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Reverse discrimination, also know as "Afirmative action" is not good. All in all, it's still racist. It's kinda like: "Aww poor little uneducated minority, did those big meany white people opress you? Well, ok then, have a job that you may not be completely qualified for." This, I call bullshit. It's stupid, it should not exist. Allowing everyone, of all backgrounds, to have the same education, and the same opportunities: fine. Giving more oppurtunities to some, based on race: no. It shouldn't have existed for white people, and it shouldn't exist for minorities.

Well for starters, we would have to educate the public. Denying the job to a black person because he is black, and there's a white man competing for the same job- bad. Denying a job because someone, that may just happen to be white, because he has better qualifications, it's what shoudl be done. Legislation forbiding race/sexuality/disabilities/whatever to be a factor, in anyway, be it beneficial, or not, should also be put in place, and enforced. If we still face opposition, then we'll just have to take it and hope the next generation will be smarter.

I can't say for... life or death reasons ninja

Nah, i'm just playing. He is a business man. He owns around a dozen or so apartments in California. He started off by buying apartments. He is a very resourceful man 3nodding

First, Reverse Discrimination is a non-sequitor dreamt up by white people to cry out about how they're "discriminated against" in favor of minorities and women despite the fact that they control, well, everything.

Face it. It doesn't exist. The only thing that exists is DISCRIMINATION.

Now, can white people be discriminated against? Yes. But it's not "reverse discrimination omfg lolz wtfbbq!!!11".

Second, how is it "equal" when black students who work hard are not permitted to go to a university based on their skin color? How is it "equal" for poor students to get the same discrimanatory attitude? How about women?

How can you honestly justify discrimation against them in order to help rich, white people?

Oh shut up before I have to b***h slap you for saying "Well racism/classism/sexism doesn't keep kids out of school!"

Yes it does. It happens all the goddamned time. Hell, Rmarques, you and I both know about that woman who was taking a court case as far as she could to get "homos" kicked out of her school because it was "reverse discrimination" to not allow her to attack them needlessly and harass them.

Or what? Do laws that prevent harmful attacks, discrimination, and harassment only extend to the rich, the white, and the homosexual's now?

After 200+ years of slavery to white folks, why don't poverty stricken, African American's deserve some kind of equalizer to the rich, white, bougouisse that made a profit off their ancestor's flesh?

And don't give me that "self-made man" crap either. There's no such thing. Everyone who is wealthy benefitted either A) from previous wealth in their family or B) social and governmental programs such as free public education, laws that protect against discrimination, or public works that keep them alive.

Or what, MC, does your Uncle deserve his wealth because he's a "self-made man" but no one else deserves a chance to rise up above their beginnings and earn a living despite their race, sex, or disabilities? You're so intent on helping "poor widdle fetuses!" why not the black man? Why not the asian man? Why not the latin man? Why is it that "fetuses" deserve a "chance" but a person of color doesn't?

The next person to say "reverse discrimnation", I'm eating your first born child.

It's fine to call Affirmative Action discriminatory or discrimination, but "Reverse Discrimintion" is an idiotic non-sequitor dreampt up by the same folks who claim there's a "war on christmas" and a "war on Christianity".

*smacks him again* False. REVERSE DISCRIMINATION IS A NON-SEQUITOR. Is affirmative action discriminatory? Is it causing discrimination? Yes. I never said it wasn't. But it's not "reverse" discrimination because such a thing can't possibly exist. Discrimination is discrimination no matter how pretty or petty oyu want to paint it. Denying a person a job because they're black is descrimination. Denyiong someone a job because they're white is descrimination.





Fine, I'm ok with that. I'd also be in favor of giving preferential treatment to students who are of lower income levels. Because "daddy" buying a new wing for a school to get Johnny boy into a school while the kid who worked his a** off to get there gets told "sorry, you don't have enough moeny, lolz" is ******** up.



And how many subpar rich white folks ended up at Harvard that year? I was pushed out of MIT because of WASPs and had to go to a state university. I graduated highschool with an associates degree in civil engineering at 16. I have two bachelors degrees, one in civil engineering and one in nuclear engineering, and I'm 18. I've been in the military, and I scored a 1360 on my SAT's when the National Average for people who were supposed to be "older and wiser" than me was a little better than 1050. So, tell me, does a half-breed like me deserve a break? Do you know who took my spot? Some dickhead who was too stoned to even sit through his SAT's and got in because his dad's golf buddies with the Dean. How do I know it's him? Because he goes to MIT now and is roommates with my friend John. Oh sure, I can't definatively say that THAT particular person is the one who took my spot, but the fact that he's there and I was not, indicates a severe problem with the system. Can you say that I wasn't pushed out because Asian-American/Other was put on my application or that I was going there on a free ride and not paying 120,000 bucks a year?



Bzzt, wrong. I'm saying that the rich, white, bourgeoisie don't deserve SPECIAL treatment and that LEVELING the playing field by REQUIRING that minority students be accepted to college's that were previously all white is what is essential to the advancement of non-white people's in this country. I'm not saying that AA is doing this, I'm saying that a world with AA is merely better than a world where a poor, black student, who is just as good if not better than a rich, white student, can't get into college because of unfair standards that were designed in the 1920's SPECIFICALLY to keep "social undesirables" like a mix raced mongrel like myself out.



That's merely how I talk Nancy. Calm yourself before you bust a Bush loving arterie in that cranium of yours.

When did I say anything about rich, white, middle class women?

M

Did your grandfather have access to any of the following:

Social Security
Minimum Wage
Job Benefits (health care, safe work enviroment)
Legislation that prevented discrimination against him for being a minority (this includes the ability to get a job and hold it without being discriminated against for being Iranian)
Access to a place to LEARN English as a second language

Yes? Then he's not self-made. He's a product of hard work, that's for sure. But then again, so am I.

He's still not a "self-made" man however. The "self-made" man, does not NEED those things, because he pulls himself up by his own bootstraps, etc. ad hoc rhetoric.

If your grandfather was a "self-made man" he would have had to have been discrimated against at every turn, not given a job, if given a job had earnred less than minimum wage, faced dangerous working conditions and lived by his own physical prowess, and still gotten to the point he is at.

Barring that near impossibility, he's not a "self-made man".