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 Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:44 am
Hey all,
I had been sitting around and thinking to myself lately when a thought crossed my mind[but, that's my overstating the obvious once again..].
Some people have talked about the ridiculous number of "Exotics" on the Internet. "Exotics" being the more "out there" kin types like Phoenixi[I'm almost positive that I've mispelled the plural to Phoenix), Unicorns, Angels, Demons, Dragons, Gryphons, and so on. I figure that they're referred to as "Exotics" because the kintypes seem to be so far out there as opposed to something like a Cougar therian.
For months, I'd been seeking out information on Phoenix-kin just to sate my curiosity. All I had learned was that they were apparantly a rarer type of kin and there was little information available other than that. I had stumbled across a community later with like three Phoenixi. From what I'd read of their messageboard(which has gone dead about a year or two ago), I'd not learned much of them.
I'd heard as well that there was an abundance of Unicorn-kin online. I'd looked, and looked, and had been looking long before I'd heard of said surplus. In my journeys, I'd only stumbled across ONE COMMUNITY dedicated to Unicorn otherkin. The community was very very small to boot.
I've never met a Gryphonkin or a Phoenixkin.
But, here's a few questions:
Why does it seem that people are complaining about the number of "Exotics", insisting that a large percentage of them must be posers because they don't seem rare at all, when there seems so few of them to me? Or am I just looking in the wrong places? Do we have any "Exotics" here in this Guild? If so, what kintypes? Any Unicorn-kin? Is the term "Exotic" a crude term? [If so, I won't use it any more. sweatdrop ]
Guitarhero once said in another thread that there are people who are wishkin but are fooling themselves without realizing it. How do they do this?
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:19 am
I've never heard of the term "Exotics" used before. Well I know I'm an angel and I saw that under your classification of "Exotics".
Also wishkin has several other names as well. When one focuses enough and longs for something hard enough their mind can actually create it. I've read several tales (supposidly true, but these were thousands of years ago), one, the more common, is about a women (I think a baker's wife, but she was widowed) and she longed for a man with all her heart and might and he ended up being created. The mind can also play tricks on you to make you believe you had an awakening or astral limbs because you want them so, but in fact they arn't there. (Kind of a bad description and I'll fix it later, I have to go to school. Ta Ta for now.)
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:11 am
We actually have a whole thread for the Angelkin in this guild. I hae also never met any phoenix or gryphon or the like, though I'm tempted to say that my guide is a phoenix after the experience I had with one in meditation.
After seeing how many I've met, I wouldn't say angelkin are really that "exotic", but that's just me, I suppose.
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:56 pm
Azana: *nods* I had only grouped Angelics under the "Exotics" heading for the simple fact that when I'd first stumbled across the website that had brought up the issues of "Exotics", they just clumped them in there with them. I'm aware of the Angelkin thread, there's one there for Demonkin too. But yeah.
Though, as I've said, I've had limited luck finding information on most of these "Exotic" Kintypes; not to mention that I had only met a few of them here and there.
Coww: You're Angelic?..Why on earth did I think that you were Draconic? @.@;;
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:45 am
Personally I think many people's first instinct is to pick their favorite mythological creature and say "Hey, I bet I'm think because I like 'em so much!" But they wise up later and move on and pretend nothing ever happened. Thus giving way to people complaining about them and having no proof on them. o.O My idea anyways.
However there's plenty of people who try and mix too many creatures together into one. Unless you state "I think I'm half wolf and half dragon... AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHY OMG I'VE LOST MY MIND!!!" then most people arn't going to believe that you were a demon-fox that was later turned into a lepard angel. *shrugs* People have said it, they were berated by many others, they ran away and though better of it next time by picking a wolf. Now if there were ever and over-abundance of anything, a wolf would be it.
Aaaaand, that's all I got from the peanut factory.
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:51 pm
Vixen13 Personally I think many people's first instinct is to pick their favorite mythological creature and say "Hey, I bet I'm think because I like 'em so much!" But they wise up later and move on and pretend nothing ever happened. Thus giving way to people complaining about them and having no proof on them. o.O My idea anyways. However there's plenty of people who try and mix too many creatures together into one. Unless you state "I think I'm half wolf and half dragon... AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHY OMG I'VE LOST MY MIND!!!" then most people arn't going to believe that you were a demon-fox that was later turned into a lepard angel. *shrugs* People have said it, they were berated by many others, they ran away and though better of it next time by picking a wolf. Now if there were ever and over-abundance of anything, a wolf would be it. Aaaaand, that's all I got from the peanut factory. *nods* Yeah, I've seen a fair amount of wolf therians. There are a lot of them around, not that I'm criticising them or anything. sweatdrop Maybe it's because when people normally think of anything pertaining to a human being part animal, or having a soul of an animal or what have ye, they usually think of werewolves according Hollywood film. I'm not saying that that's the case with the wolf therians, so much as it certainly increases the chances of wannabes showing up in the community. I guess it's not unlike how the HLV community often finds itself facing people who wanna be 'turned'. sweatdrop But yeah, I can see where you're coming from. I've seen some people claiming to be youkai..then again, I've seen entire webpages and websites dedicated to Otakukin..so..Yeah. But, I guess that some of that might well stem from people deciding that they like something so much that they feel that they MUST be part of it on another level; extended fanaticism, if you will. Though, I'm curious as to how many of these more 'elusive' types of kin there actually are out there. I once stumbled across, among my google web results, a long since dead messageboard community that had like FIVE Phoenixi as members. Yet, that was like the only place that I had been able to find anything at all on Phoenix-kin. I'm pretty sure that there are some Gryphkin and Dragonkin at the Gryphon Guild..but I haven't been on their messageboards in ages. As for Unicorns, I used to be part of a community that was dedicated entirely to Unicorn-kin. Though, while I was there, I didn't learn much about what traits Unicorn Otherkin have. Apparently, though, I act/seem like one with the way that I post. At least, that's what the community's owner said, but..yeah..I had reason to doubt in his opinion. Though, the community as a whole defined the unicorn as an equine(horse) with a horn through its forehead. Traditionally, however, I'm most positive that the Unicorn was either antelope or goat like in appearance(with a bull's tail and cloven hooves), or looked like a breed of single horned rhinoceros which is now extinct. I would think that a Unicorn Otherkin would have a true self which resembled one of those two; not a horse. After all, the single horned horse concept of the Unicorn is relatively new and all. Though, whatever. I'm sure there are other explanations for a Unicorn-kin to have a single-horned equine true form that I'm not at all aware of(like why the 'unicorn' in the Paleolithic Lascaux caves looks like a single horned horse). If there were any Unicorn-kin here in the Guild, I'd love to ask them questions.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:32 am
Pageantry Coww: You're Angelic?..Why on earth did I think that you were Draconic? @.@;; I might be... The only thing I can tell are my wings, but there are other creatures with wings. So, I could be Draconic...
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:34 pm
In light of your discussion on "horse with a horn", it made me think about wolves and misconceptions. I have a theory that most wolf therians believe they are wolves because they don't know any other canine-like creatures. So they have those traits or see a glimpse of an astral image and assume it's a wolf. People may assume unicorn because they are truely horse, but unicorn sounds more magestic. Horses are known to be empathetic and pure and free, and people assume unicorns to be more so. The whole "only comes up to a virgin" thing. However, there are many books out now that talk about the more ancient belief of unicorns and how they were ferel, wild, and attacked humans (which later brought about the belief it was because humans were corrupt).
It's something to think about at least. I divine people all the time and occasionally I'll glimpse the animal that's either with them or is them. Most of the time I have to look it up, having no idea what that animal was. Think about it, a person could be ANY animal, how many animals are there in the world? More than any one person can know. Yet most people limit themselves to a smaller pool of choice. Is it because they don't think about the options or because they want to find other people to fit in with? They yearn for a pack that's the same kind of thing they are.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:42 pm
Yeah, actually, that makes a lot of sense. I mean, just canine animals alone(or animals that resemble canines, like vulpines)..there are countless species and sub-species. I mean, there's all of the kinds of foxes, silver foxes, Arctic foxes, red foxes, fennec foxes..and those are the only ones I can name off the top of my head. Then there are African wild dogs, timberwolves/grey wolves, red wolves, Arctic wolves, Tazmanian wolves(though, they're presumably extinct), jackals, dingoes..and there are bound to be more than that.
There was one Unicorn myth about this one type of antelope-like Unicorn whose horn was hollow and possessed a hole at the top which, when the wind blew past it, created a haunting howling sound of sorts..almost like a song. People would be intrigued by the sound and would end up trying to approach it. When a person got too close, it is said that that type of Unicorn would attack them. If I'm not mistaken, there were others that were almost like like the Phooka/Pooka in that they'd apparently walk right up to people, but when people climbed aboard them, they'd give them what is often called "a mean ride". That's to say, that they'd start running and bucking like mad and wouldn't yield to any commands or anything and would basically end up killing their rider somehow, or throwing him off somewhere. A psychic told me that one once.
It makes sense that people would limit their options to a small pool. I mean, I don't recall ever running into any gecko therians or anything along those lines. People, as a whole, try to find others like themselves. It's for that reason that people join messageboard communities and guilds. It's the similar interests/similarities that bring us all together.
As an example of this; I know I find myself often gravitating towards Otherkin communities. It could be for the sole fact that I'm just so interested in the topic that I want to be immersing myself in it more often. It could be that I'm somehow some kind of wishkin(God, I hope not). It could be because of ANY number of other reasons. Even that I feel a sort of belonging there even though I often doubt that I'm anything other than human(despite having it been suggested to me countless times that I'm this or that).
Fact of the matter is, people are social creatues. We want to find people who are like us or share similar interests to what we do because it's easier to communicate with them and communication/discussion is essential for the maintenance of one's mental health. 3nodding
Though, on a random note, I had no idea that horses were known to be empathetic and pure and free. Then again, I haven't much looked into the symbolism of the horse throughout ancient history(as the horse was often found to be a common image in much ancient art).
You divine people? In what way? Sorry if it's a little offtopic, but I'm curious. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:27 pm
Well horses are generally thought of as a "helping animal". Troubled or handicapped kids spend time with horses or dolphins and show great amounts of improvement. Plus, having a friend who was obsessed with horses, it seems to be the popular thing in most books that they are majestic and pure. Which is why I mentioned it.
And yes, I divine people. I'm thinking about getting into runes, but haven't started it just yet, though I do have a book on it. Currently I divine by eyes. The whole "window to the soul thing", whatever it is, I see things. I explain it like this:
"I'm going to just stare into each eye and see images. This is your subconcious talking to mine and then it creates a picture for me, because I'm very image oriented. Most of these images will be symbolic and will make no sense to me, but should make sense to you, if you think about them. If I feel a certain emotion of if my influence on scene setting interfers, I'll mention it. Sometimes I'll 'hear' things that are said or even start humming a tune, it's happened. Each eye holds a different part of your self, so I'll tell what images I see for each one individually. When I unfocus on you and look PAST your eyes and let the world grow dark, I should see the shadow of your animal, if you have one, or if it wishes to be seen."
That's pretty much the long and short of it. I don't touch (skin to skin) when doing this because it's BAD. I did it once and got hit with a sledge hammer of emotion that doubled me over. It hurt. >.o So anyways, that's the long and short of it.
Your posts are so much longer than mine. domokun
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:52 pm
I tend to be rather verbose. I always have been once I get started on something. 'Tis but the way that I am.
Huh..Your method of Divination sounds cool. I'd ask you to read me just for curiosity's sake; but that's impossible as it would be over the internet and probably wouldn't work at all. sweatdrop
*nods* Yeah, I see what you mean. All throughout history horses(among other animals like bulls and lions) are one of the reoccurring symbols throughout art/architecture. Plus, long before the horse became the domesticated creature we know it to be, they were once wild. The Mustangs, even today, are romanticised..and I suppose because the modern domesticated horses are descendants of such, and have over time been associated with Unicorns, they have come to be representative of the untainted purity of the wild and the desire to run free like their ancestors once did...or..something like that. @.@;;
Oh, here's a random question that just crossed my mind..It's kinda pertinent to this thread, but mostly pertinent to Otherkin in general. Some Otherkin claim to have past life memories. Upon uncovering one of these memories of the time spent in their true form, are the memories recorded EXACTLY how their true form would have seen it? That's to say, would a canine's memories be in black and white? Or an equine's memories be in that spectrum of color that horses eyes are sensitive to(red and blue light, if I'm not mistaken) and that grass would appear white and such due to the aforementionned spectrum of color issue? Or, are these memories just as vivid and colorful as if you had been there, witnessing/reliving it all with human eyes?
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:13 am
Humans are obssesed with sight. I personally believe that an animal's memories would be more scent or feeling oriented. That's why many wolf-like therians will remember things from a scent while walking through the woods. This scent doesn't have to represent anything pertinent, but it would stimulate a memory. It's the same idea as trying to get a memory loss patient to recover by bringing them to familiar places or cooking their favorite food.
However, if a visual memory was obtained, I think the human mid wouldn't be able to understand it. So, it would interprit the memory as if it were seen, heard, and understood by human senses because that's all we can currently fathom. The person would have an idea that the memory isn't exactly right, but it's close enough and they can understand what's going on. However, if the memory was exactly the same, it would have different forms of sense receptors and different thought processes behind things, so the memory would suddenly make no sense what-so-ever.
So if a person were to remember something, I'm pretty sure that every time it would be in a human memory form because that's all our physiological make up can understand. If a person were to remember something otherwise, they'd have to be thinking "What the hell? I'm a [insert animal here] on crack!" But hey, that's been my personal experience on the subject with the therians I know. (I have no personal experiences for I am not Therian... or Otherkin. I just happen to know alot of them.)
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:07 am
Well, I must say that you're quite knowlegeable on the subject and it has been a pleasure talking to you. You've taught me quite a lot just by some of the posts you've made in this thread. *rather enjoys learning new things* 3nodding
Yeah, it makes sense that the human mind would probably have to translate things to "human memories", so to speak. After all, the human mind tends to create substitutions for the things that we cannot at all comprehend. Since animals and creatures of all forms tend to think quite a bit differently than humans do, it would be hard for us to comprehend or to understand things the way that they do. Though, I just felt compelled to ask, as it had crossed my mind. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:10 am
Xx_Nobody_xX Pageantry Coww: You're Angelic?..Why on earth did I think that you were Draconic? @.@;; I might be... The only thing I can tell are my wings, but there are other creatures with wings. So, I could be Draconic... Ah, ok. That probably explains it. Well, can you feel what your phantom wings are like? What kind of texture are they? Are they feathered? Are they leathery? ..Eh..that's about all that I remember from this one website I had read about discovering one's Kintype. Sorry for not being of more assistance. sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:52 am
It's a dragon otherkin here... sweatdrop
That's in response to some earlier question.
Lots of interesting things... I've heard the "wolves because humans are social creatures" bit before, as well as the wishkin and such.
I haven't ever heard of being called an "exotic" though. As for like... well, wishkin as I've heard it are people that are either confused or purposefully trying to make themselves sound like an otherkin/therian, otakukin as I've heard it are people that try to identify with anime/cartoon/imagined characters.
Oh, and I don't know what I could possibly say on the "like them so think I am one" subject, but as for fitting in... that's why years back I denied to myself the belief of being dragon. And that actually came years before finding any sort of community... much less a term for it. sweatdrop
Well, actually, while I might save pictures of dragons and purchase on a rare occasion things pertaining to dragons... it seems to me more of a relation thing and not just a simple "liking" of dragons. At least as I've seen it...
Also, whoever said wolves/canines seem most common... that I think was agreed upon, but also dragons. Wolves and dragons are common. sweatdrop
Although, you're going to run into many different dragonlike beings in that group.
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