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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:49 pm


GREETINGS TO YOU ALL! Umm... Right now, I would just like to announce that this one will be starting up soon. I have to get more time before I can actually post anything for a lesson, but as the title suggests, you won't just be reading here. I encourage all of you here to contrubute directly to any lessons, since strategy must be an ever-changing thing. For now, if anyone has any little tidbits of advice or any particular battles/questions in mind, post away!
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:01 am


*walks in* awww, nothing to steal sad

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:50 am


Capt. Confusticus
*walks in* awww, nothing to steal sad
lol poor u lol neva mind maby next time
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:26 pm


I've gotta a question. You're in a city, we'll make it the ghetto. You are also in....China (no offense, but they seem like an strong enemy). You are surrounded. No radio contact becuase this was a covert operation, and the nearest ship is 3 days away. Planes are 6 days away (aircraft carrier). You are also low on ammo because you had been fighting for 2 days. Your mission is accomplished ahead of schedule. What do you do? Tell me what you would do and I will tell you what I would do.

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Jan-san
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:53 pm


That's a rather tricky question. If the mission is already accomplished, I can assume I'm not the top priority and just try to last it out, possibly trying to disguise myself (Although how any of us can pass as Chinese without being Chinese in the first place is beyond me) or just hiding. No radio makes it only harder... I would slowly try to move to either a predetermined extraction point and linger, moving around but staying within the area, or moving to the nearest neighboring nation EXCEPT North Korea. Hong Kong or Taiwan, if you can get on a boat or a makeshift raft, although that might be only in the movies... Once you're there, find the nearest embassy and radio out. Surrounded makes this nearly impossible though... And the ammo situation can be improved by taking the enemy one at a time and taking whatever they're using.

Anyone else, also respond! First real post coming up!
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:13 pm


You're not thinking out of the box. You're thinking like you want to make a movie. I said it's a city, right? What does every city have? A sewage system. I would go to the nearest manhole and enter it. Being the last to enter after my team of course. But you have to be sneaky. Take a civilian off the street and take his clothes. Make sure that your face is covered with something so they don't know that your not American. Slowly and steadily walk by them, as if there is nothing to worry you. Then just keep going. Once you are about twenty or thirty blocks away, start looking for a manhole. Once you find one, lift it and enter the sewage system. Make sure that you close it behind you so that they don't think anything of it. Make sure that you have a spot for your team to meet up. You will want to spread out so that if you should get captured, there is someone else to tell the man/woman in charge and they can start on a rescue effort. Once you and you team has reassembled, move out to thw ocean. When you are close enough. Use what money you have to rent a bout. One that can get you far in a short amount of time, but still has good gas mileage and a big tank. If you have no money, Make a raft, or rob and steal little by little. Once you do have a boat, use what you know to make it back to the fleet. Make sure you have some food or make-shift fishing rods so you can get food. And keep everyone hydrated. Once you have reach the nearest US boat, make sure you have something to signal that you are someone important or in need of help. I would use a white cloth or simething of that sort. Even a white fish if it works. Get on the boat, tell the men around you who you are and request to speak with the Commanding Officer. Tell them who is missing and who is injured and how badly. Then take it easy. Eat, drink water, sleep. And then you have the de-breifing and all that other stupid stuff. But that is how I would get out of there.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:36 pm


I've decided to start with a relatively old battle. In the US Civil War, the first really modern war tactics were developed as a result of new technology, such as rifled barrels and dependable artillery. This particular series of posts will be about the Battle of Antietam. But first, a little backround...
The Battle of Antietam (September 17, 1862) took place near Sharpsburg, Maryland and Antietam Creek. It was the first major battle in the American Civil War to take place on Northern soil. It was the bloodiest single-day battle in American history (To that point... More later), with almost 23,000 casualties.
After pursuing Confederate General Robert E. Lee into Maryland, Union Army Major General George B. McClellan launched attacks against Lee's army, in defensive positions behind Antietam Creek. Despite having superiority of numbers, McClellan's attack failed to achieve concentration of mass, resulting in a three-phase battle that Lee was able to counter by shifting forces to meet each challenge. Despite ample reserve forces that could have been deployed to exploit localized successes, McClellan failed to destroy Lee's army. (For those who aren't familiar with their Civil War generals, McClellan was always a rather talented general, but he was also always overly-cautious in battles, allowing his enemies to gather strength, build defenses, or counter-attack. Also more on that later.)
Map of intial troop positions!
NUMBERS:
Lee (CSA Forces): 45,000
McClellan (USA Forces): 87,000 OBVIOUS ADVANTAGE
Union soldiers (Corporal Barton W. Mitchell and First Sergeant John M. Bloss of the 27th Indiana Volunteer Infantry) discovered a mislaid copy of the detailed battle plans of Lee's army—Special Order 191—wrapped around three cigars. The order indicated that Lee had divided his army and dispersed portions geographically (to Harpers Ferry, West Virginia, and Hagerstown, Maryland), thus making each subject to isolation and defeat in detail if McClellan could move quickly enough. McClellan waited about 18 hours before deciding to take advantage of this intelligence and position his forces based on it, thus squandering a golden opportunity to defeat Lee decisively. Lee got word that his plans were known beforehand, and moved his few troops into a defensive position behind the creek. it was good for keeping his infantry safe, but the creek could be easily overcome and the only retreat route was a single bridge accross the Potomac River. At this point, only 18,000 of Lee's total amount of men were present.
The first two Union divisions arrived on the afternoon of September 15 and the bulk of the remainder of the army late that evening. Although an immediate Union attack on the morning of September 16 would have had an overwhelming advantage in numbers, McClellan's trademark caution and his belief that Lee had over 100,000 men, caused him to delay his attack for a day. During this time, Gen. Longtreet and Gen. Stonewall Jackson arrived, using their men to help defend the N & S flanks.
On the evening of the 16th, McClellan finally ordered Maj. Gen. John Hooker to cross the creek and Brig. Gen George Meade's division cautiously attacked the Confederates near the East Woods. After darkness, artillery fire continued as McClellan continued to position his troops. McClellan's plan was to overwhelm the enemy's left flank. He hoped to use the positions of nearby bridges dominated by CSA troops. McClellan planned to commit more than half of his army to the assault, starting with two corps, supported by a third, and if necessary a fourth. Simultaneously, he intended to launch a diversionary attack against the Confederate right with a fifth corps, and was prepared to strike the center with his reserves if either attack succeeded. Unfortunately, Lee was no moron. The skirmish in the East Woods served to signal McClellan's intentions to Lee, who prepared his defenses accordingly. He shifted men to his left flank and sent urgent messages to his two commanders who had not yet arrived on the battlefield.
McClellan's plans were ill-coordinated and would be executed poorly. He issued to each of his subordinate commanders only the orders for his own corps, not general orders describing the entire battle plan. The terrain of the battlefield made it difficult for those commanders to monitor events outside of their sectors and McClellan's headquarters were more than a mile in the rear. (COMMUNICATION!) Therefore, the battle progressed the next day as essentially three separate, mostly uncoordinated battles: morning in the northern end of the battlefield, mid-day in the center, and afternoon in the south. This lack of coordination and concentration of McClellan's forces almost completely nullified the two-to-one advantage the Union enjoyed and allowed Lee to shift his defensive forces to parry each thrust.
The Next Morning: 17th
The battle opened around 5:30 a.m with an attack by the Union I Corps under Joe Hooker. Hooker's objective was the plateau on which the Dunker Church sat, a modest whitewashed building belonging to a local sect of German Baptists. Hooker had approximately 8,600 men, little more than the 7,700 defenders under Stonewall Jackson, and this slight disparity was more than offset by the Confederates' strong defensive positions.
As the first Union men emerged from the North Woods and into the Cornfield, an artillery duel erupted. Confederate fire was from the horse artillery batteries under Jeb Stuart to the west and four batteries under Col. Stephen D. Lee on the high ground across the pike from the Dunker Church to the south. Union return fire was from nine batteries on the ridge behind the North Woods and four batteries of 20-pounder Parrott rifles, 2 miles east of Antietam Creek. The conflagration caused heavy casualties on both sides and was described by Col. Lee as "artillery Hell." Seeing the glint of Confederate bayonets concealed in the Cornfield, Hooker halted his infantry and brought up four batteries of artillery, which fired shell and canister over the heads of the Federal infantry, covering the field. The artillery and rifle fire from both sides acted like a scythe, cutting down cornstalks and men alike. However, the CSA quickly recovered and USA troops were forced back, aided by Lee's artillery fire. The reinforcements that the US forces had expected, brigades under Brig. Gen. George L. Hartsuff and Col. William A. Christian, had difficulties reaching the scene. Hartsuff was wounded by a shell and Christian dismounted and fled to the rear in terror. As the superior Union numbers began to tell, the Louisiana "Tiger" Brigade under Harry Hays entered the fray and forced the Union men back to the East Woods. (The casualties received by the 12th Massachusetts infantry, 67%, were the highest of any unit that day.) The Tigers were beaten back eventually when the Federals brought up a battery of 3-inch ordnance rifles and rolled them directly into the Cornfield, point-blank fire that slaughtered the Tigers, who lost 323 of their 500 men.
Federal advances a few hundred yards to the west were more successful. Brig. Gen. John Gibbon's 4th Brigade of Doubleday's division (recently named the Iron Brigade) advanced down the turnpike, pushing aside Jackson's men. They were halted by a charge of 1,150 men. However, the leader of the charge was mortally wounded and the Confederate brigade withdrew. A large gap was now torn in Jackson's defensive line, which teetered near collapse. Although the cost was steep, Hooker's corps was making steady progress.
Fortunately for the Confederates, reinforcements were arriving. Just after 7 a.m., the divisions under McLaws and Richard H. Anderson arrived following a night march from Harpers Ferry. Around 7:15, General Lee moved George T. Anderson's Georgia brigade from the right flank of the army to aid Jackson.
At 7 a.m., Hood's division of 2,300 men advanced through the West Woods and pushed the Union troops back through the Cornfield again. (The Texans attacked with particular ferocity because as they were called from their reserve position they were forced to interrupt the first hot breakfast they had had in days.) They were aided by three brigades of D.H. Hill's division arriving from the Mumma Farm, southeast of the Cornfield, and by Jubal Early's brigade, pushing through the West Woods from the Nicodemus Farm, where they had been supporting Jeb Stuart's horse artillery. Hood's men bore the brunt of the fighting, however, and paid a heavy price—60% casualties—but they were able to prevent the defensive line from crumbling and held off the I Corps. When asked by a fellow officer where his division was, Hood replied, "Dead on the field."
Hooker's men had also paid heavily, but without achieving their objectives. After two hours and 2,500 casualties, they were back where they started. The Cornfield, an area no more than 250 yards deep than 400 yards wide, was a scene of indescribable destruction. Hooker's report stated: "... every stalk of corn in the northern and greater part of the field was cut as closely as could have been done with a knife, and the [Confederates] slain lay in rows precisely as they had stood in their ranks a few moments before." It was estimated that the Cornfield changed hands no fewer than 15 times in the course of the morning. Hooker called for support from the 7,200 men of Mansfield's XII Corps.

That's all for now! I congratulate any of you who read this entirely!
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:39 pm


C.S.A forever! Nice, but what relevance does this have to the Marines though?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:31 pm


Yamagashi
C.S.A forever! Nice, but what relevance does this have to the Marines though?

It doesn't, but it does show us how well or bad you are at coming up wuth battle plans. And it also tells us how descriptive you are and how you think...
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:56 am


Aye, Sir!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:29 pm


chewie2006
I've gotta a question. You're in a city, we'll make it the ghetto. You are also in....China (no offense, but they seem like an strong enemy). You are surrounded. No radio contact becuase this was a covert operation, and the nearest ship is 3 days away. Planes are 6 days away (aircraft carrier). You are also low on ammo because you had been fighting for 2 days. Your mission is accomplished ahead of schedule. What do you do? Tell me what you would do and I will tell you what I would do.

((its impossible for the nearest aircraft carrier to be 6 days away... theyre f*cking everywhere. and the range on aircraft now is insane. if there has been fighting for 2 days, then it is no longer a covert operation. in china, you are allways surrounded. and if the nearest aircraft are that far away, how the f*ck did you get that deep into enemy territory? i apologize, but i had to point those out, hopefuly to get the realism of the subject explained to me.))
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:48 pm


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chewie2006
I've gotta a question. You're in a city, we'll make it the ghetto. You are also in....China (no offense, but they seem like an strong enemy). You are surrounded. No radio contact becuase this was a covert operation, and the nearest ship is 3 days away. Planes are 6 days away (aircraft carrier). You are also low on ammo because you had been fighting for 2 days. Your mission is accomplished ahead of schedule. What do you do? Tell me what you would do and I will tell you what I would do.

((its impossible for the nearest aircraft carrier to be 6 days away... theyre f*cking everywhere. and the range on aircraft now is insane. if there has been fighting for 2 days, then it is no longer a covert operation. in china, you are allways surrounded. and if the nearest aircraft are that far away, how the f*ck did you get that deep into enemy territory? i apologize, but i had to point those out, hopefuly to get the realism of the subject explained to me.))

As for the aircraft carrier, I'm making it more complicated. The aircaraft situation is the same. It started off as a covert operation. And you came in on a commercial airline to minmize wierd looks.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:49 pm


chewie2006
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chewie2006
I've gotta a question. You're in a city, we'll make it the ghetto. You are also in....China (no offense, but they seem like an strong enemy). You are surrounded. No radio contact becuase this was a covert operation, and the nearest ship is 3 days away. Planes are 6 days away (aircraft carrier). You are also low on ammo because you had been fighting for 2 days. Your mission is accomplished ahead of schedule. What do you do? Tell me what you would do and I will tell you what I would do.

((its impossible for the nearest aircraft carrier to be 6 days away... theyre f*cking everywhere. and the range on aircraft now is insane. if there has been fighting for 2 days, then it is no longer a covert operation. in china, you are allways surrounded. and if the nearest aircraft are that far away, how the f*ck did you get that deep into enemy territory? i apologize, but i had to point those out, hopefuly to get the realism of the subject explained to me.))

As for the aircraft carrier, I'm making it more complicated. The aircaraft situation is the same. It started off as a covert operation. And you came in on a commercial airline to minmize wierd looks.

...with weapons?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:50 pm


Those could have been bought or you steal them from the mafia, they are everywhere to you know...(now I'm making up bullshit, you got me there)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:54 pm


chewie2006
Those could have been bought or you steal them from the mafia, they are everywhere to you know...(now I'm making up bullshit, you got me there)

yep. =)
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