn't make me dat way. =)
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:00 pm
I must admit that I can tell when a girl looks good, but I like males, so this labeling is incorrect for me.
I agree that liking Yuri doesn't make you bi, but... Hm...
-is looking to incite conversation-
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:29 pm
I like yuri
I'm bi too
but watching sailor moon didn't make me bi either at an early age. It might have made me more accepting which in turn made me more accepting of me but in all reality I didn't see Uranus and Neptune and go 'OMG I WANT TO BE LIKE THEM, THEY'RE SO COOLZ!'
I just like love stories (genders isn't an issue). Though I really like 'forbidden love' stories but that doesn't necessarily mean gay/lesbian. In anime it tends to be that or love between two families who hate each other (RxJ anyone?) but I like that non the less.
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:04 pm
I surprised several of my friends twice earlier this year: once in saying that yes I enjoyed yuri, and later saying that I was interested in girls. The response was more or less 'well, I knew you liked yuri, but...' XD
I know there are people out there who enjoy yaoi and/or yuri and are completely against GLBT rights. I also know of straight guys who like yaoi and straight girls who like yuri, so I don't find branding everyone who enjoys it as gay to work very well, myself.
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:06 am
Good to hear Zeph!
I don't tell anyone outright that I like yuri in fear I'll be labeled as a lesbian, so yeah.
That's an odd concept. Liking yaoi but being against GLBT rights. :0
And I'm drawn to yuri/shoujo-ai because of the "forbidden" aspect of the love. It's different. It's interesting. :3
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:02 am
The media is just beginning to release and license more 'alternative' materials, including more gay and lesbian shows (L Word, South of Nowhere, uh...Queer as Folk...I think those are the only tv shows out there with main charas who are gay/les/bi ) not so much on the manga and anime shows, but that's probably because there is still this concept that anything animated is still for little kids, and so, shouldn't involve more 'adult' themes, such as sexual orientation. This is completely bogus, but again, that stereotype is still there. "It's a cartoon, therefore it's not as real/serious as a live action and only for little kids." Blah.
Anyhoo. In our circle of friends, we don't really have that kind of mislabeling going on. People like the relationships and talk about the characters as people rather than seeing them just as their sexual orientation. If it's a good couple and there's lots of squee worthy things about them, then it really doesn't matter what gender they are.
My gf enjoys yaoi couples more than yuri couples, excluding the classics. She doesn't like ShizuruxNatsuki, or YoruichixSoi Fon, just to name a couple, but she's totally in love with YurixWolfram from Kyo Kara Maoh and the boys from Princess Princess. It does make me a little bit sad sometimes, but I don't question that she's closet hetero or something just because she likes yaoi...I just question her taste in characters, that's all.
So, maybe your friends or the random other fans you meet are just projecting their own closet issues on you, Foxy? I don't know. In my opinion, I think that having to label people based on their hobbies is just....overanalyzing, and completely unnecessary.
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:36 pm
I think you can think a relationship is cute/sweet without having the same orientation as the people in the relationship.
All the girls who like Yaoi are not homosexual men, so why should liking Yuri make them homosexual women?
People are stupid.
I think rabbits and puppies and gay boys are cute, I also think gay girls are cute. If liking the first three doesn't make me a rabbit, puppy, or gay boy, why should liking gay girls make me gay?
I do like girls, but I think even if I didn't I would think shoujo-ai is cute.
I probably would not watch hardcore yuri in that case though...
Anyway, it may be that most people watch media into which they can project themselves, people want to be heroes, want to be loved. They must think that if that is the kind of love you watch, that is the kind you want.
They are just looking at the wrong type of 'kind'
They think kind = homosexual
To you maybe kind = sweet, devoted, tender
Dunno, I'm tired and have been cut off from WoW...I think I'm fiending...
burning_eyes
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:18 pm
Yeah I hate that. Such closed mind people. Somehow too men "getting it on is a complete 180 from two women. I think its ignorance more than anything i'm sure if some people accually put a minute of their time into at least trying to watch shoujo ai they would find it quite interesting. Though on the contrary if they have watched/ read both and made an opinion off that I have absolutly nothing against it. As long as they don't bash it or bash the people watching it.
Eh that got off topic..... oh well.... Anyway you are what you are, don't let peoples labels get to you. I love your example Core-Ray <3
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:10 am
Yup yup. Totally agree. Cut off from WoW, Core?! That's horribibble!!! Don't worry, we'll call the 911 computer squad people to come fix it or something. No one should unwillingly be without WoW. NO ONE!!!!
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:46 pm
Incorrect labeling? No One should be labeled...
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:38 pm
well you can't really say that since girls who r straight have taken a huge interest in boy/boy relationships like how straight guys who like girl/girl relationships. u can't really label them really and it depends on how they view their sexual orientation as. for example, a trangender woman can see her self gay b/c she was origionally a guy or maybe they chose to see themself as a woman so she could consider herself straight.
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:10 pm
I think that labeling in general is just sort of silly. Everything gets tied up into a neat little package, but then, where do you put the things that don't fit? Like the sporks. Where do the sporks go?? I ask you.
Anyhoo. I think people that label based on their hobbies are just silly and projecting. But then again, maybe not. Maybe people just need labels to understand something better. But if they're your friends, they should know and understand you for you, and accept that sometimes, straight girls just like to read/see girlxgirl relationships.
Wait, wouldn't that be akin to something like, "Omg, you like hetero hentai couples, so you must be straight!", even though you are happily in a relationship with the girl of your dreams? Did I make the comparison right? Cuz, I'm totally in love with girls, but occassionally I enjoy looking at straight couples, more for the dynamics of the art composition and sometimes, masculine boys are nifty. ^_~ Doesn't make me straight, does it? But I bet some people might label that as 'bi'. But I'm not. So what's up with that?
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:34 pm
i think its wrong to lable. cause im not a lesbian im actually bi, and im not bi because of the yuri. im just saying that you shouldnt lable anyone. especially people you dont know
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:38 am
OFFTOPICOFFTOPIC SORRY, I'M ABOUT TO GET OFF TOPIC
To be honest, I don't really believe in this whole "bi" nonsense. You can be curious about your sexuality to a point, but I don't think someone can willingly like both of the genders without some sort of promiscuity problem.
Not caring who you fall in love with is handled entirely different than being bi in my book.
I've always associated being "bi" with multiple relationships, one after the other, in an attempt to either find the certain someone or out of sexual frustration. (The sexual frustration one being the most common)
Not caring who you fall in love with, which is what I call asexual (because, well, all the other words were taken), is different than being bi because you don't constantly go from girl to guy and back and forth. You wait, and you brood, and you wait some more until someone worthy of a relationship stumbles into your life (or you find them, watevah). [/endofftopic]
Anywho, back to the topic at hand. I adore your analogies Althy, and I can happily say that most of my friends don't care about that type of stuff, but there are a few that, out of fear of homosexuality or ignorance/stupidity, do label people (I tactfully avoid them) for their preference in certain types of relationships.
Actually, I'm pretty sure people label THEMSELVES incorrectly for liking certain relationships. Augh.
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