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xxTaylorLautnerGirlxx

PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:07 am


I defiantely believe in Adam and Eve. Evolution is scientifically prooven to be a fact. Don't tell me it's just a ploy agaisnt religon. No, it's PROOVEN.How can I combine evolution and Adam and Eve while still believing in both?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:41 pm


evolution is not proven, it is something we have never seen and therefore is reason based not proof based, and you have absolutely no obligation to believe in it.

of course society wants us to believe in evolution, and the church does not condemn it exactly(although sort of), but nevertheless it is not fact, it is theory, and a belief grounded by faith.

if you want to learn the truth about evolution, read these -
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/evolution/evol.htm
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed59.html
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/evolution/theistic.htm

and really, to believe in evolution means disregarding every time the bible says the word creation in regards to man, because the actual definition of creation is - "to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes."

i do have alot more to say on this subject, but i will wait till you check those articles out.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:28 pm


if evolution is real, why is thier still monkeys? and you cant belive in evolution and god, you just cant
PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:19 pm


EmeraldWings
evolution is not proven, it is something we have never seen and therefore is reason based not proof based, and you have absolutely no obligation to believe in it.

of course society wants us to believe in evolution, and the church does not condemn it exactly(although sort of), but nevertheless it is not fact, it is theory, and a belief grounded by faith.

if you want to learn the truth about evolution, read these -
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/evolution/evol.htm
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed59.html
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/evolution/theistic.htm

and really, to believe in evolution means disregarding every time the bible says the word creation in regards to man, because the actual definition of creation is - "to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes."

i do have alot more to say on this subject, but i will wait till you check those articles out.


thank you. That helps alot it really does. Especially the articles helped most.

xxTaylorLautnerGirlxx


xxTaylorLautnerGirlxx

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:21 pm


buffer920
if evolution is real, why is thier still monkeys? and you cant belive in evolution and god, you just cant


I was always told to believe in both but I didnt think that was resonable so thats why im going to ask about it. Someone once told me "Adam and Eve evolved from monkeys" I told that person she was crazy lol. I only think evolution is real because I have learned and studied it in biology class, thats why I brought the point up. I can study and learn something for a test, but when I go to church its all a lie, thats what I was confused about. Thank you thought(:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:48 pm


I think you definitely can believe in both, the micro-evolution part at least. Just remember, true religion and true science cannot conflict since they are both from God. Science is meant to work in conjunction with the Church, not against it. The two are meant to be in harmony.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:36 am


The way it needs to be viewed it that like many things look to the world around you. I go into a God that has way more power to show, that there was a plan for you and I to end up the way we are now. That is truly a greater being. Also going all the way back to Pope Puis 12 "There is too much fact in evolution not to believe in it."
PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:06 am


The Catholic Church actually doesn't have a problem with the Theory of evolution, I beleive John Paul the II said something in an encyclical (not sure which one pls go look it up) The point that the Church makes is that at one point in the process is that God gave this unique creation the soul which separates man form animal. another point is God could have used any means in creation (the point of the book of Genesis is that God created everything and separated humanity with the soul "God's breath" and eventually Human kind disobeyed God "original sin")

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:03 pm


Princess Serikiyo
I think you definitely can believe in both, the micro-evolution part at least. Just remember, true religion and true science cannot conflict since they are both from God. Science is meant to work in conjunction with the Church, not against it. The two are meant to be in harmony.
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I will say, though, even scientists would disagree that evolution is a proven fact. Very, very few things are proven facts in science. Evolution is a theory, which a lot of anti-evolution folks try to use to discredit it, but they fail to understand that in the scientific world, a theory isn't just a random idea some guy schemed up with little or no evidence. A scientific theory is something that has a great deal of evidence that has been observed, challenged, and reviewed. Gravity is a theory we can observe pretty clearly every day, and yes, it's still the theory of gravity, not the fact of gravity.

Evolution is something that has been extensively observed, challenged, and subjected to review. The evidence supporting it is pretty convincing, and I see no reason why one has to turn a blind eye to the mountain of evidence supporting it if they want to believe in God. Science, including evolution, looks to explain the how. Religion deals with the why. Evolution has been observed. Great! There's no reason that God has to be taken out of the equation. Personally, I believe in evolution, and I believe that God simply controlled the process. As far as I'm aware, the Catholic Church does not condemn the theory of evolution.

I don't understand why so many people feel that their faith is threatened by science. To me, science is just man's way of making sense of the wonders of God's creations. If anything, science honours God by seeking to better understand His work.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:20 pm


buffer920
if evolution is real, why is thier still monkeys? and you cant belive in evolution and god, you just cant
The evolution of humankind is a little more complicated than "we came from monkeys."

Monkeys still exist because there are many different kinds of monkeys, most of which are extremely far removed from the chain of human evolution.

It's not as if back in the day, there was just the one kind of monkey in existence in the whole world, and that singular species of monkey eventually evolved into homo sapiens. There are, and for quite some time have been, many different species of primates, and just because one of them evolved into homo sapien, that doesn't mean the rest of them just poof out of existence.

In my experience, most people who disagree with evolution don't really understand evolution. Heck, I won't pretend to be an expert myself, but I at least try to have an accurate, if sometimes somewhat basic grasp of a concept before deciding belief or disbelief in it.

I believe in God and evolution. I assure you, it's quite possible. lol

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:31 pm


EmeraldWings
and really, to believe in evolution means disregarding every time the bible says the word creation in regards to man, because the actual definition of creation is - "to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes."
That seems to really be grasping at semantic straws to me.

I dabble in music composition. My compositions could be called musical creations, as they were deliberately brought into being by a creator (in this case, yours truly). However, I don't just sneeze onto manuscript paper and magically have a piece of music. I create it one note at a time, each note having to logically follow the one before it and fit properly within my chosen chords, sequences, cadences, etc. It is created intentionally and deliberately, but each note is influenced by what has come before it, and what I plan to put ahead of it.

I'm not trying to literally compare myself to God, obviously, just make the point that creation doesn't have to exist in a vaccuum. It can build off of what has come before it, and prepare for what may come in the future, all in accordance with one greater plan and controlled by a creator.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:53 pm


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EmeraldWings
and really, to believe in evolution means disregarding every time the bible says the word creation in regards to man, because the actual definition of creation is - "to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes."
That seems to really be grasping at semantic straws to me.

I dabble in music composition. My compositions could be called musical creations, as they were deliberately brought into being by a creator (in this case, yours truly). However, I don't just sneeze onto manuscript paper and magically have a piece of music. I create it one note at a time, each note having to logically follow the one before it and fit properly within my chosen chords, sequences, cadences, etc. It is created intentionally and deliberately, but each note is influenced by what has come before it, and what I plan to put ahead of it.

I'm not trying to literally compare myself to God, obviously, just make the point that creation doesn't have to exist in a vaccuum. It can build off of what has come before it, and prepare for what may come in the future, all in accordance with one greater plan and controlled by a creator.


despite what you believe, evolution is not a fact all the same, and the more i learn about it the less sense it makes, it is merely a faith based belief, no one has seen it happen, and therefore it takes just as much faith, even more actually, as it does to believe in God,
of course things evolve, there's no question about that, but just because evolution is real in one sense does not make it real in every sense, and perhaps if you read that article i posted(if you haven't already) then it might make less sense to you to.
of course this is really a matter of opinion and doesn't matter all that much to me, but at the same time i do feel strongly that God created man from nothing, and that was part of the miracle of creation.

but in my opinion, the only thing the evolution theory has done is made it easier to be atheist, otherwise it hasn't helped much in any other way, and it matters very little whether you believe it or not.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:08 pm


SinfulGuillotine

I will say, though, even scientists would disagree that evolution is a proven fact. Very, very few things are proven facts in science. Evolution is a theory, which a lot of anti-evolution folks try to use to discredit it, but they fail to understand that in the scientific world, a theory isn't just a random idea some guy schemed up with little or no evidence. A scientific theory is something that has a great deal of evidence that has been observed, challenged, and reviewed. Gravity is a theory we can observe pretty clearly every day, and yes, it's still the theory of gravity, not the fact of gravity.


Aww dang! I was going to write this exact same thing but then I got lazy and forgot to come back to it. lol blaugh
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:02 pm


Seems fitting I am listening to Slayer God Hates Us All.
Okay simple to buffer920 why are there still monkeys starting there, each of the primates in the world are part many of different families, like with other creatures on the earth each went down a certain path, follow? Next part hominid as in human beings also to evolve, I know interesting idea. Why would that happen, well we began to eat meat making the brain become larger entering into a new world. From the beginning. Monkeys started to evolve down a different path.

Really Emerald another article that has its bias right in the title.
So to Emerald I would like to ask what about all the fossil evidence starting from Australopithecus Anamensis to Modern Homo Sapiens Sapien? Are those put there by scientist to test our faith? I am confused as to what either of the articles you presented are trying to say either, not even entering into the stance of what the last four Popes have stated. So I am asking explain to me why after there is so much showing that it is at least possible? Why the distrust?

I have one final question, that is to all the all the people in this forum, would it not take a greater God to create beings that started off simply then over the years grew into great beings of wisdom and love?

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EmeraldWings

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:49 pm


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Seems fitting I am listening to Slayer God Hates Us All.
Okay simple to buffer920 why are there still monkeys starting there, each of the primates in the world are part many different families, like with other creatures on the earth each went down a certain path, follow? Next part hominid as in human beings also to evolve, I know interesting idea. Why would that happen, well we began to eat meat making the brain become larger entering into a new world. From the beginning. Monkeys started to evolve down a different path.

Really Emerald another article that has its bias right in the title.
So to Emerald I would like to ask what about all the fossil evidence starting from Australopithecus Anamensis to Modern Homo Sapiens Sapien? Are those put there by scientist to test our faith? I am confused as to what either of the articles you presented are trying to say either, not even entering into the stance of what the last four Popes have stated. So I am asking explain to me why after there is so much showing that it is at least possible? Why the distrust?

I have one final question, that is to all the all the people in this forum, would it not take a greater God to create beings that started off simply then over the years grew into great beings of wisdom and love?


biased? something is biased when it is unreasonable, that article gives many good reasons for what it states, someone is biased when they believe something in an irrational way.
just because someone believes wholeheartedly in something does not make them biased, and in this case, it's because they have studied, made a judgment on the matter, and decided they do not believe in evolution, is that wrong? of course not, and would you call them biased if they went the other way entirely?
being sure of yourself does not make you biased.

and what about these fossils they found? as if there's never been extinct animals before,
i've heard both sides, and the idea of evolution is just ridiculous to me, not to mention more and more scientists are coming out and saying that it's just not possible,
there are to many holes in the theory of evolution, it just doesn't add up,

but like i said before, i really don't care, this is not something of dire importance unless it's the reason someone doesn't believe in God...then i'd take it more seriously, not that i won't debate it, but what i mean is, i don't think it's a sin to believe in it, but i personally have my reasons not to.
i believe God created man from nothing, just as the bible says "from the slime of the earth"
even Blessed Ann Catherine Emmerich saw it the way the bible says, only in greater detail of course, and i believe very much in her visions, i believe in them because of the high sanctity and holiness of her life, the high degree of her virtues, and although she considered herself a wrenched and sinful creature, there are no known mortal sins that she has committed, and very few venial ones(ones we would hardly give any thought to)...anyways, before i get off subject talking about her life :3
that is what i believe...and i put my trust in Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich much more than i put it in a bunch of scientists whose names and lives i know nothing of...
and while i don't believe in evolution for human beings, i know there is evolution in other ways, such as germs, bugs, plants, but it happens in a different sense than what the theory of human evolution claims.

anyways, it's nothing to get upset over, and those articles are no more biased about it than i am, and maybe if you read through them entirely it might change your mind.
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