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 Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:09 am
well?
ive met alot of people who think so.
actually, it says in the bible to love everybody, so if you hate gays your a bad christian. I AM CHRISTIAN ANDI LOVE EVERYBODY INCLUDING HOMOSEXUALS. WHY THE HECK DO PEOPLE THINK CHRISTIANS ARE HOMOPHOBIC?! YOU DONT GO TO HELL FOR BEING GAY AND IF ANYONE SAYS OTHERWISE, THERE PIECES OF JUNK. HOWEVER, THE RETARDED HOMOPHOBIC CHRISTIANS ARE GIVING NON-HOMOPHOBIC CHRISTIANS A BAD REPUTATIONS. just wanted to get that out and see if anyone agrees with me.
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:22 pm
I believe that goes for any religion that doesn't quite agree with the gay lifestyle.
While there are some very devout religious people out there that tarnish the religion's reputation, I think it's pretty safe to say that this is a pretty neutral guild that has some tact in knowing not to assume that everyone who believes in a religion is immediately homophobic.
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:21 pm
I believe it mostly come the fact that gays are bashed on with religion and the people that do it are zealots about it.
Sadly, these attacks reflects upon the entire religion's reputation because when religion gets involved with gay rights, it tends to demean it.
We have never seen Christianity been used to help gay rights, so most people assume that it is the whole religion.
This is also sad because it affects the people who don't support this and drags them into this mess.
(I hope I worded that right. ^_^; )
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:57 pm
-----well originally Abrahamic faiths & zoroastrianism were accepting towards homosexuality, though male homosexuality & cross-dressing was known to be one way to practice goddess worrship so it was condemed as sinful with the punishment of death (Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13), though according to leviticus death is also the punishment for disobediant children (Lev 20:9), blasphemy (Lev 24:16), nonvirgin brides, premarital sex, adultery ect. so I pay no mindfullness towards this book.
-----Never once though is sapphoism (I love that word xd ) mentioned in Tanach or New Testement, & leviticus is contradicted by the implied same sex union of king David (who is also an adulterer) & Jonathan
1 Samuel 18:1-5
1 Samuel 19:1-7
1 Samuel 20:30-42
2 Samuel 1:25-6 (26: I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.)
-----this attempt to prevent goddess worship is the source of the medieval concept of the sin of sodom & Islams rejection of homosexual sex (Islam does not reject homosexual love), Lot's protection of his guests from the mob is part of hebrew tradition to protect those who come under one's roof
-Genesis Chapter 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
-"to know" is the KJV way of saying sexual intercourse without directly mentioning it, though women were often (though not always) eager to get married (I am speaking of only in early judea at this point); in having sex with a man they would become engaged to there consort. The sin of sodom was originally interpreted as the degredation & rape of strangers, though was transmuted by church officials into homosexuality as a lingering effect of the goddess worrship response.
-----The misguided veiw is the "traditional" veiw of many today & has therefore become a negative steroetype. cry
-----On an Entertaining note it is well known that the King James who the KJV is named for was himself gay, he had relations with many men. question
-----King Solomon is well known to have had 300 wives & 700 concubines (a wife by law), & according to hebrew law a man must have sex with his wife at least one within a set timeframe (eg. a day, a week, 6 months) depending on occupation in order to satisfy the wife, this gives him a couple of seconds for each woman, so likely there were allowed Διώνυσος style parties & lesbianism for the benefit of the women. heart exclaim wink xd crying stare whee
-----The sting of ignorance was felt in many places touched by european hands who were at this point poisoned with ignorance, there is no known sexual-based discrimination in india before the british colonization. eg- Vishnu's incarnation Krishna was castrated therefore becoming a Hijra; an intersex child (Sikhandin) was born to daughter of King Drupada of the Panchalas in the Mahabharata; & the Kama Surta describes male homosexuality along with lesbianism & bisexuality.
-----even in china there was (before contact with europe) discrimination of a sexual nature because of the consept of yinyang, homosexuality was veiwed as 2 yins or 2 yangs united & therefore unbalanced, yet the aztecs & there concept of Teotl (something devine yet identical to everything) had no objections to alternative sexualities. this may seem off topic but I'm about to make this relevent.
-----Human are animals, one of thousands in which same sex relations is documented...
-the Bahá'u'lláh teaches that God is like a mother & Humanity akin to a child, & that god teaches humanity through manifestations (like a mirror representing the manifestation of god reflects the light of the sun, which is analogous to god, & the light akin to knowledge.) though not all the teachings are truth, for people like a child must crawl before walking & must experience the womb before the world, the teaching often help people deal with issues relevant to the times (Jesus taught obey the law & do unto others as you would have them do unto you; Muhammad taught compassion to all animals, religious tolerance, & Jihad = fight for what you belive is right!; the Bahá'u'lláh taught the oneness of humanity & the instrumentality of universal auxillary language & education; Quetzalcoatl abhored animal & human sacrifices; Siddhattha Gotama showed the world was ever changing.)
-one does not have to belive this to aknowledge the furthering human spiritual growth is related to the growth in acceptance, compassion, & duty through theological evolution (the change in what people belive over time), one day discrimination will be no more, though it's a long way to go.
-----There have been christians, jews, muslims, hindus, ect who have pushed for LGBT Rights & the Instrumentality of Compassion, yet there voices are drowned out by those who seek to inhibit the growth of mankind into its final form.
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:41 am
having spent christmas with my uber-christian father and gotten into a heated debate with him about homosexuality...
he and many other zealots argue that being gay is wrong because it's considered an "abomination" in the bible. to me, that's one of many conflicting statements in the so-called "good book," which also teaches you to love thy neighbor.
i wouldn't mind some christians having negative feelings if they just kept them to themselves instead of going out and trying to convert people who probably lead a more loving, accepting life than the people who are trying to turn them into children of god.
so really, in most cases i don't think it's necessarily homophobia as just being a**l retentive enough to follow the bible word-for-word.
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:10 am
Most christians that I know are against it majorly. But the funny thing about it is in the bible it says not to judge people. And yet they still do, so they must not be too christianly.
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:03 am
Hahaha and to think that they're saying that we're just using this "homophobia-propaganda" s**t to contaminate the young people's mind to our sinful activities -3-''''
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:06 pm
Sundae Afternoone
he and many other zealots argue that being gay is wrong because it's considered an "abomination" in the bible. to me, that's one of many conflicting statements in the so-called "good book," which also teaches you to love thy neighbor.
Some of those that burn crosses
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'Love they neighbor — unless they're a homo.' (It was in the subtext wink )
I can't even take the Bible seriously because of all the contradictions. It's been changed and convoluted so much that I don't understand how people believe in it anymore.
As to the topic at hand (ahahaha...), it's been sort of universally accepted that Christians are homophobes, or at least anti-gay. In my opinion, only the ones who can think for themselves or have any small amount of good form are allowed to call themselves 'good Christians.'
. . .
a re the same that hold office.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:21 pm
Because majority are being brainwashed by blasted messages sent by the closed minded people of their Christian environment. I don't see how loving the same sex is supposed to be a sin. Just because you feel awkward seeing two guys or girls exchanging "gestures of love" doesn't make them wrong.
It's as they say: "People fear the things that they do not understand", and since these people cannot understand the beauty heart heart of homosexual love, they bash it, saying it's "wrong" and "sinful", when clearly, they are simply uncomfortable about it.
I wouldn't mind them being unable to accept, as long as they keep their own whiny sh*t to themselves, then we're pretty much good. talk2hand
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:48 pm
People think Christians are homophobic because the Christians that get Media attention are Fundamentalists and Fundamentalists are homophobic, therefore, people are lead to believe that the homophobic Fundamentalist Christians represent all Christians, therefore, making all Christians homophobic.
If the so-called Christians in the lime-light are really Christians, then I want nothing to do with their Christ, because the Christ I know is only a fundamentalist if he's a fundamentalist of love, not of stuck-up-snobbery and accusation. The Christ I know told the overly-stuck-up fundamentalists of his time that their panties were too tight and to make room for God's reality instead of getting caught up in their self-proclaimed perfection, and that's what I would like to say to the so-called Christians who gay-bash in the limelight.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:15 pm
Oooh... You guys make me feel terrible for being Christian. *sighs* I wish I was just an atheist instead sometimes. Christians aren't all that bad, you know; haven't you people heard of exceptions to the stereotype? crying I wish you guys wouldn't generalize so much -it kinda makes you look as bad. It's like saying that a lesbian is a girl who tries to imitate a boy by actions, looks, personality, sexual preferences and gestures, and therefore, wants to be male. Now we all know that's just bullsh*t. Not all lesbian women look like that, and even if some of them were more masculine in behavior then they are supposedly expected to be, it doesn't mean that she wants to be a boy; it may just happen that she likes that kind of style, or she's just straight but rather tomboyish.
[And Core, if you happen upon this thread and see my reply, please don't start an argument. xd ]
Also, the Old Testament, if any of you have actually read the Bible, is not something to be taken into much consideration in vindicating people's being anti-gay. The past is the past, as they say, and the rules in that first part of the Bible are mostly no longer followed, except for the Ten Commandments. The OT is only there to help Christians understand the New Testament; if we actually based our spiritual life on that, then we wouldn't be able to eat shellfood, or pork, or cut our hair, and men wouldn't be able to shave their beards. If we truly did apply the laws of the OT during the modern times, then Christians would be more objectionable to almost practically everything that people do.
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:18 pm
I know quite a number of gay people and a quite of my friends are christains; most of them arnt homophobic. A few of them arnt as comfortable as others but they arnt all in their faces about it being wrong etc and dropping them like week old trash.
They beleive that you hate their sexuality not the person themselves, my friend quoted "We had gayness, but we loves gays"
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:59 am
I think that majority of so called Christians today are not truly Christians, the men who go to church on sunday then that afternoon beat their wives and kids; Then goes and sleeps with other women. For someone to truly say they are Christians they would have to walk in the path of Christ. Jesus would never look down or chastise a homosexual or someone that is covered in tattoos. In the bible all of his disciples were murderers, thieves and average criminals. For any man to openly discriminate against any other man (man being human) would make him not a Christian.
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:20 pm
I've heard a lot that being gay or a lesbian is a sin. I think thats stupid. My church has actually talked about it and my mom thinks that gay or lesbian is a sin, thats why i can't tell her I'm a lesbian. It shouldn't be a sin, it's just how some people are.
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:30 pm
To me it seems that the only branch that openly expresses hatred towards homosexuals is the Catholic Church. I'm not saying it's the members of the Catholic Church but the governing body, the Vatican. I think it's because homosexuals aren't the exact same as everyone else and think differently so the Church sees them as a threat to its control. It's similar to China's policies towards religion in which it tries to control and eliminate them (Eastern religion encourages thinking which is a big no-no to control and conformity).
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