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 Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:27 pm
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:02 am
Seltzer Cole Try to look at it like this. We live within the physical realm. Made up of solids/liquids/etc... It's suprising how many things have an "opposite" just like god/satan and jesus/anti-christ. So if there is a physical realm than there must be an astral realm. Realm just means the opposite of our physical plane. Except the physical realm is empirical, whereas God/Satan, Jesus/Antichrist are metaphors - the whole concept of 'opposite' is subjective, because it requires a mind to make the comparative judgment.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:46 pm
lol. I kinda like your reasoning. I've heard stories of young children that remember a past life, even have a friend that does. She died in her last life at the age of 18 from a drug overdose. I've also heard tales of seeing angels. This astral plane idea supports my own theories...But then again, so does Summerland, the place some Wiccans believe the spirit waits before being reincarnated. Trying to imagine your astral plane is like trying to picture an inverted sphere though. lol.
As for ghosts and such, do you suppose it's possible that death is a portal to other worlds? Some lie just on the other side of a barrier that's as thick as a leaf (such as this realm where spirits wander perhaps), some could be far removed, and our actions in life determine which realm the portal called Death takes us. But that's just another of those many ideas or beliefs.
Heck, the ghosts we see could actually be spirits rotting in their own personal hell for all we know, forced to walk in our world for eternity with no Savior to guide them to where they belong or a spiritual death to end their misery...
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:22 am
Kreazdor I've heard stories of young children that remember a past life, even have a friend that does. For some reason, especially in pre-K... I alwasy used to think that I was born in the 1800s, I think it was 1882, even though I was born in 1991. For some reason, I would never give that up. And later on through life, I've had times where it felt like I had memories of a life different from my own... It all happened when I was very young. It hasn't happened in years. But I always wonder about that to be honest.
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:28 am
Lucky~9~Lives Seltzer Cole Try to look at it like this. We live within the physical realm. Made up of solids/liquids/etc... It's suprising how many things have an "opposite" just like god/satan and jesus/anti-christ. So if there is a physical realm than there must be an astral realm. Realm just means the opposite of our physical plane. Except the physical realm is empirical, whereas God/Satan, Jesus/Antichrist are metaphors - the whole concept of 'opposite' is subjective, because it requires a mind to make the comparative judgment. I respectfully disagree. Many so called "opposites" are subjective, this is true. Oposites such as fire/water, earth/air, good/evil, etr. However, there are some opposites that are by their very nature opposite and would continue to be so even if there was no mind or exterior being to observe them. Example: Positive and negative polls on a magnet. A magnet's polls would still continue to be opposite to one another even if there was no observer to say that it was so.
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:54 pm
Seltzer Cole I'll be straight forward. There are so many 'options' to pick from religion-wise that I just don't know what to believe anymore. A lot of people live there lives with whatever religion they were born into.
Does this mean they never really had a choice because they were brainwashed since birth?
From what i've pieced together since I was a child is a bit complicated. I will start by saying I was born into christianity. When I reached middle school I was already a none believer. This happens to most people who never experience a 'miracle' or a 'sign'. It feels as if you believe in nothing.
With this said...I began to experiment with several things I probably shouldn't have. I'll go ahead and explain the outcome and then explain my reasons for why that is my theory. After all it is just a "theory" not something I truly believe.
Try to look at it like this. We live within the physical realm. Made up of solids/liquids/etc... It's suprising how many things have an "opposite" just like god/satan and jesus/anti-christ. So if there is a physical realm than there must be an astral realm. Realm just means the opposite of our physical plane.
So when we die our spirits go on the this astral plane or "realm". There they exist along side other spirits. Now don't try to imagine the astral plane as you do earth. On the astral plane there is nothing physical at all. You couldn't comprehend it because you don't exist there yet.
So basically when you die you end up there. And when you die or expire there you end up here. Almost like a never ending cycle.
Sometimes spirits don't quite make it there or the two realms overlap and this is where we get the paranormal such as ghosts...etc...
Why do I theorize this? You might of heard of astral projection. Or possession or anything like that. Astral projection is simply the ability to raise your spirit from your body. Also in other religions people believe in things such as "demons" or some kind of evil entity or even good entities. They all exist on the astral plane. Simply ghosts.
By no means am I trying to convince anyone of what I believe. Hell I don't even know if any of this information is true lol. I simply came to this theory because I couldn't find any other way of explaining astral projection or "ghosts".
So yeah... This is pretty much "one" of the many possible religions I believe. As you might notice there is no "rules" or anything to follow by. It is simply a belief or theory, no guildelines.
I use to be christian so I tend to compare theories of mine against that. Nothing personal. Please feel free to comment. This. This this this this this a thousand times this. The only differences that I have are that: 1) I believe that mythological beings (elves, fairies, dragons, vampires, etc.) did exist and that their spirit can carry on to human hosts. 2) I also believe that the "gods" that were being referred as by the Greeks and such were aliens (far-fetched, I know, but that's my opinion).
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:13 pm
X_Torric_X 1) I believe that mythological beings (elves, fairies, dragons, vampires, etc.) did exist and that their spirit can carry on to human hosts. 2) I also believe that the "gods" that were being referred as by the Greeks and such were aliens (far-fetched, I know, but that's my opinion). Would you elaborate on why you believe these things?
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:13 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- X_Torric_X 1) I believe that mythological beings (elves, fairies, dragons, vampires, etc.) did exist and that their spirit can carry on to human hosts. 2) I also believe that the "gods" that were being referred as by the Greeks and such were aliens (far-fetched, I know, but that's my opinion). Would you elaborate on why you believe these things? 1) Because my inner spirit is an elf (well...was). 2) Because it's retarded to think that humans are the only form of intelligent life in the known galaxy.That, and what would you call a form of life that you could tell was superior to you? now, whether or not aliens refer to themselves as "gods", I don't honestly know. But I'd leave that option open.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:19 am
I've personally decided to make my own religion so that i can better understand myself and others and why we're all here. and its worked out pretty well so far.
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:34 am
Seltzer Cole Try to look at it like this. We live within the physical realm. Made up of solids/liquids/etc... It's suprising how many things have an "opposite" just like god/satan and jesus/anti-christ. So if there is a physical realm than there must be an astral realm. Realm just means the opposite of our physical plane. Calling it "the physical realm" already assumes that there is an "astral / spiritual / whatever realm". This sentence Quote: So if there is a physical realm than there must be an astral realm. really does nothing more than rephrase what you already assumed in the beginning by positing a "physical realm", which already assumes that there must be some other realm. So you're not really arguing for it in any kind of logical way, you just assume it. Not really much of a theory in any sense. To put it quite frankly, you just made a bunch of stuff up. razz
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 7:40 am
Why is it that we must have an opposite to the "physical" world? o.e
More importantly, why is it that you believe so much in the opposite of the "Physical world" without any other proof besides an assumption of everything having an opposite?
That's a pretty poor excuse my friend.
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:16 am
Actually, the whole dualistic approach to Christianity was introduced later. If you read the bible, it doesn't stress light and dark, good and evil, or even God and Satan as opposites in the way that people commonly think of them as opposites.
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:19 pm
brainnsoup Actually, the whole dualistic approach to Christianity was introduced later. If you read the bible, it doesn't stress light and dark, good and evil, or even God and Satan as opposites in the way that people commonly think of them as opposites. God and Satan are most certainly not opposites, God created Satan and actually cast him out of heaven, if they were opposites Satan would own half of heaven. Not everything has an opposite, if everything did, then is it the Nazi's fault for what they did, after all Hitler just happened to be the opposite of Mother Teresa. Justifying that everything has an opposite would be justifying every evil act because of every good act.
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:29 pm
I'm out of town and don't have my various books on me, all I've got is a copy of 'Lila'. Anyways once again I'm going to add an interesting quote somewhat on par with what you're talking about, although it concerns mainly differences in perception. Quote: The majority opposition to peyote reflected a cultural bias, the belief, unsupported by scientific or historical evidence, that "hallucinatory" is automatically bad. Since hallucinations are a form of insanity, the term "hallucinogen," is clearly pejorative. Like early descriptions of Buddhism as a "heathen" religion and Islam as "barbaric," it begs some metaphysical questions. The indians who use it as a part of their ceremony might with equal accuracy call it a "de-hallucinogen," since it's their claim that it removes the hallucinations of contemporary life and reveals the reality buried beneath them. There is actually some scientific support for this Indian point of view. Experiments have shown that spiders fed LSD do not wander around doing purposeless things as one might expect a "hallucination" would cause them to do, but instead spin an abnormally perfect, symmetrical web. That would support the "de-hallucinogen" thesis. I'll be the first to admit there's several problems with that. The first is that Robert Pirsig doesn't actually provide documentation to support his scientific evidence. He writes philosophy books in the format of novels without the bibliography to back it up. Most of what he writes looks a lot like speculation, if you want to know whether or not it's true you'll either have to find out through personal experience or do the research yourself. The second is the fact that "Lila" was published in 1991. I think he actually was writing this portion of the book back in the 80's. It's very possible subsequent research has overturned the results of the experiment he references. However I still think it's interesting to consider, especially since so much data that humans take in isn't necessarily empirical in nature and we are essentially 'limited' in our perception of reality by our senses. Optical illusions are an excellent example of how the senses can be deceiving. It's interesting to think in that temporarily re-wiring our brains and changing how data is processed, we begin to see reality differently and pick up different patterns. Does this essentially prove that there is an 'astral' or spiritual plane? Hard to say. Often people on hallucinogens will have extremely different experiences even though they are in the same environment at the same time. You can't put together any conclusive data with that type of inconsistency. It's still an interesting thought though.
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:41 pm
I believe in a spiritual plane, and that we can't really compare it to the earthly realm, but all the stuff about reincarnation seems off to me. I mean, in one of the main religions that believes in reincarnation, the whole point is to lose all desire and that everything will come to an end. I don't see why we would have such strong emotions if the point was to learn to let go of them.
I also don't like the idea of making up a religion, because it has no truth behind it. It's just someone trying to customize the world to their point of view, which really isn't going to go anywhere. The world has to be based around something more then the views of human beings.
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