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 Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:23 am
OK So I am a memeber of the Guild It's a girl thing. This guild is a great guild but some of the people in here are very rude and inconsiderate of other people's feelings.
Anyways...so there was a topic about abortion posted.
Well I put that I was against it and how it is wrong no matter the circumstances.
Then I got accused of not caring about the mothers who got raped and stds and all of that stuff.
So I just need some help and some advice on what I should do.
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:42 am
Well in the first place you are NOT the person being inconsiderate.
Abortion is wrong and life is something we humans should defend.
yes I have heard people say, " how will you feed all those children!" " those babies will not have a good life....etc etc.
In america there is no such thing as Starvation, secondly, how people know if the child will be happy or not?
in the end the babies life is out of the question, if the girl got raped then set him for adoption don't murder it. no one ever knows if that aborted baby could have done something great for society.
my advice to you is to simply defend your cause and let no one persuade you to their opinions.
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:26 pm
there are people saying they're pro-life, but it's fine to get an abortion if you were raped or something.
THAT MAKES YOU PRO-CHOICE.
PRO-LIFE MEANS NO ABORTION. PERIOD. YOU DO NOT GIVE A ******** IF THE GIRL WAS RAPED. THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH EXCRUCIATING LABOR BECAUSE YOU'RE PRO-LIFE AND YOU SAY SO.
Get that in your head.
EVERYONE IS PRO-CHOICE UNLESS YOU ANT TO MAKE SOME GIRL GO THROUGH ALL NINE MONTHS WITH SOME STRANGER'S SEED GROWING INSIDE OF HER AND MAKE HER GIVE BIRTH TO IT.
kthxbai
joe_is_my_hubby Wrote:
I am PROLIFE, but that is because another human being should not have to suffer for another person's stupid choice. RAPE is bad, but that does not mean that you have to kill a baby. There are other options, like adoption. I care that person was RAPED but they should not have an abortion.
broken_bleeding_angel Wrote:
So it's ok for her to suffer 9 months of carrying some b*****d's child? That's like saying, "Oh no, don't worry. Rape isn't all that bad, at least you get a baby that's really only half yours. Oh and don't worry about the STD's you could possibly have. It's all good because you have that glob growing in you. It doesn't matter that some strange guy came up and grabbed you, forced you down and raped the living s**t out of you. At least you weren't stabbed." *Smiles*
SERIOUSLY?! D:<
YOU ******** PEOPLE MAKE ME RAGE!!!!!!!
joe_is_my_hubby wrote:
I NEVER SAID THAT IT DIDN'T MATTER!!!!! I SAID THAT I DO CARE THAT PERSON WAS RAPED!!!! I just don't think that you should have an abortion. You will have to suffer from the pain of the abortion and the emotional stress from it. SO either way you are going to suffer.
broken_bleeding_angel Wrote:
I'd rather an abortion over a 9 month pregnancy and the painful process of giving birth k thanks. Plus I don't want to ruin my perfect figure over some brat that I'm not even going to keep.
joe_is_my_hubby wrote:
So you would kill an innocent being that has done nothing to you because you don't want to ruin your figure? That is selfish. My mom has had 11 kids and she has an hour glass shape.
That is how the conversation has gone so far. Thank you for your advice it was helpful.
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:37 pm
I may have got the usernames switched up, but Im pretty sure you can guess the general topic. Oh and I apoloagize for the lanuguage. It is just what the other user, used. xp
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:14 pm
here are the facts, mothers who die from giving birth to their child is pretty much non existent in the USA, but most woman who have abortion go threw complications of some kind, and a good chunk of them develop serious infections and some even die, you can find out much more on the physical and mental trauma from abortion here - http://www.abortionfacts.com/effects/effects.aspwoman may think they will feel better if they kill their child who was conceived by rape, but the truth is abortion won't change anything, the only thing you are doing is trying to kill a child who did nothing wrong, who's just as much a victim as you are, inasmuch and they were not given a choice, they had death forced upon them, just as you had sex forced upon you... so what makes a child conceived on purpose any more special than a child convinced unwillingly? or someone might say(as they usually do) "well what if the rapist did drugs and the child will be retarded or deformed" so you are willing to kill a perfectly healthy or happy child just so you don't risk having a disabled one? i'll tell you what, the most happy and kind and loving children i've ever met, are the ones who are disabled, retarded, and most of all, down syndrome, you will not meet happier or more loving people on this planet, well, i can give you just about any argument you want on abortion, i've talked so much about it i think i've heard just about everything, but the main deciding factor i think in all of this is just whether you have faith in God or not, and if not, then sometimes there's nothing you can do but pray...but i'm sure that abortion facts site will open up a few eyes if they are willing, here's another good article on defending life - http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=13036527ok, hope this helps, tc
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:43 pm
...I don't like children and if I were in a situation where you guys were trying to force me to keep the child alive, I'm afraid I would get an abortion regardless. Even if it was an unqualified docter illegally. Is that horribly wrong of me to say?
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:35 pm
It's worst aborting the child to the woman than the rape with most cases. Yes, it is the child of a man who hurt you and did that but that baby still has a life. God controls if we get prego. And sometime it can really mess up your insides. My teacher's frienc who came to talk to my class said she aborated three children before she was married and wanted children. She couldn't give birth anymore now due to it. She said she would regret it until the day that she died. She had three children and will never know how she or he would have been like or how they would have looked.
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:09 am
People who call themselves pro-life but support the abortion in the case of rape really bother me. The whole philosophy of being pro-life has to do with believing that life is the most basic right that should be afforded to all human beings. (For this reason, I'm also annoyed with people who call themselves pro-life and support capital punishment, but that's another rant.) What makes a child conceived by rape any less deserving of the basic right to be alive?
People who only support abortion in the case of rape are generally more concerned with punishing women for having sex than they are genuinely concerned about the rights of the feotus. In their eyes, a woman who gets pregnant by means of consensual sex should have to go through pregnancy and childbirth whether she wants to or not because she needs to "take responsibility for her actions." Her future child is nothing more than punishment for having the audacity to open her legs, whereas a woman who is raped should be allowed an abortion because she didn't chose to have sex, and therefore should not be punished for it.
And that really disgusts me. Don't call yourself pro-life if you view human children as nothing more than a punishment for sexual activity.
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:16 am
Archlight Seraphim In america there is no such thing as Starvation, First of all, I am going to ignoring the rest of this topic to address that quote:
What the ******** country do you live in?
Starvation exsists in America. Have you been to the Bronx? The lower socio-encomonic areas? My mom teachers at a school that is low socio-economic, a week ago one student fainted from mal-nutirion.
Why?
He can't eat. No food at home. And his mother won't let him get food at school because it costs too much. 2.15 costs too much. He fainted from hunger. What was that you were saying about starvation not exsisting?
Oh, and people do die from starvation here. No one cares, because they belong to the drug groups, or the lower socio-economic groups.
And don't say a drug addict deserves to die, because if a baby doesn't, neither to do that. Half these addicts get addicted because their mother was on the drug when they were in the womb.
So, no, it's not the babies fault. These people are addicted when they are born. And the only thing the mother cares about a fix.
And a lot of mother who don't want babies leave the baby in a dumpster. Or drown it. I have a friend in Vegas, recently she told me of a wman who had a baby in a bathroom stall, then proceeded to drown it in the toilet.
I think an abortion would have been better. At least the possibilty for the baby experiencing pain would have been considerably lessened.
yeah, the baby might have still felt pain, but it would have been lessened.
Okay, in the case of rape you shouldn't abort? How about you go get raped and pregnant and see if you want that baby.
What if you were raped by your FATHER. And you got pregnant. Do you really want that? What about when the hospital asks who the father is?
I'm not saying that, HEY! Let's all go get abortions!
If you feel that YOU can handle it. Good for you. That's really commendable. But what about the people who regress the rape? Suddenly they start swelling and they can't understand why. Because they regressing being raped as a way for their minds to protect themselves.
The only time there is emotional stress from an abortion is when the woman was raised in a society baised against it. A lot of women feel no emotional stress afterwards.
I'm going to hush now because I'm sure I'll get the living s**t crucified out of me for what I said.
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:28 pm
Morally I am against abortion. Unfortunately morality and reality sometimes conflict. If a world without abortion is feasible then I'd say go for it.
Here's where the problems come in. Sometimes the abortion is the most humane thing a woman can do. Chiefly because otherwise they'll be unable to support the child and quite frankly... child services is highly overrated so putting the kid up for adoption is not much better.
It's still a sin I know and that's why abortion is and always will be a difficult question. I kinda see it as the lesser of two evils. In many ways your choosing whether or not to let the child die painlessly, be born and then die horribly, or force it to live a life that's simply not worth living.
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:55 pm
thaskarin , or force it to live a life that's simply not worth living.
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:08 am
Sangre45 thaskarin , or force it to live a life that's simply not worth living. this. that's an amazing rebuttle. abortion is completely sad a disgusting, period. it isn't protecting the child in any way, and it interferes with God's plan. any child is GOD'S CHILD FIRST. no matter what. you aren't god, you don't get to choose whether or not the child is allowed to live. also note that everyone who is pro-choice has already been born, so it just doesn't make any sense. no, it's not merciful, it's killing God's child.
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:18 pm
Abortion = wrong
In all situations.
Let me put it this way, its something I created.
Lets say we are all numbers. Just say the number 2. That is our value. All humans are 2s. We come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. Blue, red, yellow, green, etc. All the twos have different ages as well. Some 2s are 5 yrs old, some 2s are 20 years old.
Suddenly, some twos decide the baby 2s inside a mother 2 aren't 'human', they aren't '2'. Suddenly, that value is scratched to 1, and even earlier, not even a value, they are deemed '0'. Abortion is basically this: An older 2 killing a very young 2.
Science defines us all by our genetic material. A bird has bird DNA. If there were a skeleton, we could take traces and find its DNA code to see what the organism was. Same with humans, we have genetic code. SO DO BABIES. If you were to take genetic code from a baby in the womb, you would discover, its not FETUS DNA, but HUMMMAAANNN DNA.
Yet, science calls it a fetus.
So, do tell me, what magical stuff happens that changes its DNA? Between, womb living and the time it takes to be born, was happens to their DNA to make them HUMAN?
I say, NOTHING.
They are human all along. Abortion is a human killing another human, just a small one.
My Aunt and Uncle wanted kids. They had one, then a couple years later my aunt got uteran cancer. They thought about adopting. They went to the agency, and guess what they discovered? A 10 year long waiting line for adopting babies.
Whoever said that adoption is a bad way to go is WRONG. Babies get adopted quickly.
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:00 pm
joe_is_my_hubby there are people saying they're pro-life, but it's fine to get an abortion if you were raped or something. THAT MAKES YOU PRO-CHOICE. PRO-LIFE MEANS NO ABORTION. PERIOD. YOU DO NOT GIVE A ******** IF THE GIRL WAS RAPED. THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH EXCRUCIATING LABOR BECAUSE YOU'RE PRO-LIFE AND YOU SAY SO. Get that in your head. EVERYONE IS PRO-CHOICE UNLESS YOU ANT TO MAKE SOME GIRL GO THROUGH ALL NINE MONTHS WITH SOME STRANGER'S SEED GROWING INSIDE OF HER AND MAKE HER GIVE BIRTH TO IT. kthxbai That's a red herring, it's an appeal to emotion without any substance to it. It doesn't warrant a response. Quote: broken_bleeding_angel Wrote: So it's ok for her to suffer 9 months of carrying some b*****d's child? That's like saying, "Oh no, don't worry. Rape isn't all that bad, at least you get a baby that's really only half yours. Oh and don't worry about the STD's you could possibly have. It's all good because you have that glob growing in you. It doesn't matter that some strange guy came up and grabbed you, forced you down and raped the living s**t out of you. At least you weren't stabbed." *Smiles* SERIOUSLY?! D:< YOU ******** PEOPLE MAKE ME RAGE!!!!!!! Same thing only the individual is ranting even more and making assumptions that are unsubstantiated. It doesn't warrant a response. Quote: broken_bleeding_angel Wrote: I'd rather an abortion over a 9 month pregnancy and the painful process of giving birth k thanks. Plus I don't want to ruin my perfect figure over some brat that I'm not even going to keep. That's supposition, it falls hard and fast in a court of law but anyways, it doesn't justify ending a developing human life. Quote: That is how the conversation has gone so far. Thank you for your advice it was helpful. To be honest with you I probably would have ignored the individual you were having a "discussion" with but the best way to deal with "discussions" like that is to recognize the trap and not fall into it. The entire argument of the other individual was based on one logical fallacy after another. It was basically too irrational to even try to respond too.
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:50 pm
Okay, so the subject is very common. Is it wrong to have an abortion? It is wrong to have a child murdered, yes. Us as Catholic strongly defends life's. But here's one question, what if the mother can't handle the birth and would die? Then that's when the decision of keeping the baby, or the mother would be forgiven. Several times it's been asked to my teacher in C.C.D., and he is absolutely correct.
Now, when the girl is raped then it's her decision weather she wants the baby or not. But that does not mean to murder the baby. Another opinion would be adoption. Some people have different perspectives on the subject, but this is what I believe.
So, I believe if you think abortion is wrong, it's your opinion. Stand by it. Like I said others have different points of view.
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