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 Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:55 pm
Before I get millions of people flamming me for this topic, I would like to discuss what I should expect of this topic.
The war in Iraq seems to be a big issue in the world right now, besides the atomic bombs in North Korea. Anyhow, i have some opinions i would like to state before handing off this topic.
Do you think this war is right?
Or
Are you against this war at all costs.
I am against this war. Therefore, I will state my opinions on this matter. I do not like this war. What is it bringing to the world? What does war mean to you? Peace? Freedom? Innocence? Well, in this war, I don't see any of that. There is no peace in the middle east. There is no freedom for them. Any suspcion of being dangerous, they get locked up. Even the innocent! And daily, the innocent are also being involved. Many being killed. Where is the just in this! I know America is only trying to establish a new system of government, but, does it seem to be working? Obviously not, since we've spent god only knows how long on trying to help them. I hate war. I hate innocent people being killed. I hate how our troops barge into random people's houses. I do support our troops, and disapprove of how their dying one by one. Yet, can you all not see the effect of this war? We are running short on troops. I can see it now, a draft. The boys I go to highschool with now, may be drafted to Iraq by the time we graduate. It's a horrible picture. No matter how hard we try to make peace, no peace will come the the Middle East. As far as I can see, there will always be war. No peace. Although, it was what we all hope for. Peace. But will it ever come?
So, if you didn't read that, then please don't post. I would like you all to stay relevant to this topic.
Now, please discuss your thoughts.
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 12:36 pm
1. Iraqi war is for oil.
2. Bush is uses 9-11 (an almost un linkable event) to Iraq.
3. Now that the house has gone Democratic, Bush is being forced into a troop withdraw from what at least some of America is finding out is actually a pointless war.
4. During the pre-troop landing bombings, American bombers killed thousands of Iraqi civilians, including over an estimated 10,000 Iraqi children.
5. Operation Iraqi Liberation = O.I.L.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 7:12 pm
That is true. I agree with you.
I didn't realize that until recently. But oil. Oh my. As stupid as that is, does America need to sacrifice people just for oil? Ah, I don't get politics and they're stupid irrational reasoning sometimes.
I mean, we're not even running out of oil. We just don't want to use our own oil.
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:37 pm
People are only human. And humans are susceptible to greed. Mix Greed and Power. Well, you have Bush Jr. and a country's with oil. Things happen. Sometimes, they are terrible things.
Most wars fought were terrible wars. The Opium War was the British slaughtering Chinese, because the Emperor wanted to STOP the selling on opium in the country that was causing mass addiction and social infrastructure failure.
But here's the problem: Whether or not this war is just (it's not.) and whether or not we are doing the right thing (The troops are: following orders with the best intent, but lead by corrupt leaders). Can we REALLY just LEAVE Iraq?
I dont WANT to be in Iraq. I dont want a war, and I dont want a draft. I dont want more blood spilled for oil, or politics or spheres of influence.
But what happens if we leave? Can we, as a people, really just go into a country, ransack it, tear it's infrastructure apart, and then leave it in shambles? We made that mess, and really, if we leave now: OUR troops may not die, but what about the people who live there?
The Sunni, Shite and Kurds will have no common enemy anymore, and so...well.
If I had to make a plan, if it were up to me, here's what I would do. REDRAW THE LINES. That's were most of the trouble lies: there are conflicting groups under 1 government. Give the Sunni their own country, give the Shite their own, and the Kurds there's.
But even that causes problems. Will it become another Israel/Pakistan? How do we help THEM agree and adhere to any boundaries set up?
Whether or not we are right or wrong; we're in. Leaving wont solve the problem. Maybe we'll be safe, but wouldn't their blood be on our hands if things get worse once we leave?
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:28 am
Very true. It would seem that splitting the area up into separate regions is the only somewhat probable answer to all this, but yeah, it would cause problems as then we would have conflict still between the three. I think, that it should really not be of our consern. America needs to quit playing the "vigilante" and just leave them to do what they wish to themselves. America no longer wants to be there. The newly democratic shifted government doesn't want to be there. The people of Iraq don't even want us to be there. It's only Bush who is holding us there, but it does look like it's finally reaching a turning point were as they are (or may already have) rejected the president's "return the troops soon" veto. Bush won't go down with out a fight though...
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:00 pm
In all probability. Master Draxxus 2. Bush is uses 9-11 (an almost un linkable event) to Iraq. I don't recall him explicitly saying that the Hussein regime helped Al Qaida. Master Draxxus 3. Now that the house has gone Democratic, Bush is being forced into a troop withdraw from what at least some of America is finding out is actually a pointless war. War has been declared, Congress can't force Bush into a troop withdraw. Master Draxxus 4. During the pre-troop landing bombings, American bombers killed thousands of Iraqi civilians, including over an estimated 10,000 Iraqi children. Well that is kind of what happens when you drop bombs on cities. You also failed to mention though, we destroyed every plane in the Iraqi Air Force, and crippled the Iraqi Army. SO 10,000 civilians I feel was a reasonable loss of life. Master Draxxus 5. Operation Iraqi Liberation = O.I.L. There is no such thing as Operation Iraqi Liberation. It's Operation Iraqi Freedom, and Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan. That's OIF and OEF.
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Tzeentch The Mutator Crew
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:01 pm
Master Draxxus Very true. It would seem that splitting the area up into separate regions is the only somewhat probable answer to all this, but yeah, it would cause problems as then we would have conflict still between the three. I think, that it should really not be of our consern. America needs to quit playing the "vigilante" and just leave them to do what they wish to themselves. America no longer wants to be there. The newly democratic shifted government doesn't want to be there. The people of Iraq don't even want us to be there. It's only Bush who is holding us there, but it does look like it's finally reaching a turning point were as they are (or may already have) rejected the president's "return the troops soon" veto. Bush won't go down with out a fight though...
But we also need to consider the loss of human life. No, they dont want us there. But if we leave, and things go out of the frying pan into the fire, it will just a big old "I told you so" from the Bush Administration.
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:00 am
Leomund In all probability. Master Draxxus 2. Bush is uses 9-11 (an almost un linkable event) to Iraq. I don't recall him explicitly saying that the Hussein regime helped Al Qaida. Master Draxxus 3. Now that the house has gone Democratic, Bush is being forced into a troop withdraw from what at least some of America is finding out is actually a pointless war. War has been declared, Congress can't force Bush into a troop withdraw. Master Draxxus 4. During the pre-troop landing bombings, American bombers killed thousands of Iraqi civilians, including over an estimated 10,000 Iraqi children. Well that is kind of what happens when you drop bombs on cities. You also failed to mention though, we destroyed every plane in the Iraqi Air Force, and crippled the Iraqi Army. SO 10,000 civilians I feel was a reasonable loss of life. Master Draxxus 5. Operation Iraqi Liberation = O.I.L. There is no such thing as Operation Iraqi Liberation. It's Operation Iraqi Freedom, and Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan. That's OIF and OEF.
Congress can't really force bush into a troop withdraw, but his time is running out, being his second term, and now that congress is leaning more towards democratic (which at the moment is generally more anti-war than the republicans) it seems like it's only a matter of time before we exit this pointless war, which is now, the longest war in history i think? If not then it is really close to that. This long of a struggle and for what?
It was much more than 10,000 civilians. That is just the children. So we crippled their army. Their army wasn't really anything much to begin with, and now that they don't really have a working military structure, they are forced into more terrorism, which seems harder to fight.
I was OIL for a short while back when this all began. It was changed for obvious reasons. Plus, that one was just a "fun" fact.
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:06 am
D _Matt Jeevas_ N Master Draxxus Very true. It would seem that splitting the area up into separate regions is the only somewhat probable answer to all this, but yeah, it would cause problems as then we would have conflict still between the three. I think, that it should really not be of our consern. America needs to quit playing the "vigilante" and just leave them to do what they wish to themselves. America no longer wants to be there. The newly democratic shifted government doesn't want to be there. The people of Iraq don't even want us to be there. It's only Bush who is holding us there, but it does look like it's finally reaching a turning point were as they are (or may already have) rejected the president's "return the troops soon" veto. Bush won't go down with out a fight though...
But we also need to consider the loss of human life. No, they dont want us there. But if we leave, and things go out of the frying pan into the fire, it will just a big old "I told you so" from the Bush Administration.
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:44 am
I'll agree that Bush capitalized on people's fear to invade Iraq. He said they "funded terrorism" not that they funded 9/11.
If another republican is elected this war could go on for another four years.
I'm just going to flat out say it, I don't care about these people. I realize that the deaths of alot of people is bad, but I am not emotionally attached to that life, so I find it difficult to dredge up some emotion amount it.
It was OIL for one press conference. Those words are completely legitimate with reference to the destruction of Hussein regime. I think it was less of a "let's clandestinely tell the people what the war is about", and more of a "Aw ********, that spells what!?"
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Tzeentch The Mutator Crew
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 8:58 am
Leomund I'll agree that Bush capitalized on people's fear to invade Iraq. He said they "funded terrorism" not that they funded 9/11. If another republican is elected this war could go on for another four years. I'm just going to flat out say it, I don't care about these people. I realize that the deaths of alot of people is bad, but I am not emotionally attached to that life, so I find it difficult to dredge up some emotion amount it. It was OIL for one press conference. Those words are completely legitimate with reference to the destruction of Hussein regime. I think it was less of a "let's clandestinely tell the people what the war is about", and more of a "Aw ********, that spells what!?"
"They are harboring the terrorist group that attacked United States civilians on 9/11..." Bush
Not a direct quote, but you know you have heard it. Yet the CIA research of 9/11 shows that the majority of the attack was done by Suadi Arabians, and that Iraq had very little, if not close to nothing to do with it. 9/11 would work as an excuse if we were in Suadi Arabia, but he used it multiple times in defense of us being in Iraq.
The way the public is growing more anti-war and the growing democratic house, it looks like the chances are we will be democratic again, but I do agree with you there.
Exactly. We shouldn't care about these people enough to go to war with then "to help their backwards ways" Let them kill each other off. Same thing is happening all over the third world, so why focus on Iraq? Oh yeah, Oil.
Yeah, I know OIL wasn't meant to be subliminal in anyway. It was just funny how they changed it to OIF and I was like, wait. The other day they kept calling it... ohhhhhhh! I get it!
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:48 pm
I really haven't cared about the Middle East except to want to go to Iraq so I can make all the extra pay tax free. I wouldn't care if we pulled out tomorrow. I just don't think we'll leave until we're sure we've installed a stable puppet government to funnel cheap oil to us.
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Tzeentch The Mutator Crew
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:09 pm
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