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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:44 pm
Ok. Today, I decided to look up facts about homosexuality, to try to show this one kid in my class who is way to overly confident that he is right in homosexuality being un-normal and should not be allowed... when I came across this...
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Myth #5: Homosexuals are normal, healthy, everyday people.

While the American culture promotes “having it all,” it is likely that most individuals just want to be accepted and appreciated. Homosexuals are no different. They have been wounded by rejection and, in general, seem to say whatever it takes to be considered “normal.” Ironically though, society’s intolerance doesn’t seem to be what’s driving homosexuals into more risky and dangerous behavior. In fact, such conduct tends to exist most intensely in places where homosexuals face the least amount of disapproval—such as large cities like New York and San Francisco or on college campuses with concentrated gay communities.

Fact: Contrary to claims made by gay activists, homosexually active persons as a group appear to be less psychologically healthy than the general population.


There are several areas where the average homosexual differs from the average, normal, "everyday” heterosexual. Research has shown that men and women living homosexually are at substantially higher risk for some forms of emotional problems, including suicidality, major depression and anxiety disorder, conduct disorder and nicotine dependence.17 For instance, one twin-study found that men with same-sex partners are 6.5 times as likely as their co-twins to attempt suicide.18 Another study found that a substantial percentage of gay males and lesbians report some participation in illegal drug use.19

Why does the truth matter?

In the book of Romans Paul states that homosexuality is “unnatural.” But some homosexuals will tell you they’ve been attracted to people of the same sex for as long as they can remember—in other words, it just feels natural to them. Unfortunately, their feelings do not justify their actions. “Sin” is any behavior that is displeasing to God. We live in a fallen world and sin has distorted our perception of truth—so, what someone may consider as natural or normal still cannot change the truth of God’s moral laws found in the Bible.

Homosexuality is only one symptom of fallen humanity. In our brokenness of human nature, we have an undeniable inner craving to be whole. And yet, maybe it’s because of our sinful nature that we (homosexuals and heterosexuals) seek wholeness in the wrong areas. Whether we’re struggling with same-sex attractions, pornography, envy or lying, it’s easy to want to slap a label of “normal” or “healthy” on ourselves to try to justify our sinful behaviors. But a label will never cover the deep wounds of people entangled in a life that is displeasing to God. The only place a person can find healing and wholeness is at the foot of the cross.

Things like this just piss me off greatly. The make homosexuality seem bad because people who are homosexual "appear to be less psychologically healthy than the general population." and are likely to " some participation in illegal drug use" and are also more likely to commit suicide.

Well 1...
Alot of people (gay, bi or straight) are likely to participate in drug use.

And 2...
Maybe homosexuals are less psychologically healthy and more likely to commit suicide because of people like the creator of this quote I found try to pound in to the brains of everyone that being homosexual is unnatural and should not be accepted and therefore more people around them are likely to give them a hard time because they were brainwashed into thinking homosexuality is a "Sin" etc...

Yeah... this is the end of my rant.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:01 pm
Yeah, I agree with the points you made about the drug use and the mental stuff. I was thinking the same thing as I read it. It does annoy me too. I just wish people would be tolerant and everyone could get along. (Man I sound like a hippie.)  

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:11 pm
Before I say this I want you people to know that one of my best friends is homosexual. So hopefully that get the point across that I'm not just trying to bash on anyone or anything like that.

I honestly do see it as something is wrong with them. I think it's like any other mental disease. I see it as they have a problem, like diabetes or a sickness. If people say it's natural, then the only way I seeing it beng natural is because of genetic mutations. Genetic mutations are in of and themselves errors in the genetic coding of a person. Why do we look at them and see a normal person, instead of someone suffering from an affliction. Why don't we put it into a category like other mental health diseases.

#1. Well, studies can be skewed any way you want them to be. If you take the time, and find the right study.

#2. If this is true, it's because they feel on the outside. Because they want to be accepted.

#3. Meh, I understand what it's saying, but if they want to convince people outside of the church they shouldn't bring religion into it at all.

((If my friend ever see's this there might be some explaining to do. ninja ))  
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:45 pm
Well if its like a mental disease, I can see where they are comeing from. But the thing really pisses me off about it is the
"Homosexuals are just one symptom of our fallen society" part.
I just wish that people who don't aprove of homosexuals just keep it to that and not give them s**t, because really, they have no right to (or shouldn't have a right to).
Truthfully, if there was a 100% effective and free treatment to cure homosexuality, I wouldn't take it because I like my Bisexal(leaning twords homosexual)-ness. And really, all I think bisexual hetero and homo has to do with is what one person finds "Atractive". And if you shouldn't base your relationships on "Looks" then wouldn't it be possible for anyone "Gay or straight" to fall in love with a man or woman? Because girls and boys can have the same (or pretty close) personalities and interests, and isn't that what true relationships are based on?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:58 pm
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And really, all I think bisexual hetero and homo has to do with is what one person finds "Atractive". And if you shouldn't base your relationships on "Looks" then wouldn't it be possible for anyone "Gay or straight" to fall in love with a man or woman? Because girls and boys can have the same (or pretty close) personalities and interests, and isn't that what true relationships are based on?
(Man I love discussions)
This part I find interesting. It raises a good question. I don't base my relationships on looks at all, and yeah, you're right about guys and girls having similar personalities sometimes. My boyfriend is so into girly things, that a lot of people think he's gay, and me, well, a bunch of my friends actually thought I was a guy for like the first week that they knew me. I honestly have no idea what my sexuality is, and it doesn't bother me much anymore. I've got something right now that works, and I love him for things that I don't find in most guys, femmy things I guess, but I think he's a good mix between masculine and feminine. And we compliment each other, 'cuz I dislike a lot of girly s**t, I'm the pants in the relationship, lol. But most guys don't like how much of a tomboy I am, and sometimes it annoys him too, but not as bad. We switch, and that's cool. It's so hard to find a straight guy like that. But I'm way off track. The question you raise is a good one. I think you're right. I think sexuality is probably a lot more fluid than people want to admit. So I don't really try to define myself much anymore.  
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:08 pm
I think sexual orientation is just another lable that people like to slap on to everyone. I am not trying to be mean about it or anything, but you love you who love, should it really matter so much?
(thats really interesting about you and your relationship)
And as you said, I really don't know what my sexuality is and it doesn't really bother me. mrgreen
 

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:53 pm
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Well if its like a mental disease, I can see where they are comeing from. But the thing really pisses me off about it is the
"Homosexuals are just one symptom of our fallen society" part.
I just wish that people who don't aprove of homosexuals just keep it to that and not give them s**t, because really, they have no right to (or shouldn't have a right to).


Your right though, there's no reason for people to go out of their way to be mean to anyone. For any reason.

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Truthfully, if there was a 100% effective and free treatment to cure homosexuality, I wouldn't take it because I like my Bisexal(leaning twords homosexual)-ness. And really, all I think bisexual hetero and homo has to do with is what one person finds "Atractive". And if you shouldn't base your relationships on "Looks" then wouldn't it be possible for anyone "Gay or straight" to fall in love with a man or woman? Because girls and boys can have the same (or pretty close) personalities and interests, and isn't that what true relationships are based on?
(Man I love discussions)


If that's the case. Then why would it be wrong to go out and say marry your mather/father? Why would it be wrong to sleep with your kids? What would be wrong with loving your cousin?

The only difference would be that it's taboo, right? At some point "loving" someone of the same sex was taboo also. What's the difference then?

-----------------------------------------------------On another note. ninja

Personally I think the reason homosexuality has become an issue, is because have been blurring lines for ages. Finally the line between being good friends and love got so blurred that people have started to think of them as the same thing sometimes.  
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:27 pm
Really, that "dating within family" and kids and all that is nowhere near the same thing as 2 males or 2 females dating.  

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:39 pm
This disscusion reminds me of something I found a long time ago
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Top Ten Reasons to Make Gay Marriage Illegal

01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all like many of the principles on which this great country was founded; women are still property, blacks still can’t marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of marriages like Britney Spears’ 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren’t full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

0 cool Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That’s why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven’t adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:02 pm
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Really, that "dating within family" and kids and all that is nowhere near the same thing as 2 males or 2 females dating.


How so? You were talking about outward appearance. About how their body doesn't matter, it's what's inside that counts.  

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:05 pm
Ah, the puns on Gay marriage. Humor works well when trying to get someone used to an idea, or on your side for something.  
PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:10 pm
Well one, when you date within your family, any kids you have are more likely to be born with problems.
And seriously the only difference in relationships between 2 males that difers between a relationship between a man and a woman is that 2 males can't have sex... well they can... its just not very healthy, and they cant produce children between eachother. So other than that, there is nothing wrong about that... and truthfully, are world is not having a children shortage (no where near) so that shouldn't be a problem. Think about gay couples as adding a balence for the families that have like 7 kids (just trying to add humor lol ).
 

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:51 pm
Who says that you can't have a relationship like that within your family?  
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:13 am
Wow, this topic is doing well. heart Good discussion. Sorry I've not been posting lately-ish. I've got some kind of nasty cold and only get on to check my pms and stuff.

I don't really mind homosexuals, I've never encountered any in real life. My town is small, as I've said before, and everyone is white and straight. Mostly from movies and shows (And manga... sweatdrop ), but I know they overexaggerate everything.

There were these girls once before at my school that claimed to be bi just because it was becoming a trend sweatdrop That was just the craziest thing ever...
 

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:12 pm
One thing I've always wondered, is how they decide that they are homosexual. Is it just that they decide that they hate the opposite sex enough that they don't want to have anything to do with them? Or is it more like they just think that their own sex is more attractive then the opposite sex is? Or is it that they just sit down and decide that they are homosexual?

meh, doesn't make sense to me. Can anyone enlighten me a bit?  
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