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I was reading the thread about Buffy's best partner and so many people complained about the change in Spike's behavior when he was Buffy-Whipped.

It surprised me that no-one noticed who Dru-Whipped he had been, or indeed how Harmony-Whipped he was (to a much lesser extent).

He was exactly the same in behaviour about Dru as he was about Buffy. Let's not forget "mr bigbad crying because dru left me" he DID love before he got a soul, and he DID love Buffy.

As for him getting a soul, I would need to check over the last few episodes of season 6 again, but I seem to remember him going off saying he was going to show Buffy once and for all, but it was never really mentioned what his true intentions were, and he never looked that annoyed at getting his soul back, unlike the way Angel broods about getting his soul?

(just my tuppence into the discussions!)

Yeah, I can that his behaviour changed, initially because he was chipped, and then he realised he actually wanted to be accepted by this group of people. He was still all snarky at the beginning of series 4, but by series 5 he's realised how much being involved ith the scooobies had affected him, and he wanted to change.

I personally still really enjoyed caring - kind Spike, purely because it was a side that was obviously there (he was so kind and caring to drusilla), we as an audience hadn't got a chance to see it, and then his feelings for Buffy developed and we could see that although a demon, he still portrayed an awful lot of humanity. More so than Angel (personally), as Angelus never showed any remaining humanity until he got a soul, where as Spike had a part of him that retained it all along, and became more evident to tjose around him once he was "neutured" (sp).

(as you can guess I'm really pro season 6 spike, so I just wanted to defend him a little!!)

Ok this is just a theory. As a human Angel not his real name by the way, was rude and arrogant. There for Angelus personafied that. Spike or William on the other hand was a sincere poet with feelings. There for when Spike came out he still had a sensitive side to him. Not noticed until the chip was in his head. Or when Dru left him not once but twice. There is confusion as to who sired Spike. On one episode we saw Dru do it, on another we saw Spike talking to Angel and I quote 'You were my sire man, you were my Yoda' or something to that extent. I cant think now, its too early. Anyways, Dru was his first love, she brought out a viscious side to him and he loved it. Not to mention, she was the first girl to actually like William. Well season 4 came and he got chipped and realized his human hunting days were over, so naturally wanting to still be Mr. Big Bad, he fought demons, because he can. He never really got into it, until season 5 when Glory was hunting Dawn. Before then, he just wanted to be around the scoobies to annoy as he has said so often. Did he love Buffy? That to me remains to be seen. He did in fact try to rape her and to me thats not love. As for his soul coming back, he never wanted the soul...as you can tell end the end of season 6 when he says, something along the lines of I want to give that b***h what she deserves, then bam here is your soul, he look shocked before the shaman gave it to him. As for the brooding, Angels soul was a curse, there for his soul was unnatural and caused him to brood. Spikes was given back to him, not as a curse but as a tool from the higher powers to defeat the first evil, needing a champion to wear the talisman. Which in my thoughts cut out all the brooding over what he had done in the past 150 years. His craziness at the begining of season 7 as we know was attributed by the first evil driving him mad. Ok, just my thoughts...

Yeah, I don't know what's so good about Buffy. Yeah, if I was in there, I'd try to hit it, but I wouldn't be no punk and be obessed with her. She ain't THAT fine.

Yes i noticed people saying stuff like "Well he actually went to GET his soul back!" No actually he didnt..but he kinda let Buffy think that. Basicly what he said was he wanted to be "Whole" again. As in, he wanted the chip gone. But instead that was interpreted as "I want my soul back". And boy did he get it back. As far as i can tell soul=conscience. After Angel got his soul, his conscience kicked in to haunt him with all the terrible things he had done. Thus the brooding and self punishment..etc
As for Spike being whipped..Well even as a human he was VERY dependant on woman. First his mother, then Drusilla. Certainly he cared for Dru, but it was a co-dependant relationship. With Buffy...I think he just loved her. He never needed Buffy like he thought he needed Dru. He just wanted to be with her.
Right then, my two cents.

Ok, you need to watch more of Angel and Buffy then. When they show Angels flash backs, you can damn near smell the arrogance and rudeness of him. As for your thoughts on the demon, just inhibiting the human body, explain how Spike fell for Buffy? Or how he wepts for Dru? It wasnt just a demon, there was obviously some of his humanity left in him. Or like I said when his demon half took over, it personified his human side.

I doubt he wanted it back. I seriously, seriously doubt that. I have never once thought that he wanted his soul back, no one I've ever watched that episode with thought that (my family and I have watched it a million times) we always thought he just wanted his chip out. He was sick of being like he was.

I liked Spike when he was bad and when he was Buffy-whipped. That could also be partial to the fact that I think he's the hottest person ever, but yeah anyways. I'm not sure about the whole soul thing. They definitly made it seem like he wanted the chip out and not his soul, but I think the shamman(sp) gave him what he truely wanted, like his deepest desire or something. I haven't seen all of season 7, I haven't ever seen most of it, but from the gist of it, I think deep down he wanted it back to be more like Angel or something. And when he raped her after she kicked him or whatever he looked like horrified at what he'd done. And since I hate that part and can't watch it again, I can't go back and check on what I just said. Sorry if none of that made sense.