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 Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:02 pm
What's everyone think? Here's the three most legit sites on that stuff I've found:
sithimperialorder.wall.fm
templeofthejediorder.org
forceacademy.co.uk
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:15 am
I'm not trying to be disrespectful to any one that believes in this stuff, but is this for real??? Are these real religions???
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:13 am
Aspen 2010 I'm not trying to be disrespectful to any one that believes in this stuff, but is this for real??? Are these real religions??? Yeah. US Military will actually put at least Jedi on dog tags as that person's religion.
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:46 pm
They're recognized in much the same way as Wicca, Satanism, or others.
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:01 pm
Many people use it as a philosophy rather then a straight up religion, using much of it as symbolism and metaphor and tying it to various aspects of life and behavior. And of course, people don't think the events of the Star Wars universe are real, they just find value and meaning in the in the ideal espoused by the Jedi and Sith belief systems.
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:13 pm
Jediists and Sithists who actually practice do exist as well (hence those websites), and some do draw inspiration from the Star Wars Universe; it's when they start thinking that it's real that we get the obsessive nerd groups referred to as "roleplayers" amongst those who actually relate to this religions in a real-world sense.
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:03 am
Vagabond8 Jediists and Sithists who actually practice do exist as well (hence those websites), and some do draw inspiration from the Star Wars Universe; it's when they start thinking that it's real that we get the obsessive nerd groups referred to as "roleplayers" amongst those who actually relate to this religions in a real-world sense. I wasn't trying to imply that those who practice it as a religion don't exist. I was just mentioning that that's not the only way it is viewed. There's also a difference between role-players and people who can't tell the difference between reality and fiction.
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:59 am
Vagabond8 it's when they start thinking that it's real that we get the obsessive nerd groups referred to as "roleplayers" amongst those who actually relate to this religions in a real-world sense. As a roleplayer I find this highly offensive. For many reasons. First is that most people in any "obsessive nerd group" do not think its real if what fandom they follow is fiction. Second most roleplayers are able to tell the difference between reality and fantasy. But once a person hits the point where fantasy is reality then you can't really call them a roleplayer since they're delusional and are no longer "playing a role."
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:58 am
X-Yami-no-Ko-X Vagabond8 it's when they start thinking that it's real that we get the obsessive nerd groups referred to as "roleplayers" amongst those who actually relate to this religions in a real-world sense. As a roleplayer I find this highly offensive. For many reasons. First is that most people in any "obsessive nerd group" do not think its real if what fandom they follow is fiction. Second most roleplayers are able to tell the difference between reality and fantasy. But once a person hits the point where fantasy is reality then you can't really call them a roleplayer since they're delusional and are no longer "playing a role." Lol I meant no offense. Personally I think they are just playing a role, they just forgot that they are; the role becomes them, but remains a role because it doesn't hold up in reality (not being able to move things with your mind, etc.). I've actually encountered people like this, and it's for them that I use the term "obsessive nerd group". Anyone that keeps the boundary between reality and fantasy is still a roleplayer, but a healthy one (lack of "obsessive")
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:06 pm
Ren Tohimaru X-Yami-no-Ko-X Vagabond8 it's when they start thinking that it's real that we get the obsessive nerd groups referred to as "roleplayers" amongst those who actually relate to this religions in a real-world sense. As a roleplayer I find this highly offensive. For many reasons. First is that most people in any "obsessive nerd group" do not think its real if what fandom they follow is fiction. Second most roleplayers are able to tell the difference between reality and fantasy. But once a person hits the point where fantasy is reality then you can't really call them a roleplayer since they're delusional and are no longer "playing a role." Lol I meant no offense. Personally I think they are just playing a role, they just forgot that they are; the role becomes them, but remains a role because it doesn't hold up in reality (not being able to move things with your mind, etc.). I've actually encountered people like this, and it's for them that I use the term "obsessive nerd group". Anyone that keeps the boundary between reality and fantasy is still a roleplayer, but a healthy one (lack of "obsessive") this is exactly what is offensive to us roleplayers. stare anyway, all that aside, I take alot of lessons from Jedi and Sith as well. I even run a Guild where people can study and contemplate lessons from Star Wars for applications in real life.
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:43 am
I find it amazing that they don't think it through, but just think it is interesting and let it grow from there.
I mean, the Force in SW combines properties from yin/yang, where things are to be kept in equal measures to keep the balance, where darkness is just as good as light, because it is just as needed, and tries to fuse it together with a messed-up version of christianity, where darkness must be vanquished by the light ...
It do not add up!
One part utterly destroys the premises for the other.
It is worse than fitting a square peg in a round hole, it is like laying a puzzle where half the pieces comed from a different puzzle.
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:13 am
Tiina Brown I find it amazing that they don't think it through, but just think it is interesting and let it grow from there. I mean, the Force in SW combines properties from yin/yang, where things are to be kept in equal measures to keep the balance, where darkness is just as good as light, because it is just as needed, and tries to fuse it together with a messed-up version of christianity, where darkness must be vanquished by the light ... It do not add up! One part utterly destroys the premises for the other. It is worse than fitting a square peg in a round hole, it is like laying a puzzle where half the pieces comed from a different puzzle. It's a tricky matter. For one thing, the "Light Side" of the Force has a more passive nature, making it more yin than yang, whereas the "Dark Side" is more aggressive, making it more yang than yin. (In the event of necessary explanation, "yin" is the Taoist dark, feminine, passive half, whereas "yang" is the light, masculine, active half.) For another... the discussion of "balance" makes me think that in terms of Star Wars, the Jedi serve more a matter of evening out the yin and yang, whereas the Sith throw it into chaos. Consider how the Jedi serve to protect others, whereas the Sith seek to dominate others. Also, in the original trilogy (especially ROTJ) you can see the contrast between the racist, all-human Imperial fleet, and the Rebel fleet's inclusion of alien species. And in the Empire Strikes Back, check out all those bounty hunters of so many varying sorts, and the Imperial officer's disgust at having them on board. Though that might be more because they're bounty hunters, because he does actually point that out. Still though... I don't think that generally anyone expects to treat Star Wars as real, but it certainly serves as a good parable or... hm... what do I want here... allegory? Let's go with that. I find it interesting how may religious groups seem to think the Force and the Jedi apply to their beliefs, it just shows how well George Lucas did in creating them as a sort of all-encompassing representation of a spiritual system.
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:11 am
Xiam It's a tricky matter. For one thing, the "Light Side" of the Force has a more passive nature, making it more yin than yang, whereas the "Dark Side" is more aggressive, making it more yang than yin. (In the event of necessary explanation, "yin" is the Taoist dark, feminine, passive half, whereas "yang" is the light, masculine, active half.) For another... the discussion of "balance" makes me think that in terms of Star Wars, the Jedi serve more a matter of evening out the yin and yang, whereas the Sith throw it into chaos. Consider how the Jedi serve to protect others, whereas the Sith seek to dominate others. Also, in the original trilogy (especially ROTJ) you can see the contrast between the racist, all-human Imperial fleet, and the Rebel fleet's inclusion of alien species. And in the Empire Strikes Back, check out all those bounty hunters of so many varying sorts, and the Imperial officer's disgust at having them on board. Though that might be more because they're bounty hunters, because he does actually point that out. Still though... I don't think that generally anyone expects to treat Star Wars as real, but it certainly serves as a good parable or... hm... what do I want here... allegory? Let's go with that. I find it interesting how may religious groups seem to think the Force and the Jedi apply to their beliefs, it just shows how well George Lucas did in creating them as a sort of all-encompassing representation of a spiritual system. As for making a fictional pseudo-religion believable, George Lucas certainly isn't alone. Humans in general actually seem to need something to believe in, and if it is close enough to suit the potential "believer", then they interpret the rest to suit them well enough as well. Thank you for clarifying further about the differences between the Force and Yin/Yang, though.
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:54 pm
Tiina Brown Xiam It's a tricky matter. For one thing, the "Light Side" of the Force has a more passive nature, making it more yin than yang, whereas the "Dark Side" is more aggressive, making it more yang than yin. (In the event of necessary explanation, "yin" is the Taoist dark, feminine, passive half, whereas "yang" is the light, masculine, active half.) For another... the discussion of "balance" makes me think that in terms of Star Wars, the Jedi serve more a matter of evening out the yin and yang, whereas the Sith throw it into chaos. Consider how the Jedi serve to protect others, whereas the Sith seek to dominate others. Also, in the original trilogy (especially ROTJ) you can see the contrast between the racist, all-human Imperial fleet, and the Rebel fleet's inclusion of alien species. And in the Empire Strikes Back, check out all those bounty hunters of so many varying sorts, and the Imperial officer's disgust at having them on board. Though that might be more because they're bounty hunters, because he does actually point that out. Still though... I don't think that generally anyone expects to treat Star Wars as real, but it certainly serves as a good parable or... hm... what do I want here... allegory? Let's go with that. I find it interesting how may religious groups seem to think the Force and the Jedi apply to their beliefs, it just shows how well George Lucas did in creating them as a sort of all-encompassing representation of a spiritual system. As for making a fictional pseudo-religion believable, George Lucas certainly isn't alone. Humans in general actually seem to need something to believe in, and if it is close enough to suit the potential "believer", then they interpret the rest to suit them well enough as well. Thank you for clarifying further about the differences between the Force and Yin/Yang, though. No problem. But believable? I was just saying about making it relatable. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:54 am
Xiam No problem. But believable? I was just saying about making it relatable. sweatdrop Things are relatable because they are connected to something the potential believer like, just that. Star Wars makes belief in "The Force" relatable, nothing else. X-Files made "I want to believe" relatable. As said, humans seem to always need at least something to believe in.
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