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[gossamer]!smile. Vice Captain
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 Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:47 pm
Well, I was curious how many people think rape is a horrible thing. Now, granted, I do not condone it nor do I think it is okay (I know what I said) to rape anyone. But I do not rank it any higher than being bear up or mugged. Think about it, and don't just freak out. (The subject, I mean.)
Okay, why is rape bad. Because it is useing someone's body part without their permission. Like, let's say, oral rape. If a male orally raped a female, it's a horrible thing. But what is the difference between that, and putting my finger in a girl's mouth? The fact that it's sexual is the only real difference.
Now, sexual things are frowned upon by our social moral system. Anything that involves sex is immediately worse/better than something else. It's because sex is veiwed as something "more". But is it? It's really just a very basic, primitive thing. I think that if our society took off the emphasis on sex, rape would be down-sized to something like beating someone up.
What do you all think?
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:14 pm
I would think the risk of pregnancy makes it worse.
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:40 pm
M-mann I would think the risk of pregnancy makes it worse. As well as STIs, and physical harm. Rape is also a lot more complex. Because most victims know their rapist -- coworker, friend, even boyfriend -- there is a huge violation of trust. And because rape isn't about sex, it's about power, many rapes are also at least mildly violent. And then there's the less common things, like harsher violence, drugging, etc.
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:07 pm
Well, I would rate it on the same scale, except for the massive psychological trauma it causes. While a mugging may cause minor to major physical harm, rape can cause the same amount of harm plus the aforementioned psychological damge. It also affects your close friends and realtives in negative ways (its more traumatizing for them as well) more than a mugging. And as pandora said, rape can also cause a massive breach in trust.
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:44 pm
Rape...wow. I really don't know what to say. It all depends on the context, I suppose.
Violent rape...definitely on the same level as a mugging. I'm sorry, it's not any better or worse. I react the same. If I find out my girlfriend/boyfriend has been raped, I'm going to find and kill the ******** who did it. If I find out they've been mugged...I'm still going to find and kill the ******** who did it. I'm not discriminate when it comes to dishing out my pent-up violence. Yes, I agree very generally that rape is psychologically damaging, but I've been through my share of psychological damage in my nearly twenty years on this Earth, and I've never been raped. (As far as I know, anyway. s**t happens when you get drunk, and there's a bit of the last year I don't quite remember.) I think any number of things have the potential to be psychologically destructive, to a point even rape can't manage. Yes, rape can leave lasting effects. So can being in car accidents, muggings, even movies. I'm sorry, I feel sorry that you got raped. But life does go on. You have to pick yourself up off the floor...or you'll not get anywhere.
On the other hand, I'm sure this isn't the main point here, but just another idea. Statutory rape. (rape of the statutes...what?) At what point should statutory rape be arguable?
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:44 am
Pandora Box M-mann I would think the risk of pregnancy makes it worse. As well as STIs, and physical harm. Rape is also a lot more complex. Because most victims know their rapist -- coworker, friend, even boyfriend -- there is a huge violation of trust. And because rape isn't about sex, it's about power, many rapes are also at least mildly violent. And then there's the less common things, like harsher violence, drugging, etc. And the whole "You're not in control of your own body and are having your humanity ripped from you along with your sense of security and own worth." thing does a number on a person too.
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:17 am
ThePeerOrlando2 Pandora Box M-mann I would think the risk of pregnancy makes it worse. As well as STIs, and physical harm. Rape is also a lot more complex. Because most victims know their rapist -- coworker, friend, even boyfriend -- there is a huge violation of trust. And because rape isn't about sex, it's about power, many rapes are also at least mildly violent. And then there's the less common things, like harsher violence, drugging, etc. And the whole "You're not in control of your own body and are having your humanity ripped from you along with your sense of security and own worth." thing does a number on a person too. I was about to add that. The thing with rape is you have completely lost control where control would normally be. Whether you're sexually active or not, you choose when, how, and who you have sex with. In this way rape is not comparable to assault because normally you don't choose when and how someone beats you up.
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:15 pm
I think that "rape is about power and control" is all bullshit. I think personally that rape is about sex. If you want to have sex with someone you drug them, or hold them down somehow, but if you just wanted to be in control and flaunt your promiscuous power, I cant see rape turning up the top ten ways of doing that.
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:00 pm
[.Parade.of.Underpants.] I think that "rape is about power and control" is all bullshit. I think personally that rape is about sex. If you want to have sex with someone you drug them, or hold them down somehow, but if you just wanted to be in control and flaunt your promiscuous power, I cant see rape turning up the top ten ways of doing that. Then obviously you don't know that much about rape. Yeah, rape involves sex. But if it was only about sex, who would be getting raped? Those who are attractive, those who flaunt it. It goes back to how a lot of people DO think rape is about sexual attraction and so the first thing they say is "well, you shouldn't have been wearing [insert article of clothing here]." But if that were the case, then women wouldn't be getting raped in the Middle East or other places where covering up most of the body is extremely common if not required. And women wouldn't be getting raped by their boyfriends and husbands, men who normally they would willingly have sex with.
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:27 pm
Been raped. Been orally raped. Been drugged and raped. Been held down and raped. Been raped by a close friend, been raped by a distant acquaintence. Been raped for power, been raped for sex, been raped for love.
Also been physically assaulted. It doesn't suck nearly as badly, I assure you. Humans are conditioned to fear and be upset by some things more than others, both socially and on a genetic level.
Rape is not analogous to physical assault. Rape is analogous to torture - both situations have someone in a position of anguish where they have lost complete and utter control.
You're not arguing that torture isn't that bad, are you?
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[gossamer]!smile. Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:43 am
M-mann I would think the risk of pregnancy makes it worse.
and if it comes down to it- an abortion.
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:45 am
Pandora Box M-mann I would think the risk of pregnancy makes it worse. As well as STIs, and physical harm. Quote: Rape is also a lot more complex. Quote: Because most victims know their rapist Quote: -- coworker, friend, even boyfriend -- there is a huge violation of trust.
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[gossamer]!smile. Vice Captain
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[gossamer]!smile. Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:47 am
ThePeerOrlando2 Pandora Box M-mann I would think the risk of pregnancy makes it worse. As well as STIs, and physical harm. Rape is also a lot more complex. Because most victims know their rapist -- coworker, friend, even boyfriend -- there is a huge violation of trust. And because rape isn't about sex, it's about power, many rapes are also at least mildly violent. And then there's the less common things, like harsher violence, drugging, etc. And the whole "You're not in control of your own body and are having your humanity ripped from you along with your sense of security and own worth." thing does a number on a person too.
See, that's another thing. Society wouldn't feel this was if we didn't put such a huge emphasis on sex.
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:55 am
ReiDuck Also been physically assaulted. It doesn't suck nearly as badly, I assure you. Quote: Rape is not analogous to physical assault. Rape is analogous to torture - both situations have someone in a position of anguish where they have lost complete and utter control. Quote: You're not arguing that torture isn't that bad, are you?
Tell me. What's the difference from a man sticking his finger in your mouth and him sticking his p***s in your mouth? The fact that it has to do with sex. Which one is worse? The one that has to do with sex. But in reality, when you think about it, they're both pretty much the same thing. My finger is a part of my body, as is my p***s. But since one has to do with sex, it is immediately horrifying.
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[gossamer]!smile. Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:44 am
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