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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:57 pm
I was recently talking to someone about a person who had very unkindly flame mailed me about being bi. While I verbally kicked the guys a**, I was told by the guy I was talking to that he used to flame gays and stuff, until one day he realised he was bi. However, he doesn't tell many people. Understandable, with so many hate crimes going around out there, but I got to thinking... Maybe closet homosexuality is more dangerous to the individual than being out in a place where homosexuality is looked down upon. Just the stress of it in the back of your mind can be horrible. It was for me back when I was in the closet. I was constantly afraid people would find out and, since I lived in Gerogia, I was afraid I'd become another Matthew Shaphard (God rest his soul). There were time when I got so stressed out and tired of it that, at times, I just wanted to end it. It got even worse when word got out, but I still wanted to be in the closet. A few times I was in the verge of suicide. Now that I am out, however, and I find that people are more accepting of it, I am not stressed out by it. When people ask me if I am bi/gay, I don't have to defend myself. However, coming out isn't an option for some, and some also don't have the self control to keep from comitting suicide if they were in such a position. Does anyone else agree with me that being in the closet could be more dangerous to non-heterosexuals than being out? neutral
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:02 pm
There are a lot of factors to consider in this, and as such, I wouldn't want to broadstroke it as "It's always better to be out/in." For example, it's probably better for a gay kid to come out as soon as he realizes it if he has an accepting family, while I, for example, am living with my parents while I go to university. My father is more conservative than any person I've ever met, ever, on every issue. My mother prefaces any sentence relating to homosexuality with "I don't care if people are gay, BUT ."
I've had to adjust, and I'm fortunate in that my parents' not knowing that I'm gay isn't a big deal to me. I'll just wait until the future when I'm self-sufficient and then completely disconnect from my father when I come out. My mother is more likely to be accepting, so that's good. My father will probably "disown" me, but I loathe and despise him and everything he stands for and honestly think the world would be better without him, so I intend to disown him first.
I disagree that "coming out isn't an option for some." It is always an option, but the consequences of it may be too dire (i.e. loss of home/tuition/job/risk of physical harm) and in such cases, it is up to the individual to decide whether or not the increased stress from discrimination is worth the reduced stress from not keeping secrets, based on their surroundings.
With regard to your question, I suppose I technically do agree, though, that being in the closet can cause problems for the individual, if they have to go to extreme lengths, such as repressing emotions, to stay there. I suppose I have it easier because I purchased my own computer so I have an easy access outlet to the world where I can do whatever I want.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:16 pm
Generally (saying this because there are always exceptions), hiding anything -- at least something central to your being; sexuality, religion, strong opinions, etc. -- is unhealthy in a way. You become to focused on having to hide that particular thing that you become less focused on other things. In my experience, being paranoid about hiding it can also lead to sort of twisting what you see or hear. I remember at a part once, one of the girls said something along the lines of "I think we have someone missing here" but I heard it as "I think we have a lesbian here." Made me a bit paranoid, until I went over what she said and realized she didn't actually say that. And it's all silly that I would react like that, because I was openly a pro-gay rights advocate. But that's what the closet will do to you.
And, of course, there are pople who because so paranoid about being forced out of the closet that they become extremely homophobic as a defense. In fact, homophobes, in general, have an increased chance of of actually being gay and hiding their own sexuality for this same reason. And this is not only bad for any GLBT folks around them, but also harms their own self-esteem.
It can be dangerous to be out in a very conservative place. But at least if you're out, you can face the accusations, homophobia, etc. head-on.
(Of course, this is ignoring extreme circumstances where someone will be abused or worse by family or even government if they come out.)
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:19 pm
I'd say that getting kicked out of your home and then beaten to death by an angry mob is a shade worse than being stressed out.
If you're genuinely in a hostile environment, then by all means, keep it hidden until you can leave.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:57 pm
Personally, I'd tend to agree. The stress of keeping my attractions to myself just became too great, and I almost snapped under the weight. When I came out, I felt as if the weight of the world was off my shoulders. I would rather have had people come at me than deal with the internal stress. Because mobs of people can be fought with fist and sword, and those are my weapons. Internal daemons are much more difficult to battle.
But, yeah, my mom disowned me when she found out. gonk I'm not sure whether my dad and stepmother know, but I'm not keen to find out anymore. I just don't care.
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:06 am
Cougar Draven Because mobs of people can be fought with fist and sword, and those are my weapons. Internal daemons are much more difficult to battle. Such as bad spelling influenced by Phillip Pullman? Seriously, man, I have to ask. How many people HAVE you fought off with a sword when they attack you over your sexuality?
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:00 am
ReiDuck Cougar Draven Because mobs of people can be fought with fist and sword, and those are my weapons. Internal daemons are much more difficult to battle. Such as bad spelling influenced by Phillip Pullman? Seriously, man, I have to ask. How many people HAVE you fought off with a sword when they attack you over your sexuality? 3. We were all very drunk, and I happened to have access to a wakizashi. I usually just fight. And spelling "daemon" as such is just habit. I've been doing that for years.
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:19 am
Cougar Draven ReiDuck Cougar Draven Because mobs of people can be fought with fist and sword, and those are my weapons. Internal daemons are much more difficult to battle. Such as bad spelling influenced by Phillip Pullman? Seriously, man, I have to ask. How many people HAVE you fought off with a sword when they attack you over your sexuality? 3. We were all very drunk, and I happened to have access to a wakizashi. I usually just fight. And spelling "daemon" as such is just habit. I've been doing that for years. And you spent how many years in prison for assault with a lethal weapon?
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:29 am
ReiDuck Cougar Draven ReiDuck Cougar Draven Because mobs of people can be fought with fist and sword, and those are my weapons. Internal daemons are much more difficult to battle. Such as bad spelling influenced by Phillip Pullman? Seriously, man, I have to ask. How many people HAVE you fought off with a sword when they attack you over your sexuality? 3. We were all very drunk, and I happened to have access to a wakizashi. I usually just fight. And spelling "daemon" as such is just habit. I've been doing that for years. And you spent how many years in prison for assault with a lethal weapon? None. I don't get caught. I've never been arrested for the fights I've been in.
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:50 pm
Cougar Draven ReiDuck Cougar Draven ReiDuck Cougar Draven Because mobs of people can be fought with fist and sword, and those are my weapons. Internal daemons are much more difficult to battle. Such as bad spelling influenced by Phillip Pullman? Seriously, man, I have to ask. How many people HAVE you fought off with a sword when they attack you over your sexuality? 3. We were all very drunk, and I happened to have access to a wakizashi. I usually just fight. And spelling "daemon" as such is just habit. I've been doing that for years. And you spent how many years in prison for assault with a lethal weapon? None. I don't get caught. I've never been arrested for the fights I've been in. See, here's where I'm having a problem. If you used a wakizashi on them, either they died and you cleverly hid the bodies, or they were mutilated and did not seek medical attention, or you didn't really hurt them with it. Someone shows up in the hospital with knife wounds, there's gonna be an investigation.
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:00 pm
ReiDuck Cougar Draven ReiDuck Cougar Draven ReiDuck Cougar Draven Because mobs of people can be fought with fist and sword, and those are my weapons. Internal daemons are much more difficult to battle. Such as bad spelling influenced by Phillip Pullman? Seriously, man, I have to ask. How many people HAVE you fought off with a sword when they attack you over your sexuality? 3. We were all very drunk, and I happened to have access to a wakizashi. I usually just fight. And spelling "daemon" as such is just habit. I've been doing that for years. And you spent how many years in prison for assault with a lethal weapon? None. I don't get caught. I've never been arrested for the fights I've been in. See, here's where I'm having a problem. If you used a wakizashi on them, either they died and you cleverly hid the bodies, or they were mutilated and did not seek medical attention, or you didn't really hurt them with it. Someone shows up in the hospital with knife wounds, there's gonna be an investigation. It could have been minor. If he was drunk, he may not be as accurate. Anyhoo, in some places being gay is still a crime (I think, is that right?) so it may be best to hide it if that's the case..
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:56 pm
Irony at it's best
Once that is let out, that one is what they flame, game over
I consider myself a "closet homosexual", not only 'cause I hide it, only 'cause I haven't told anyone BUT my mom and some close friends And it's not like I'm ashamed or the like but no one asks me It's stupid but if someone asks me if I am, I'll answer them I don't think it's a big deal, really And I only do this 'cause people are retarded and some go all "OmGUrGhEyLollz" and won't get off my back x.o
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:59 pm
ReiDuck I'd say that getting kicked out of your home and then beaten to death by an angry mob is a shade worse than being stressed out.If you're genuinely in a hostile environment, then by all means, keep it hidden until you can leave. Agreed >_> ::isremindedofBrokebackMountain:: Poor old man Dx gah...make me cringe
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:37 am
I think it can cause internal stress which can lead to health issues, especially if you take it to extreams and marry as a straight person when that's not what you want.
And on a somewhat related note: men who are homophobic show more arousal to gay porn than men who are not. Random tidbit of information I felt like throwing out there.
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:28 pm
I remember being extremely frightened when I first came out, but the emotional stress and the paranoia that someone might "find me out" was nearly driving me insane. While I can understand why people might decide to stay in the closet I ultimately think it causes more harm than good.
I remember watching Brokeback Mountain and taking away from it the message that homophobia hurts everyone - not just those in the closet. I can't see how in the long run denying a part of yourself that you had no say in could do anything positive.
Or as I like to say when I'm told I "chose" to be gay: "The only 'choice' I ever made was not to hide who I really was."
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