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 Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:04 pm
While it's not exactly a religion on it's own, it is largely grounded in spiritual ideas that flow between many religions. The idea is, confusingly enough, a Dualistic Monism. There is one primary Stuff, or Soulstuff- It is the most subtle thing in existence, and was said to be like a "Secret Fire", beyond plasma and energy in makeup. It is entirely intangible and makes up the Soul and God. This was the first stuff ever, known as Prima Materia by the ancients. This stuff corrupted and cooled into heavier, denser matter, the physical elements we know today, that makes up everything we see and touch. So, as we see here, there is both Soulstuff and Physical Material, but the physical matter is made up of condensed Soulstuff, so it's all the same. Thus, we have classical Dualism, with a secret Monism behind it.
The idea in alchemy is that since all things came from one primary stuff, then we should be able to change one thing into any other thing- Usually, the goal is poisonous, heavy lead to medicinal, light gold. This was known by the ancients and actually carried out by Nicholas Flamel and Isaac Newton, to name a few (though they don't really count as ancient). It has also been proven through nuclear transmutation fairly recently, that by bombarding particles, one can change the elemental makeup.
Thoughts? Ideas? Relevance to your religion?
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:55 am
That's interesting.
I don't think we give enough credit to the thinkers of our past. They knew a lot more than we give them credit for and it would be interesting to see how they would have developed if born in our time.
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:22 am
Very relevant to my particular tradition. Part of the goal of gnosticism is dropping treasures and removing fig leaves so one can fit through the eye of the needle and one be exposed to the world. The process changes one into a person in the world but not of it.
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:15 pm
rmcdra Very relevant to my particular tradition. Part of the goal of gnosticism is dropping treasures and removing fig leaves so one can fit through the eye of the needle and one be exposed to the world. The process changes one into a person in the world but not of it. Gnostics dealt in alchemy, as alchemy is a gnostic tradition. It is kept secret- The path to enlightenment is a personal journey, you can't expect to flip through a field guide and suddenly understand the subtle forces of the universe.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:01 pm
divineseraph While it's not exactly a religion on it's own, it is largely grounded in spiritual ideas that flow between many religions. The idea is, confusingly enough, a Dualistic Monism. There is one primary Stuff, or Soulstuff- It is the most subtle thing in existence, and was said to be like a "Secret Fire", beyond plasma and energy in makeup. It is entirely intangible and makes up the Soul and God. This was the first stuff ever, known as Prima Materia by the ancients. This stuff corrupted and cooled into heavier, denser matter, the physical elements we know today, that makes up everything we see and touch. So, as we see here, there is both Soulstuff and Physical Material, but the physical matter is made up of condensed Soulstuff, so it's all the same. Thus, we have classical Dualism, with a secret Monism behind it. The idea in alchemy is that since all things came from one primary stuff, then we should be able to change one thing into any other thing- Usually, the goal is poisonous, heavy lead to medicinal, light gold. This was known by the ancients and actually carried out by Nicholas Flamel and Isaac Newton, to name a few (though they don't really count as ancient). It has also been proven through nuclear transmutation fairly recently, that by bombarding particles, one can change the elemental makeup. Thoughts? Ideas? Relevance to your religion? Alchemy's use is in psycho-spiritual transformation, not physical transformation - 'base metal into gold' is a metaphor for enlightenment, turning mundane consciousness to the divine state. divineseraph Very relevant to my particular tradition. Part of the goal of gnosticism is dropping treasures and removing fig leaves so one can fit through the eye of the needle and one be exposed to the world. The process changes one into a person in the world but not of it.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:52 pm
Lucky~9~Lives divineseraph While it's not exactly a religion on it's own, it is largely grounded in spiritual ideas that flow between many religions. The idea is, confusingly enough, a Dualistic Monism. There is one primary Stuff, or Soulstuff- It is the most subtle thing in existence, and was said to be like a "Secret Fire", beyond plasma and energy in makeup. It is entirely intangible and makes up the Soul and God. This was the first stuff ever, known as Prima Materia by the ancients. This stuff corrupted and cooled into heavier, denser matter, the physical elements we know today, that makes up everything we see and touch. So, as we see here, there is both Soulstuff and Physical Material, but the physical matter is made up of condensed Soulstuff, so it's all the same. Thus, we have classical Dualism, with a secret Monism behind it. The idea in alchemy is that since all things came from one primary stuff, then we should be able to change one thing into any other thing- Usually, the goal is poisonous, heavy lead to medicinal, light gold. This was known by the ancients and actually carried out by Nicholas Flamel and Isaac Newton, to name a few (though they don't really count as ancient). It has also been proven through nuclear transmutation fairly recently, that by bombarding particles, one can change the elemental makeup. Thoughts? Ideas? Relevance to your religion? Alchemy's use is in psycho-spiritual transformation, not physical transformation - 'base metal into gold' is a metaphor for enlightenment, turning mundane consciousness to the divine state. divineseraph Very relevant to my particular tradition. Part of the goal of gnosticism is dropping treasures and removing fig leaves so one can fit through the eye of the needle and one be exposed to the world. The process changes one into a person in the world but not of it. As above, so below. Meaning, it works on all levels. It is spiritual transformation and physical. The physical alchemy is important because it shows us how the universe works- something which is important, since we live in the universe and it surrounds us. The psychological is important because it refines our souls so we can better understand the meaning of the physical and use it for good.
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:17 am
divineseraph rmcdra Very relevant to my particular tradition. Part of the goal of gnosticism is dropping treasures and removing fig leaves so one can fit through the eye of the needle and one be exposed to the world. The process changes one into a person in the world but not of it. Gnostics dealt in alchemy, as alchemy is a gnostic tradition. It is kept secret- The path to enlightenment is a personal journey, you can't expect to flip through a field guide and suddenly understand the subtle forces of the universe. Yeah one of the big things I've learned so far is what it means to see the Light and that it's just not a metaphor. I am coming to understand what it means that same Light exposes all that hides in Darkness. Trying to shape the soul to see the Spirit is quite difficult and also quite dangerous because some things about our souls we just aren't ready to see yet. You are literally forced to see that something external that you hate is actually something internal about yourself that you cherish. I think that is part of the reason why it was kept secret, especially since each "field manual" tended to be very individualized.
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:28 am
divineseraph Lucky~9~Lives divineseraph While it's not exactly a religion on it's own, it is largely grounded in spiritual ideas that flow between many religions. The idea is, confusingly enough, a Dualistic Monism. There is one primary Stuff, or Soulstuff- It is the most subtle thing in existence, and was said to be like a "Secret Fire", beyond plasma and energy in makeup. It is entirely intangible and makes up the Soul and God. This was the first stuff ever, known as Prima Materia by the ancients. This stuff corrupted and cooled into heavier, denser matter, the physical elements we know today, that makes up everything we see and touch. So, as we see here, there is both Soulstuff and Physical Material, but the physical matter is made up of condensed Soulstuff, so it's all the same. Thus, we have classical Dualism, with a secret Monism behind it. The idea in alchemy is that since all things came from one primary stuff, then we should be able to change one thing into any other thing- Usually, the goal is poisonous, heavy lead to medicinal, light gold. This was known by the ancients and actually carried out by Nicholas Flamel and Isaac Newton, to name a few (though they don't really count as ancient). It has also been proven through nuclear transmutation fairly recently, that by bombarding particles, one can change the elemental makeup. Thoughts? Ideas? Relevance to your religion? Alchemy's use is in psycho-spiritual transformation, not physical transformation - 'base metal into gold' is a metaphor for enlightenment, turning mundane consciousness to the divine state. divineseraph Very relevant to my particular tradition. Part of the goal of gnosticism is dropping treasures and removing fig leaves so one can fit through the eye of the needle and one be exposed to the world. The process changes one into a person in the world but not of it. As above, so below. Meaning... Subconscious affects conscious and vice versa. divineseraph The physical alchemy is important because it shows us how the universe works- something which is important, since we live in the universe and it surrounds us. That's why science was developed.
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:50 pm
Lucky~9~Lives divineseraph Lucky~9~Lives divineseraph While it's not exactly a religion on it's own, it is largely grounded in spiritual ideas that flow between many religions. The idea is, confusingly enough, a Dualistic Monism. There is one primary Stuff, or Soulstuff- It is the most subtle thing in existence, and was said to be like a "Secret Fire", beyond plasma and energy in makeup. It is entirely intangible and makes up the Soul and God. This was the first stuff ever, known as Prima Materia by the ancients. This stuff corrupted and cooled into heavier, denser matter, the physical elements we know today, that makes up everything we see and touch. So, as we see here, there is both Soulstuff and Physical Material, but the physical matter is made up of condensed Soulstuff, so it's all the same. Thus, we have classical Dualism, with a secret Monism behind it. The idea in alchemy is that since all things came from one primary stuff, then we should be able to change one thing into any other thing- Usually, the goal is poisonous, heavy lead to medicinal, light gold. This was known by the ancients and actually carried out by Nicholas Flamel and Isaac Newton, to name a few (though they don't really count as ancient). It has also been proven through nuclear transmutation fairly recently, that by bombarding particles, one can change the elemental makeup. Thoughts? Ideas? Relevance to your religion? Alchemy's use is in psycho-spiritual transformation, not physical transformation - 'base metal into gold' is a metaphor for enlightenment, turning mundane consciousness to the divine state. divineseraph Very relevant to my particular tradition. Part of the goal of gnosticism is dropping treasures and removing fig leaves so one can fit through the eye of the needle and one be exposed to the world. The process changes one into a person in the world but not of it. As above, so below. Meaning... Subconscious affects conscious and vice versa. divineseraph The physical alchemy is important because it shows us how the universe works- something which is important, since we live in the universe and it surrounds us. That's why science was developed. And physical. All things are one thing. This said, knowing the soul means knowing secrets to the physical world. Knowing the physical world, therefore, give us hints to the spiritual world by association. And no, this isn't quite the case. Chymistry came from Alchemy in an era where many "alchemists" were gold-seekers, trying only hotter and hotter fires to produce gold from lead. They were known as "Puffers" as they constantly puffed air into their furnaces to make more heat for a transmutation. Technically, they had the right idea, as shown through nuclear transmutation- throw enough energy at particles and you can shift their structure. However, their brash way of doing it and lack of technology gave them nothing. Chemistry is Alchemy without the soul and without the spirit. It denounces the essence of alchemy and assumes that a physical copy or chemical equivalent is the same as a natural sample. This, as we are finding through our half-poison medicines and failure in modern metallurgy, is not the case.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:42 pm
divineseraph Chemistry is Alchemy without the soul and without the spirit. Chemistry is external Alchemy - the study of the transformation of physio-spiritual existence outside ourselves. Alchemy is the transformation of ourselves.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:38 am
God, No. Come on. Seriously?
No, it's not. Chemistry is strictly scientific. Alchemy includes spirituality and Kabbalah.
Alchemy INCLUDES personal transformation but is not strictly defined as that and only that. It also includes physical understanding, optics, philosophy, prayer. The goal is to change the self, but this is done through a myriad of equally viable and important processes.
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:41 am
divineseraph Alchemy INCLUDES personal transformation but is not strictly defined as that and only that. It also includes physical understanding, optics, philosophy, prayer. The goal is to change the self, but this is done through a myriad of equally viable and important processes. Oh, I agree with that.
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:24 pm
I don't know about alchemy except it's in one of my fav. manga, FMA, and everything from there. Alchemy is about equal exchange. Alchemy defeys God because it makes the Alchemist a creator in a sense. God is the only Creator.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:27 am
Senpai Fluffy I don't know about alchemy except it's in one of my fav. manga, FMA, and everything from there. Alchemy is about equal exchange. Alchemy defeys God because it makes the Alchemist a creator in a sense. God is the only Creator.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:37 am
Senpai Fluffy I don't know about alchemy except it's in one of my fav. manga, FMA, and everything from there. Quote: Alchemy is about equal exchange. No it's not. Quote: Alchemy defeys God because it makes the Alchemist a creator in a sense. So does sex, construction projects, Sims,... Do I really need to continue? In my religion God and Creator are different beings.
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