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 Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:11 pm
CNN has been running several stories about the drug violence spilling over from Mexico, and one argument keeps coming up: legalizing drugs. Now before anyone's head starts to spin, the argument is NOT a cut the leash and let it run free policy, but a system with good regulation and taxation, suggesting large amounts of potential revenue from the taxation of this market. Here is one article from Jack Cafferty, and you can find a video on CNN where a Harvard economics professor makes the argument as well. I'm curious. What do you think about the legalization of (currently illegal) drugs?
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:44 pm
Pot? I'm fine with, I don't see anything truly harmful about that drug besides it offends my nose unlike anything else ever has...
Cocain is a big maybe in my book...
Other drugs, Meth, Heroine, Acid, and other synthetic drugs scare me. A friend killed herself right after high school because of meth, took too much, had a bad trip, ended up shooting herself with her fathers gun. Intelligent, Beautiful gal, just fell into the wrong group of kids senior year, and threw it all away.
Even controlled and taxed substances can be abused, I've been smoking on and off for years despite Utah's heavy taxation on cigarettes. Hell, I've been keeping my drinking to a minimum here (I still have found an appreciation of White Wine, but I limit myself to one glass). New Years eve, after picking up a mean drunk, I did something more or less drastic to myself.
My point, controlling these substances is not the solution, educating the population to the dangers of these drugs and keeping a look out for the danger signs of their distribution and use are what we need to focus on...
Some of these drugs are just far to dangerous to just legalize...
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:09 pm
If it'll kill you faster than smoking cigs moderately, I don't really think it should be legalized.
Other than that, No drugs while operating machinery/driving/doing something that requires your motor skills to be active, and I'm fin with it. I've got no problem with people smoking grass.
They seem to be more carefree that way. I'd love to play games with someone on pot...DnD just won't cut it...
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:17 pm
Two points -- mostly to put them out there.
1. You cannot legislate morality, and if you try to, there will be plenty of people there to fight you (look at California's prop 215).
2. We act like these drugs are dangerous, but the most dangerous part right now is that there are part of a black market, and those who work on a black market cannot settle their problems with the courts or due process. Instead, they resort to violence. Look at Prohibition for the historical reference, and look at the drug cartels to see what is happening now. Look at prostitution, and the issue becomes a lot more human.*
*This is not a personal avocation, but merely a point that most of the danger coming from the war on drugs is because we forced them onto the black market.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:45 pm
Mr Jawes Two points -- mostly to put them out there. 1. You cannot legislate morality, and if you try to, there will be plenty of people there to fight you (look at California's prop 215). 2. We act like these drugs are dangerous, but the most dangerous part right now is that there are part of a black market, and those who work on a black market cannot settle their problems with the courts or due process. Instead, they resort to violence. Look at Prohibition for the historical reference, and look at the drug cartels to see what is happening now. Look at prostitution, and the issue becomes a lot more human.* *This is not a personal avocation, but merely a point that most of the danger coming from the war on drugs is because we forced them onto the black market. You cannot say these drugs are not dangerous, many are fiercely addicting and have horrifying health problems to boot... Then there are some that taken in excess can drive a person nuts. Heroine, Meth, Acid and drugs like those are terrifying. Legalizing those would tear the fabric of our society apart...
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:59 pm
Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes Two points -- mostly to put them out there. 1. You cannot legislate morality, and if you try to, there will be plenty of people there to fight you (look at California's prop 215). 2. We act like these drugs are dangerous, but the most dangerous part right now is that there are part of a black market, and those who work on a black market cannot settle their problems with the courts or due process. Instead, they resort to violence. Look at Prohibition for the historical reference, and look at the drug cartels to see what is happening now. Look at prostitution, and the issue becomes a lot more human.* *This is not a personal avocation, but merely a point that most of the danger coming from the war on drugs is because we forced them onto the black market. You cannot say these drugs are not dangerous, many are fiercely addicting and have horrifying health problems to boot... Then there are some that taken in excess can drive a person nuts. Heroine, Meth, Acid and drugs like those are terrifying. Legalizing those would tear the fabric of our society apart... You could also make the case that keeping them illegal is tearing society by opening the door to organized crime protecting these drugs. I've also heard the point that people like doctors and teachers are already doing these drugs, and the legalizing them would at least bring it out into the open so that you could make a decision for yourself as to whether or not to go to a doctor who occasionally does cocaine.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:12 pm
Mr Jawes Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes Two points -- mostly to put them out there. 1. You cannot legislate morality, and if you try to, there will be plenty of people there to fight you (look at California's prop 215). 2. We act like these drugs are dangerous, but the most dangerous part right now is that there are part of a black market, and those who work on a black market cannot settle their problems with the courts or due process. Instead, they resort to violence. Look at Prohibition for the historical reference, and look at the drug cartels to see what is happening now. Look at prostitution, and the issue becomes a lot more human.* *This is not a personal avocation, but merely a point that most of the danger coming from the war on drugs is because we forced them onto the black market. You cannot say these drugs are not dangerous, many are fiercely addicting and have horrifying health problems to boot... Then there are some that taken in excess can drive a person nuts. Heroine, Meth, Acid and drugs like those are terrifying. Legalizing those would tear the fabric of our society apart... You could also make the case that keeping them illegal is tearing society by opening the door to organized crime protecting these drugs. I've also heard the point that people like doctors and teachers are already doing these drugs, and the legalizing them would at least bring it out into the open so that you could make a decision for yourself as to whether or not to go to a doctor who occasionally does cocaine. If a doc gets caught with drugs, malpractice and he loses his license... I don't care who's doing them, there is far more at stake if they legalize everything than there would be to keep it illegal... It's far too Libertarian for my books... I can so NO social benefits for compromise here... There are ways around keep it lower... Mexico needs to crack down on their grounds...
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:10 pm
Really, I don't know what to do. Like Jawes said, keeping it illegal has not done very much for us, because it is creating illegal markets and violence. But, I haven't heard any historical arguments about what to expect when drugs become legalized. So, I don't think we should be expecting results either way. It's a huge maybe to me.
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:22 am
Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes Two points -- mostly to put them out there. 1. You cannot legislate morality, and if you try to, there will be plenty of people there to fight you (look at California's prop 215). 2. We act like these drugs are dangerous, but the most dangerous part right now is that there are part of a black market, and those who work on a black market cannot settle their problems with the courts or due process. Instead, they resort to violence. Look at Prohibition for the historical reference, and look at the drug cartels to see what is happening now. Look at prostitution, and the issue becomes a lot more human.* *This is not a personal avocation, but merely a point that most of the danger coming from the war on drugs is because we forced them onto the black market. You cannot say these drugs are not dangerous, many are fiercely addicting and have horrifying health problems to boot... Then there are some that taken in excess can drive a person nuts. Heroine, Meth, Acid and drugs like those are terrifying. Legalizing those would tear the fabric of our society apart... All of that USED to be legal. Watch "history of *inster drug*" on History Channel. They became illegal once people started dying. There is no such thing as a "safe" drug, and all heroine, crack, meth, acid, etc. do to a person's body is severally hurt them. There's this concept of "if we legallize it, things will get better" mentality these days, and not just with drug legalization either. This is putting waayyy too much faith in our government to actually be able to regulate in a way that keeps things safe, and with this kind of drug I just don't think that's realistic. I understand there's a desperate need for more jobs in this country, but who the heck wants to make heroine for a living? Can you say "major health hazard?!" How would that be marketed? "Hey U.S. citizens, we've completely given up on ever breaking the illegal drug market so why not shoot up some WFL (We Fail at Life) approved heroine! It's safer! *disclaimer: heroineisextremelydangerousandaddictiveandcanresultinpainfuldeath. AlsoifneedlesarenotcompletelysteroilizedthereisariskofgettingHIV. Youshouldnottakeheroineifyouarepregnant,maybecomepregnant,haveanytroublewithanyorgan,orwantotamounttoanythinginlife.*"
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:21 pm
Sakyh Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes Two points -- mostly to put them out there. 1. You cannot legislate morality, and if you try to, there will be plenty of people there to fight you (look at California's prop 215). 2. We act like these drugs are dangerous, but the most dangerous part right now is that there are part of a black market, and those who work on a black market cannot settle their problems with the courts or due process. Instead, they resort to violence. Look at Prohibition for the historical reference, and look at the drug cartels to see what is happening now. Look at prostitution, and the issue becomes a lot more human.* *This is not a personal avocation, but merely a point that most of the danger coming from the war on drugs is because we forced them onto the black market. You cannot say these drugs are not dangerous, many are fiercely addicting and have horrifying health problems to boot... Then there are some that taken in excess can drive a person nuts. Heroine, Meth, Acid and drugs like those are terrifying. Legalizing those would tear the fabric of our society apart... All of that USED to be legal. Watch "history of *inster drug*" on History Channel. They became illegal once people started dying. There is no such thing as a "safe" drug, and all heroine, crack, meth, acid, etc. do to a person's body is severally hurt them. There's this concept of "if we legallize it, things will get better" mentality these days, and not just with drug legalization either. This is putting waayyy too much faith in our government to actually be able to regulate in a way that keeps things safe, and with this kind of drug I just don't think that's realistic. I understand there's a desperate need for more jobs in this country, but who the heck wants to make heroine for a living? Can you say "major health hazard?!" How would that be marketed? "Hey U.S. citizens, we've completely given up on ever breaking the illegal drug market so why not shoot up some WFL (We Fail at Life) approved heroine! It's safer! *disclaimer: heroineis extremelydangerousandaddictiveandcanresultinpainfuldeath. AlsoifneedlesarenotcompletelysteroilizedthereisariskofgettingHIV. Youshouldnottakeheroineifyouarepregnant,maybecomepregnant,haveanytroublewithanyorgan,orwantotamounttoanythinginlife.*" I think you're on to something there, Sakyh. I think that would be the perfect mandatory conclusion for every commercial ever from now on.
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:56 pm
Sakyh Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes Two points -- mostly to put them out there. 1. You cannot legislate morality, and if you try to, there will be plenty of people there to fight you (look at California's prop 215). 2. We act like these drugs are dangerous, but the most dangerous part right now is that there are part of a black market, and those who work on a black market cannot settle their problems with the courts or due process. Instead, they resort to violence. Look at Prohibition for the historical reference, and look at the drug cartels to see what is happening now. Look at prostitution, and the issue becomes a lot more human.* *This is not a personal avocation, but merely a point that most of the danger coming from the war on drugs is because we forced them onto the black market. You cannot say these drugs are not dangerous, many are fiercely addicting and have horrifying health problems to boot... Then there are some that taken in excess can drive a person nuts. Heroine, Meth, Acid and drugs like those are terrifying. Legalizing those would tear the fabric of our society apart... All of that USED to be legal. Watch "history of *inster drug*" on History Channel. They became illegal once people started dying. There is no such thing as a "safe" drug, and all heroine, crack, meth, acid, etc. do to a person's body is severally hurt them. There's this concept of "if we legallize it, things will get better" mentality these days, and not just with drug legalization either. This is putting waayyy too much faith in our government to actually be able to regulate in a way that keeps things safe, and with this kind of drug I just don't think that's realistic. I understand there's a desperate need for more jobs in this country, but who the heck wants to make heroine for a living? Can you say "major health hazard?!" How would that be marketed? "Hey U.S. citizens, we've completely given up on ever breaking the illegal drug market so why not shoot up some WFL (We Fail at Life) approved heroine! It's safer! *disclaimer: heroineisextremelydangerousandaddictiveandcanresultinpainfuldeath. AlsoifneedlesarenotcompletelysteroilizedthereisariskofgettingHIV. Youshouldnottakeheroineifyouarepregnant,maybecomepregnant,haveanytroublewithanyorgan,orwantotamounttoanythinginlife.*" Post of the Week. Congrats. Alcohol is legal. And a few months ago, a dude driving drunk in Miami killed a two year old girl and her father. When he found out what he did, he only said, "Well, at least the Dolphins won." People are the problem. A rather unsolvable one. At least if you're people.
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:14 am
Arvis_Jaggamar Sakyh Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes Two points -- mostly to put them out there. 1. You cannot legislate morality, and if you try to, there will be plenty of people there to fight you (look at California's prop 215). 2. We act like these drugs are dangerous, but the most dangerous part right now is that there are part of a black market, and those who work on a black market cannot settle their problems with the courts or due process. Instead, they resort to violence. Look at Prohibition for the historical reference, and look at the drug cartels to see what is happening now. Look at prostitution, and the issue becomes a lot more human.* *This is not a personal avocation, but merely a point that most of the danger coming from the war on drugs is because we forced them onto the black market. You cannot say these drugs are not dangerous, many are fiercely addicting and have horrifying health problems to boot... Then there are some that taken in excess can drive a person nuts. Heroine, Meth, Acid and drugs like those are terrifying. Legalizing those would tear the fabric of our society apart... All of that USED to be legal. Watch "history of *inster drug*" on History Channel. They became illegal once people started dying. There is no such thing as a "safe" drug, and all heroine, crack, meth, acid, etc. do to a person's body is severally hurt them. There's this concept of "if we legallize it, things will get better" mentality these days, and not just with drug legalization either. This is putting waayyy too much faith in our government to actually be able to regulate in a way that keeps things safe, and with this kind of drug I just don't think that's realistic. I understand there's a desperate need for more jobs in this country, but who the heck wants to make heroine for a living? Can you say "major health hazard?!" How would that be marketed? "Hey U.S. citizens, we've completely given up on ever breaking the illegal drug market so why not shoot up some WFL (We Fail at Life) approved heroine! It's safer! *disclaimer: heroineisextremelydangerousandaddictiveandcanresultinpainfuldeath. AlsoifneedlesarenotcompletelysteroilizedthereisariskofgettingHIV. Youshouldnottakeheroineifyouarepregnant,maybecomepregnant,haveanytroublewithanyorgan,orwantotamounttoanythinginlife.*" Post of the Week. Congrats. Alcohol is legal. And a few months ago, a dude driving drunk in Miami killed a two year old girl and her father. When he found out what he did, he only said, "Well, at least the Dolphins won." People are the problem. A rather unsolvable one. At least if you're people. The logical answer is to kill all the people. However, I've been told there is a problem with this solution.
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:23 pm
Fryderyk Arvis_Jaggamar Sakyh Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes Two points -- mostly to put them out there. 1. You cannot legislate morality, and if you try to, there will be plenty of people there to fight you (look at California's prop 215). 2. We act like these drugs are dangerous, but the most dangerous part right now is that there are part of a black market, and those who work on a black market cannot settle their problems with the courts or due process. Instead, they resort to violence. Look at Prohibition for the historical reference, and look at the drug cartels to see what is happening now. Look at prostitution, and the issue becomes a lot more human.* *This is not a personal avocation, but merely a point that most of the danger coming from the war on drugs is because we forced them onto the black market. You cannot say these drugs are not dangerous, many are fiercely addicting and have horrifying health problems to boot... Then there are some that taken in excess can drive a person nuts. Heroine, Meth, Acid and drugs like those are terrifying. Legalizing those would tear the fabric of our society apart... All of that USED to be legal. Watch "history of *inster drug*" on History Channel. They became illegal once people started dying. There is no such thing as a "safe" drug, and all heroine, crack, meth, acid, etc. do to a person's body is severally hurt them. There's this concept of "if we legallize it, things will get better" mentality these days, and not just with drug legalization either. This is putting waayyy too much faith in our government to actually be able to regulate in a way that keeps things safe, and with this kind of drug I just don't think that's realistic. I understand there's a desperate need for more jobs in this country, but who the heck wants to make heroine for a living? Can you say "major health hazard?!" How would that be marketed? "Hey U.S. citizens, we've completely given up on ever breaking the illegal drug market so why not shoot up some WFL (We Fail at Life) approved heroine! It's safer! *disclaimer: heroineisextremelydangerousandaddictiveandcanresultinpainfuldeath. AlsoifneedlesarenotcompletelysteroilizedthereisariskofgettingHIV. Youshouldnottakeheroineifyouarepregnant,maybecomepregnant,haveanytroublewithanyorgan,orwantotamounttoanythinginlife.*" Post of the Week. Congrats. Alcohol is legal. And a few months ago, a dude driving drunk in Miami killed a two year old girl and her father. When he found out what he did, he only said, "Well, at least the Dolphins won." People are the problem. A rather unsolvable one. At least if you're people. The logical answer is to kill all the people. However, I've been told there is a problem with this solution. Who told you that? Don't be silly.
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:57 pm
Sakyh Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes Two points -- mostly to put them out there. 1. You cannot legislate morality, and if you try to, there will be plenty of people there to fight you (look at California's prop 215). 2. We act like these drugs are dangerous, but the most dangerous part right now is that there are part of a black market, and those who work on a black market cannot settle their problems with the courts or due process. Instead, they resort to violence. Look at Prohibition for the historical reference, and look at the drug cartels to see what is happening now. Look at prostitution, and the issue becomes a lot more human.* *This is not a personal avocation, but merely a point that most of the danger coming from the war on drugs is because we forced them onto the black market. You cannot say these drugs are not dangerous, many are fiercely addicting and have horrifying health problems to boot... Then there are some that taken in excess can drive a person nuts. Heroine, Meth, Acid and drugs like those are terrifying. Legalizing those would tear the fabric of our society apart... All of that USED to be legal. Watch "history of *inster drug*" on History Channel. They became illegal once people started dying. There is no such thing as a "safe" drug, and all heroine, crack, meth, acid, etc. do to a person's body is severally hurt them. There's this concept of "if we legallize it, things will get better" mentality these days, and not just with drug legalization either. This is putting waayyy too much faith in our government to actually be able to regulate in a way that keeps things safe, and with this kind of drug I just don't think that's realistic. I understand there's a desperate need for more jobs in this country, but who the heck wants to make heroine for a living? Can you say "major health hazard?!" How would that be marketed? "Hey U.S. citizens, we've completely given up on ever breaking the illegal drug market so why not shoot up some WFL (We Fail at Life) approved heroine! It's safer! *disclaimer: heroineisextremelydangerousandaddictiveandcanresultinpainfuldeath. AlsoifneedlesarenotcompletelysteroilizedthereisariskofgettingHIV. Youshouldnottakeheroineifyouarepregnant,maybecomepregnant,haveanytroublewithanyorgan,orwantotamounttoanythinginlife.*" I knew that if anyone would be on the same page as me about this subject, it'd be you. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:11 pm
Drinky McIrish Sakyh Drinky McIrish Mr Jawes Two points -- mostly to put them out there. 1. You cannot legislate morality, and if you try to, there will be plenty of people there to fight you (look at California's prop 215). 2. We act like these drugs are dangerous, but the most dangerous part right now is that there are part of a black market, and those who work on a black market cannot settle their problems with the courts or due process. Instead, they resort to violence. Look at Prohibition for the historical reference, and look at the drug cartels to see what is happening now. Look at prostitution, and the issue becomes a lot more human.* *This is not a personal avocation, but merely a point that most of the danger coming from the war on drugs is because we forced them onto the black market. You cannot say these drugs are not dangerous, many are fiercely addicting and have horrifying health problems to boot... Then there are some that taken in excess can drive a person nuts. Heroine, Meth, Acid and drugs like those are terrifying. Legalizing those would tear the fabric of our society apart... All of that USED to be legal. Watch "history of *inster drug*" on History Channel. They became illegal once people started dying. There is no such thing as a "safe" drug, and all heroine, crack, meth, acid, etc. do to a person's body is severally hurt them. There's this concept of "if we legallize it, things will get better" mentality these days, and not just with drug legalization either. This is putting waayyy too much faith in our government to actually be able to regulate in a way that keeps things safe, and with this kind of drug I just don't think that's realistic. I understand there's a desperate need for more jobs in this country, but who the heck wants to make heroine for a living? Can you say "major health hazard?!" How would that be marketed? "Hey U.S. citizens, we've completely given up on ever breaking the illegal drug market so why not shoot up some WFL (We Fail at Life) approved heroine! It's safer! *disclaimer: heroineisextremelydangerousandaddictiveandcanresultinpainfuldeath. AlsoifneedlesarenotcompletelysteroilizedthereisariskofgettingHIV. Youshouldnottakeheroineifyouarepregnant,maybecomepregnant,haveanytroublewithanyorgan,orwantotamounttoanythinginlife.*" I knew that if anyone would be on the same page as me about this subject, it'd be you. 3nodding High five!
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