|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:14 am
Sorry, I know this has been brought up many times by Buffy fans, but often it doesn't seem that anyone considers this a plot hole...I really do think that it is.
The common argument used for the fact that a new slayer didn't rise and show up sometime in the series is that it was Kendra, then Faith was the official new Slayer after Buffys first death, and thus the death of Faith was now what would be required for a new slayer. This would be well and good, but then a good part of the plot of season seven deals with training new slayers in case Buffy dies so that one of them will rise.
Is it safe to say that the writers screwed up and left a gaping plot hole here? It could be argued that season seven was utter crap and anything that happens in it deserves no mention, but that's probably just me talking sweatdrop
So what does everyone think?
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:52 am
Dr Yuya Sorry, I know this has been brought up many times by Buffy fans, but often it doesn't seem that anyone considers this a plot hole...I really do think that it is. The common argument used for the fact that a new slayer didn't rise and show up sometime in the series is that it was Kendra, then Faith was the official new Slayer after Buffys first death, and thus the death of Faith was now what would be required for a new slayer. This would be well and good, but then a good part of the plot of season seven deals with training new slayers in case Buffy dies so that one of them will rise. Is it safe to say that the writers screwed up and left a gaping plot hole here? It could be argued that season seven was utter crap and anything that happens in it deserves no mention, but that's probably just me talking sweatdrop So what does everyone think? Ummm...Faith never died. She showed up in Sunnydale in the seventh season....but I think you mean Buffy, right? And I know what you mean. There is a huge plot hole and it bugs that crap out of me!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:03 am
flyingkittens Ummm...Faith never died. She showed up in Sunnydale in the seventh season....but I think you mean Buffy, right? I read it over, and no...I actually did say and mean Faith. I think I may haved worded that sentence funny.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:06 am
Dr Yuya flyingkittens Ummm...Faith never died. She showed up in Sunnydale in the seventh season....but I think you mean Buffy, right? I read it over, and no...I actually did say and mean Faith. I think I may haved worded that sentence funny. Ok...but she didn't die.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:28 am
flyingkittens Dr Yuya flyingkittens Ummm...Faith never died. She showed up in Sunnydale in the seventh season....but I think you mean Buffy, right? I read it over, and no...I actually did say and mean Faith. I think I may haved worded that sentence funny. Ok...but she didn't die. He's not saying she died @_@ he's saying that one of the arguments for there not being a Slayer is that Faith needs to die for that to happen. He just, yeah, worded it funny. Actually, I don't think there is a plot hole. I'm still sticking to the fact that Buffy's death meant nothing as far as the line of Slayers go. Besides, there were already too many Slayers gonk If they'd brought in ANOTHER Slayer, it just wouldn't have worked.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:42 pm
Here is a thought. Maybe there is a new slayer, but she just couldnt' come because she was busy else where. It never says there is, or isn't a new slayer after buffy died. And perhaps because the other slayer is busy, is why they need the potentials in case of death, cause they can't gt the other slayer, or somthing like that. That is what I always figured.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:59 pm
doubt it, cause that was b4 the watcher's councel was blowed up, i think that someone woulda informed buffy, i think that it's a 1 death per slayer thing, faith was the official "u die we call someone else" slayer after kendra died, buffy had her turn at death..., wow that would be a really sucky turn to have
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 12:24 pm
Personally, I'm very glad that they didn't bring in another slayer. I mean, after the first two I think it would just be an overused concept, especially after everything Faith did as a slayer.
Also, I think that because another slayer wasn't brought in after Buffy's death was because Faith was still the "active" slayer and there was still one left alive, even if she was in prison, ect. That's just my take on it anyways.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 3:26 pm
paradoxical Personally, I'm very glad that they didn't bring in another slayer. I mean, after the first two I think it would just be an overused concept, especially after everything Faith did as a slayer. Also, I think that because another slayer wasn't brought in after Buffy's death was because Faith was still the "active" slayer and there was still one left alive, even if she was in prison, ect. That's just my take on it anyways. i agree with you eek the last thing they needed was another slayer...yeah just because faith was in prison she was still a slayer. it didnt mean that there needed to be another slayer. its not a plot whole.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:26 pm
chynadoll1987 paradoxical Personally, I'm very glad that they didn't bring in another slayer. I mean, after the first two I think it would just be an overused concept, especially after everything Faith did as a slayer. Also, I think that because another slayer wasn't brought in after Buffy's death was because Faith was still the "active" slayer and there was still one left alive, even if she was in prison, ect. That's just my take on it anyways. i agree with you eek the last thing they needed was another slayer...yeah just because faith was in prison she was still a slayer. it didnt mean that there needed to be another slayer. its not a plot whole. *thumbs up* I think that just about covers everything. Funny side note, when I met Yuya, he was in a thread he had made with this same topic ninja
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:59 pm
The reason that there wasn't another Slayer is because Buffy's death awoke Kendra... Kendra's death awoke Faith.
Buffy dying again didn't awake another Slayer because it had already done so...
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:22 pm
Dr Yuya The common argument used for the fact that a new slayer didn't rise and show up sometime in the series is that it was Kendra, then Faith was the official new Slayer after Buffys first death, and thus the death of Faith was now what would be required for a new slayer. This would be well and good, but then a good part of the plot of season seven deals with training new slayers in case Buffy dies so that one of them will rise. Is it safe to say that the writers screwed up and left a gaping plot hole here? It could be argued that season seven was utter crap and anything that happens in it deserves no mention, but that's probably just me talking sweatdrop So what does everyone think? The Slayer line ran through Faith. That much is obvious. However, I personally believe that the reason they were all hyped up about the possibility of Buffy needing to be replaced is because, well, she's self-centered. Faith was the Bad Girl. She was in prison. There's no way she could be "worthy" of being the active Slayer, so it HAD to be Buffy ... at least in Buffy's mind. I mean COME ON, it was always all about her. She never looked at Kendra or Faith as equals. She looked at them as cheap copies of herself, the "real" Slayer. But, she hasn't been the "real" Slayer since Season One.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:24 pm
Before I get everyone replying telling me that I'm full of s**t, I just want to say, YES, I agree with you, the Slayer line now passes through Faith, the "active" slayer. This is just an interesting idea.
I liked the idea of another slayer. I think it's wise not to bring her in. After Kendra and Faith, another slayer would have been definate overkill. However, I really like the idea of another slayer.
Think about it this way. In all the years there have been slayers, thousands and thousands, isn't if fishy that ONLY Buffy has ever died and come back?
An interesting fanfic idea would be that there ARE more than one, or even more than two slayers walking around out there. In the WHOLE world, with all the demons and vamps, there's only ONE? I think not. It's a nice legend, but not nearly enough. So, although it's not a popular idea, I think it's kinda cool. Yeah. A small slayer army. Okay. You can flame me now.
This is barring all Angel issues or anything reviewed in that show, which I have not seen. Sorry. cry
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:38 pm
SgtElias Think about it this way. In all the years there have been slayers, thousands and thousands, isn't if fishy that ONLY Buffy has ever died and come back? There's a reason for that. Buffy was the only Slayer in history to have a "support team", so to speak. If you remember, Kendra wasn't even allowed to HAVE friends. Usually, all the Slayer had was her Watcher, and he/she followed the rules. One of those rules being one Slayer dies, another is Chosen. However, not only did Giles not play by the rules, but Buffy's friends were there to help. It was her FRIENDS that brought her back, both times. SgtElias An interesting fanfic idea would be that there ARE more than one, or even more than two slayers walking around out there. In the WHOLE world, with all the demons and vamps, there's only ONE? I think not. It's a nice legend, but not nearly enough. So, although it's not a popular idea, I think it's kinda cool. Yeah. A small slayer army. Okay. You can flame me now. Well, actually, there IS an army of Slayers now. In the final episode of Buffy, Willow cast a spell that would automatically awaken every potential Slayer there was, and make them into full-fledged Slayers. There are now probably thousands, and who knows how many are awakening every day?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:35 pm
KaliDiah SgtElias Think about it this way. In all the years there have been slayers, thousands and thousands, isn't if fishy that ONLY Buffy has ever died and come back? There's a reason for that. Buffy was the only Slayer in history to have a "support team", so to speak. If you remember, Kendra wasn't even allowed to HAVE friends. Usually, all the Slayer had was her Watcher, and he/she followed the rules. One of those rules being one Slayer dies, another is Chosen. However, not only did Giles not play by the rules, but Buffy's friends were there to help. It was her FRIENDS that brought her back, both times. SgtElias An interesting fanfic idea would be that there ARE more than one, or even more than two slayers walking around out there. In the WHOLE world, with all the demons and vamps, there's only ONE? I think not. It's a nice legend, but not nearly enough. So, although it's not a popular idea, I think it's kinda cool. Yeah. A small slayer army. Okay. You can flame me now. Well, actually, there IS an army of Slayers now. In the final episode of Buffy, Willow cast a spell that would automatically awaken every potential Slayer there was, and make them into full-fledged Slayers. There are now probably thousands, and who knows how many are awakening every day? See I disagree. I don't think Buffy was the first with a support team. She's just the first you know about. The only real referance I can remember them making to that was when Spike said, "a Slayer with family and friends? I didn't bank on that" or something, sometime in the beginning of season two. I'm not saying it happened all the time, but I probably happened at least once. And I forgot about the final episode, having only seen about four season seven episodes, and that was a while ago. I am currently awaiting the return of them to a TV near me. Thanks for reminding me, though. biggrin
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Reply
