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 Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:38 pm
Religion/Science who is right and who is wrong.
For me I see the good and bad of both.. It might be becuse I'm not that knowlegable in both subjects but either way. here is my idea on the matter.
For the most part I do lean towards Science in only by fault that it proves straight logical evidence. now some would argue that the bible is evidence. except to the fact that thier are so many versions of it and was written by man. also thier are too many religions out thier to know the right one.(pretty much a game of chance) but this dosn't mean Science is the answer. No body said that life is fair or logical and Death dosn't look promising either. for the most part it would be kinda boring if we humans knew everying in the universe. Also the thought that we have only one chance of existence is deppresing on a deep level.(considering how well we are treating the planet and all of its creatures. cough cough oil spil)
I really do hope thier is a God that finnaily decides to step in and Prove of its exsist to either save or destroy us because so far its looks like we are creeping toward our self destruction.
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:45 pm
This pickled vegetable...Why can't they both be right? Science isn't a belief system, its a method of determining things. ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:59 pm
Renkon Root This pickled vegetable...Why can't they both be right? Science isn't a belief system, its a method of determining things. ... could kick your a** !! I now Science isn't a belief for me it's the idea that human beings can solve all of the mystious of our universe for me that makes are existence all that small and leaves no room for the unkown
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:30 pm
Religion and science do not conflict because they deal with different types of knowledge (science handles empirical and religion handles experiential) and processes them in different ways.
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:36 pm
rmcdra Religion and science do not conflict because they deal with different types of knowledge (science handles empirical and religion handles experiential) and processes them in different ways. ok then why does science tend to try to discredit god so much. they don't agree with each other. they try both to make it so they only have the right anwser
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:40 pm
I think that Science and Religion go best when put together. Humanity turns to both in order to try to deepen understanding.
As to looking to religious texts as scientific and historical absolutes, it really just shouldn't be done. One thing that those text do inspire is humanity's imagination on what might be possible, and it inspires us to investigate. Most of the questions that Science has proven or disproved have been questions inspired by religious beliefs.
Religion inspires us to become better, Science provides us with the means.
If you are concerned about which religious text is "the right one", then maybe you should consider a new way of thinking. Maybe all are "right", to an extent. Most of them have common basic elements. You might also look into the predecessor of the Abramic religions and the influences shown in almost all other world religions.
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:45 pm
It's not that they both fight one another, it is just that they are both different. Science is just written down evidence of what is our universe. Religion is belief in higher powers or ideas that which may defy the laws of science.
(Example: Matter can't be made nor destroy)
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:50 pm
bluewolfxx rmcdra Religion and science do not conflict because they deal with different types of knowledge (science handles empirical and religion handles experiential) and processes them in different ways. ok then why does science tend to try to discredit god so much. they don't agree with each other. they try both to make it so they only have the right anwser Science itself doesn't TRY to disprove anything. Certain biased scientists will try, but there are other biased scientists who try to use Science to prove religious beliefs. Faith is the belief in things unproven, Science is the attempt to prove beliefs. They are different concepts, and they can live in harmony in a person's mind if they are open to possibilities. Think about the Big Bang. Scientists who want to disprove religion will point to it and say, "Here is proof there is no god." A person of Faith will say, "We have a glimpse of what it was like the moment God spoke the universe into existence!" There are also those who are so headstrong in their belief, that they refuse to believe anything that Science proves as actual fact.
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:53 pm
bluewolfxx rmcdra Religion and science do not conflict because they deal with different types of knowledge (science handles empirical and religion handles experiential) and processes them in different ways. ok then why does science tend to try to discredit god so much. they don't agree with each other. they try both to make it so they only have the right anwser Science is incapable of dealing with deities because they are non-falsifiable and outside the realm of empiricism. Though Dawkins and a few other atheist try to claim that God is a testable hypothesis, we currently lack the means to empirically test this hypothesis, thus fails at being within the realm of science. Very few religions, such as Christianity and Islam claim to only to be the truth and even then it is mostly fringe extremists and literalists within those religions that claim that science is wrong and in conflict with religious teachings of the mentioned religions.
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:11 pm
Eltanin Sadachbia Science itself doesn't TRY to disprove anything. Certain biased scientists will try, but there are other biased scientists who try to use Science to prove religious beliefs. Actually it is the point of science to disprove hypothesi(sp?). By disproving hypothesi you rule out explanations that are not feasible. But even then the only thing that can be tested are things that are empirical and falsifiable. Quote: Faith is the belief in things unproven, Science is the attempt to prove beliefs. They are different concepts, and they can live in harmony in a person's mind if they are open to possibilities. Faith from a religious standpoint has to do with trusting the evidence and experiences presented to be consistent and to support the teachings of said religion. The concept of religious faith being belief in things unproven is a relatively new concept and unfortunately seems to be a propaganda stance by Biblical literalists. And again science disproves stuff and even the conclusions derived at are not immune to scrutiny and testing. If one is using science to prove rather than disprove rivaling hypothesis, the scientist is as risk of creating a confirmation bias. Quote: Think about the Big Bang. Scientists who want to disprove religion will point to it and say, "Here is proof there is no god." A person of Faith will say, "We have a glimpse of what it was like the moment God spoke the universe into existence!" There are also those who are so headstrong in their belief, that they refuse to believe anything that Science proves as actual fact. You know what's funny is that the Big Bang was hotly debated when it first came about because it seemed too implausible and too Christian in it's conception (it was initially formulated by a Catholic Priest after all).
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:42 am
Why can't they be synonymous?
For example, Deism believes that a God figure formed the universe by means that science discovers it. Buddhists don't even believe in a God. How about Scientologists (oh dear)? They don't believe in a God figure either. In the end, all of these religions have a scientific rationality for the existence of man and the universe. What is all boils down to in difference is what will happen when we die and where we get our morality from.
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:44 pm
Science has made advances that save countless lives-yes it destroys too through technology like nuclear weapons and such, but how many died in God's name in wars such as the crusades? How many have been persecuted, tortured, imprisoned, excommunicated, or abandoned because of religion? The extremes of God/religion and science have both good and bad. Why does either of them have to be good or bad?
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:20 am
Old Man Ryver In the end, all of these religions have a scientific rationality for the existence of man and the universe. They do? I don't get it, how is god creating everything "scientific"? I don't see what buddhism or scientology have to do with science either.
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:24 am
Artto Old Man Ryver In the end, all of these religions have a scientific rationality for the existence of man and the universe. They do? I don't get it, how is god creating everything "scientific"? I don't see what buddhism or scientology have to do with science either. Far as I knew religion was entirely faith-based while science was entirely fact-based...
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:47 pm
Vagabond8 Artto Old Man Ryver In the end, all of these religions have a scientific rationality for the existence of man and the universe. They do? I don't get it, how is god creating everything "scientific"? I don't see what buddhism or scientology have to do with science either. Far as I knew religion was entirely faith-based while science was entirely fact-based...
In Islam, we aren't allowed to have blind faith because then your beliefs are based on something you do not know is true. An example: Let's say you know some person. This person has exhibited trustworthy attributes & has shown no signs of being dishonest in any situation you have put them through (keep in mind that I am not referring to a real human being, I'm just using a person as an example). You therefore have faith, in other words you trust, that this person will not lie to you nor will they let you down.
It's the prophesies & the uprightness of prophets that give people faith.
Answering the first question, I do not believe that science & religion have to conflict. Nothing that has been completely scientifically proven conflicts with Islam. That only increases my iman (faith).
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