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 Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:19 am
An 8 year old (playing, using) magick. Elaborate.
I believe in people being born with powerful magick. But i also believe that people playing 'witch' seriously.
Maturity and wisdom plays a vital role in magick, if you know the bad you know the good, so are 'kids' really supposed to partake in sacred rituals and being high priests/ priestesses or shamans? I put this up because I've heard alot of rumors that there are alot of 12 year old 'witches'. They're really making magick like a game and in effect producing more and more skeptics and unbelievers. This not including immature adults of course, we all know they dont' deserve to be called a witch.
EDIT: Exclude the fact that they have Neopagan parents. When they are born under Christian parents.
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:50 am
Not all of the young Witches are doing it just for a game; I'm not sure it's fair to lump them all into a stereotype like that. Some of their parents are Neopagan or Witches themselves and they're being raised in a family tradition. I challenge you to provide evidence for this hearsay that there are "a lot of 12 year old 'witches' ... making magic like a game." Otherwise we may be reinforcing a nonexistent stereotype!
Assuming they do exist in the "a lot" sense, they can call themselves Witches if they want to; it honestly doesn't bother me. Whenever did a word have a single definition? They're not the kind of Witch that someone who has been doing it for 20 years as a religious practice, but they're still Witches of some sort. Saying they don't deserve to be called Witches is a bit demeaning. Kids are kids. So what if they're just playing? That's what kids DO. Chances are they'll grow out of it one way or another. wink
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:21 am
Starlock Not all of the young Witches are doing it just for a game; I'm not sure it's fair to lump them all into a stereotype like that. Some of their parents are Neopagan or Witches themselves and they're being raised in a family tradition. I challenge you to provide evidence for this hearsay that there are "a lot of 12 year old 'witches' ... making magic like a game." Otherwise we may be reinforcing a nonexistent stereotype! Assuming they do exist in the "a lot" sense, they can call themselves Witches if they want to; it honestly doesn't bother me. Whenever did a word have a single definition? They're not the kind of Witch that someone who has been doing it for 20 years as a religious practice, but they're still Witches of some sort. Saying they don't deserve to be called Witches is a bit demeaning. Kids are kids. So what if they're just playing? That's what kids DO. Chances are they'll grow out of it one way or another. wink About that parent thing. It's strange that it didn't appear in my message but it should've, i remember writing it probably erased that part when i was editing. Thank you for pointing that out and I apologize for that. Alright point taken, but when they play with demonology and trying to summon a great demon isn't that something serious? If you're saying that they can't, let's assume that they can? What then? Why would i post something like this without credible proof? I saw this thread (can't remember the site) a few months back about people ranting at their high schools that everyone were claiming to be Wiccans. One story was they were challenged because they started to brag about it. But when they tried to perform magic nothing happened. The religion became the laughing stock of everyone. This issue was huge around the place I was hanging out and that's why I didn't want to reveal i was a practitioner to anyone. I'm not creating stereotypes I did say i believe in people born with great power. Children are children yes, they can play Harry Potter but not Aleister Crowley. With books in stores and the internet as a reference who knows what they are capable of! They might try to curse or bind their enemies and try to offer living sacrifices because they think it's cool like in movies? They may be young but that doesn't mean they won't do anything in their power to try and obtain what they want, even if it means killing a cat, chicken or something else. Will it become important to you as they grow older take the religion lightly? Oh they had expirience with it when they were young and it's soooo easy I'll teach you magic so you'll be powerful and kill your enemies with mere thought! Take it as a means to get anythign they want? If they don't succeed in performing a ritual, psychologically speaking, they would be the first ones to condem it and later on fight against it. This coming from a psychology major and personal experience. When i talked to a friend about magick, she really became so interested, you know why? Because she wants to magically obtain what she wants. She made me look like a djinni for goodness sakes! Sorry if i offended you in anyway but I really feel strongly about this. When I was young a neighbor of mine told me she has a spellbook at home. I became fascinated and learned from her, she claims that she made her boyfriend jump off a bridge but was unharmed! At one point, I stopped believing her. But then when i asked her, "Are you sure what you are doing really magic?" then she told me "I'll curse you for saying that." In the end she started to believe that she really was a witch! I guess the lie repeated over and over again in her head that it became a 'truth'. After this experience I started my own research and yes I did find proof. I'm sorry if i can't mention the specific sites but you might come across some as you search around the web. When I bought a book of magick in a public non-specialty bookstore, there were alot of girls reading and giggling while reading magic books, then they bought it. Would we be safe to assume that they'll use it with great zeal? Or browse around it, try some and then laugh because nothing happened.
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:14 am
Regardless of age group, it is very common to find Wiccans who are pursuing their faith because they want to use magic to solve their problems rather than do it the hard way. The best way to find out which witch is which (eheh, I amuse myself) would probably be to put them in a life-or-death situation and see how they respond. Anyone who is a Wiccan for twinkly solve-my-problems-with-a-magic-wand reasons will probably not start chanting to their deity of choice, but will scream and revert back to whatever religion they're avoiding going to church (or other relevant institution) for. Unfortunately, it's rather inhumane and illegal to do such a thing, so you're going to have to exercise some judgment when dealing with a self-proclaimed Wiccan. In other words, casually drop the term "burning times" into a conversation, and avoid like the plague anyone who starts raving about the persecution of their ancestors.
No, it really isn't fair to say that all young teen and preteen Wiccans are the giggly bullshit kind. But it is fair to say that those who are such irritate you no end and should be forced to perform mandatory community service until they learn to use their spare time better.
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:59 am
Yvaine Regardless of age group, it is very common to find Wiccans who are pursuing their faith because they want to use magic to solve their problems rather than do it the hard way. The best way to find out which witch is which (eheh, I amuse myself) would probably be to put them in a life-or-death situation and see how they respond. Anyone who is a Wiccan for twinkly solve-my-problems-with-a-magic-wand reasons will probably not start chanting to their deity of choice, but will scream and revert back to whatever religion they're avoiding going to church (or other relevant institution) for. Unfortunately, it's rather inhumane and illegal to do such a thing, so you're going to have to exercise some judgment when dealing with a self-proclaimed Wiccan. In other words, casually drop the term "burning times" into a conversation, and avoid like the plague anyone who starts raving about the persecution of their ancestors. No, it really isn't fair to say that all young teen and preteen Wiccans are the giggly bullshit kind. But it is fair to say that those who are such irritate you no end and should be forced to perform mandatory community service until they learn to use their spare time better.
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:48 pm
ok but i agree that alot of children play in magic. like with ojea and stuff. There are alot of things you can do as a kid that get passed down. i did them with my friends, my sister did them with hers, and my mom with hers. it is a cycle that will never brake i even casted a few spells in my day. but now i know the kind of serous things that happen when you play with something that you dont understand. it can be dangerous i have long since given it up. well most of it.
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:41 pm
My kid runs around the house playing Harry Potter. I get to be either Hagrid or a random bad guy. He also plays "Fearless". His stances are incredble for a 3 year old.
My point is this, all things begin in play. It's our job as elders to add discipline to the play to create a practice.
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:53 pm
I remember when I was young, there were certain 'magic games' that we all knew and played. You probably all know the ones: Bloody Mary, Stiff-as-a-board-light-as-a-feather, even oujia on occassion... but there was seldom any seriousness to it. I remember being very young and finding my brother's copy of 'Man, myth, and Magic' sitting around and I would look through the thing (he had the original magazines) and look at the pictures, even if I couldn't read the words. I was fascinated.
The first time I encountered someone who said they could cast spells was a guy I went to grade school with. Now, I can't remember how old I was, but it had to have been 3rd or 4th grade. I remember being angry at someone and asked him to teach me a spell to hurt him, or one to protect me. I suppose I got lucky, because the kid in question actually sat me down and talked to me, seriously, about the dangers of doing such a negative spell on someone. Wise beyond his years that one. Don't remember his name. He also showed me a 'spell' which was actually nothing more than a self defense move.
As I got older and recognized what had really happened, I realized that I wanted to know more about magic and so I started reading up on it, studying, learning. What I noticed though was that, at least in my case, I wasn't emotionally ready for magic, and I knew it.
What scares me isn't that there are young kids out there doing magic... its that there are young kids out there that are doing magic without understanding the consequences or having the maturity to deal with things in a better manner.
And, since this seems to be a confession sort of post for me, I'll add this. When I get stressed, and life starts getting out of control, or when bad things are afoot, I tend to fall back to magic. I'll cast a spell or two. Whether the spell works or not is irrelevent to me. The act of *doing* it brings me a bit of peace. I don't think magic can solve your problems for you, but it can make your path smoother sometimes.
I think children need to understand that single truth. If they know that, then they'll be fine.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:31 pm
Most of the time, it's kids who do small things like Oujia or something like that and say their a big-powerful witch or preist/preistess. Some recent movies may contribute to this as well. The kids may not realize the full meaning of what their saying, it's probably just a game to them.
I understand not all kids are like this, but there are several out there who are like what I'm describing.
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:12 pm
I had described it in a bit more detail in another thread... some "mistake" she did.
Mom believes she is a witch, in the sense that she has a collection of books of magic, and the mistake she did once was trying to summon something. sweatdrop
She's also had some odd occurrences throughout life involving hag syndrome... er, the sleep paralysis... or a ghost. She's also had more than just an insane husband after her according to stories from her stay in Germany.
Now... being her kid, she didn't teach me anything. She and Dad wanted me to choose my own path in things.
She has made mention of things... like, sometimes I will say something at the same time or before another person, my one sister scrys in liquids usually... the other sister has had like, butterflies check her out, and has had an odd occurrence of a certain color toy in the store not having a tag... so two were brought up, but then it's like the other toy scanned for the tag disappears, and there are two of the same color being the one she wanted. sweatdrop
And... pheromones probably play a role with different things like insects and some animals being so calm and friendly towards us. What I mean is that I've had like caterpillars and lady bugs following me, while again butterflies and dragonflies and such check out my sisters and I. At least... that's what the people in the family are saying.
I guess I've taken a slight interest in magic so to speak if I've bought some books. I'm hoping to learn something from any material I read... so... here's to hoping. 3nodding
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