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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:59 pm
The first impression you would get from the over all fanbase of shonen-ai yaoi with out knowing anything about the genre is gay guys. With Shojo-ai or Yuri a person with no information on the main fanbase would expect it to be full of horny straight guys.
However on the contrary girls make most of the fanbase for most genres.
What do you think the reason is behind this is? Also, what was your idea of the main fanbase before you knew anything about either of the genres?
I already have my own theory that most girls are attracted to sexy men and romance. ('cept I refuse the p***s so yeah sweatdrop ) As most of you can notice shojo-ai is full of romance and cute things. Where yaoi and shonen-ai is full of sexy men so yeah I think that's what attracts them.
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:53 pm
Honestly, alot of guys that like yaoi/yuri/shoujoai/shonenai probably wouldn't admit it to anyone... which could be a reason.
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:11 am
I like shoujo-ai/yuri and only shoujo-ai/yuri. mad
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:36 am
Well, I think shoujo-ai/yuri have very cute art styles. That could be one reason. oxo
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:57 pm
I'm more of a fan of shoujo-ai. I'll admit that I only have like two shonen-ai pairings that I like. Overall, I like cute girls, cute things and the romance between them.
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:16 am
KiminaTheGuardian I like shoujo-ai/yuri and only shoujo-ai/yuri. mad
I only like yuri (I don't use shoujo-ai word because is not used in Japan, but I prefer see yuri in romantic style).
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:50 pm
I only heart shoujoai/yuri. There are a TON of guys who proclaim a love of yuri on other boards and at events. You'll mostly see them stick to sexual image posts with only a few guys posting to discussions on the anime/manga series.
Why chicks dig yaoi/shounenai is beyond me. I'm inclined to agree that it may be because it's non-threatening.
Something I found awhile back. I don't remember where.
According to the article:
Why yaoi has become so popular is the subject of considerable debate. The beautiful, androgynous young men of yaoi fiction, with their long hair, long limbs and slender, hairless bodies contrast sharply with the stern, muscular, short-haired males in men’s manga, many of whom are sadistic or misogynistic by Western standards. Some cultural observers argue these stories allow Japanese women to escape the bonds of a society that restricts them.
(According to) The Comprehensive International Encyclopedia of Sexuality, yaoi “explores female views of masculinity and of the male body in way that do not degrade or threaten the female viewer and which allow her to focus enthusiastically and openly on all the sexual-romantic things that men do.” Said another, “The teenage girls that I run into think these guys are hot.” They’re comfortable with them because they’re not macho. In my opinion, yaoi isn’t really about guys getting together. It’s meant to portray relationships that are hetereosexual at their foundation.
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:54 pm
Succubus Goddess Evaligan KiminaTheGuardian I like shoujo-ai/yuri and only shoujo-ai/yuri. mad
I only like yuri (I don't use shoujo-ai word because is not used in Japan, but I prefer see yuri in romantic style).I agree with the both of you 100% *thumbs up* blaugh
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:09 pm
o.o I think it's because they're usually pretty different from regular anime.
For yaoi/shounen-ai I'd say because the men are usually even less masculine then they're already portrayed in anime, and it gives them more of a chance to show a feminine side, I guess.
While I adore yuri/ahoujo-ai it is hard for me to like as much as yaoi shounen-ai, since girls in anime are usually INCREDIBLY annoying (at least to me) and typically lack the depth of male characters. Yuri/shoujo-ai anime shows the female characters growing, changing, and provides real depth and personality whihc isn't there with most anime.
That and it's usually quite soft and gentle, and very beautiful overall.
>.> 'Tis my opinion.
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:58 am
Well i think that same sex romance is just more romantic. For example: In the end of the story the woman ends up with the dashing hero, But what if the woman casts aside what is offten considered as the norm and leaps into the arms of her beautiful female savior.
There just seems to be more caring involved in same sex relationships. Rather then the focus being set on the fact that there reproductive organs can make a baby, its on the fact that they genuanly care about each other. ((im not saying that reproduction is the only focuse in a hetero relationship im just saying it is a factor))
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:26 am
Because it's romance and women are more open to sexuality. Girls are more inclined to read romance than boys are, so it's directed towards us. And dating sims are directed towards shy guys who can't get girls in real life... But then agian I play those... I'm a dork...
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:44 pm
Most yaoi is written and drawn by women for women, so their sensibilities and points of interests differ greatly from actual gay manga for men. For one thing, the characters in yaoi and shounen-ai are usually slender, beautiful, effeminate in either personality or looks and have a LOT of build-up to the story. In short, it's emotionally driven. If you check out gay comics from gay men, the men are drawn much differently with toned buff muscles and c**k galore with plots that focus more on raw sex. And yuri/shoujoai is such a smaller market compared to the yaoi. Just as most yaoi is drawn by women, a lot of supposed "yuri" is drawn by men with sensibilities that would cater more to the male demographic, and is normally considered girl-on-girl hentai. Of course, these generalizations are the most obvious differences. There's a very interesting article up here at Journalista about those differences and reviews a lot of yuri titles that are currently in scanlations. (You have to scroll WAY DOWN until you reach the section Comics Culture for the article). It's interesting how he considers the series Maka-Maka to be made for women while Erica Friedman's review of it (if you want to read it, I'll send a link via PM since it has very mild nudity) states how it's predominantly for men. I highly recommed the read. Another interesting to note in the article states how Dirk Deppey (the reviewer) tried to push Eros Comix (an imprint of Fantagraphic's adult titles) to license Maka-Maka but to no avail because of it's low appeal to men. This says a lot about the state of the comics market and how it's still biased against titles for women and female readership which is a serious problem if the States still WANTS a comic book market to succeed.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:04 pm
SoundByte Of course, these generalizations are the most obvious differences. There's a very interesting article up here at Journalista about those differences and reviews a lot of yuri titles that are currently in scanlations. I'm not goning to quote you entirely since you post is right above mine, but I agree with you and thanks for the link, that was interesting. I especially liked this-- Because female sexuality affords a greater apetite for emotional and relationship-oriented components in erotic fantasy, as opposed to the nearly all-physical nature of male sexual fantasy, there’s more room for character interaction and plot — that is to say, literature — in female-oriented romance comics.A long time ago when some Yaoi fangirls were ranting about it being so much better and sweeter than anything else, I tried to make the point like that one. I went on to say something about how female writers imbune the males with female properties. Ultimately saying that if anything is going to be sweet and mushy it's going to be a femalexfemale relationship. Hmm, I can't quite gather my thoughts right now.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:12 pm
Rhasphodia Well, I think shoujo-ai/yuri have very cute art styles. That could be one reason. oxo yes I agree. I love cute things. =P
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:23 am
SoundByte Of course, these generalizations are the most obvious differences. There's a very interesting article up here at Journalista about those differences and reviews a lot of yuri titles that are currently in scanlations. (You have to scroll WAY DOWN until you reach the section Comics Culture for the article). It's interesting how he considers the series Maka-Maka to be made for women while Erica Friedman's review of it (if you want to read it, I'll send a link via PM since it has very mild nudity) states how it's predominantly for men. I highly recommed the read. Another interesting to note in the article states how Dirk Deppey (the reviewer) tried to push Eros Comix (an imprint of Fantagraphic's adult titles) to license Maka-Maka but to no avail because of it's low appeal to men. This says a lot about the state of the comics market and how it's still biased against titles for women and female readership which is a serious problem if the States still WANTS a comic book market to succeed.
I really think that series strikes at both male and female readerships. I enjoy it myself as a gay female. The thing is, I really enjoy the relationship that Jun and Nene have. It's believable and the girls obviously have a very close connection, despite the fact that their bisexual-ish sex lives reflect a little more of a male-targeted fantasy.
The sex is possibly a little more male-targeted (and for those that are curious, there is sex in every chapter. EVERY chapter...), but things like...if you read the chapter one where Nene comments on Jun's two or three short nails? That's a kind of thing that I tend to believe that only lesbians think of. Males in general don't consider stuff like that. Or at least, they don't really seem to--everyone's surprised whenever I point out long nails as a not-likely-lesbian indicator.
A lot of the other personal issues that the girls face aren't really things that most guys seem to be able to empathize well with, either. They're very...girl, somehow. I dunno. They just are. The characters are written very convincingly female?? I can't think of how else to say it.
So I generally think that the series goes for both, possibly with a very empathic gay female influence in the writing.
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