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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:49 pm
Right, so, first thing's first - this topic is everywhere but on the topic of Christmas. It leads into a much more massive, day-to-day issue. Anyway, this started with the topic of Christmas censorship in North America, then grew into this copy-pasted toned-down rant I fired off a while ago:
This matter is hardly isolated to Christmas traditions, kids. It's just the only time people seem to bring up the obvious issue, probably due to the presence of a specific catalyst - the religious-gone-commercial holiday.
The issue here is how European-gone-North American traditions, beliefs, values and ideals have no value in North American society. If a racial minority is uncomfortable with a person wearing a cross, the government will go to the ends of the Earth and back three times consecutively to ensure that their "needs" are met - more often than not, this will result in censorship of one group for the sake of another. However, should a white or Christian (not saying only whites are Christians, just emphasizing how much of a bullseye they've each become in this society) man or woman want to see another religious symbol removed, they're racist, anti-Semitic pigs with archaic notions of white supremacy. All that for having an opinion that a black or Muslim, for example, is congratulated and endorsed for having. Yeah, equality for the ******** win.
Fact of the matter is, in this, the freest pair of nations ever conceived, the place where you can be whatever the hell you want without any consequence, this bastion of freedom and equality that was founded on Catholic ideals by white Catholic people, the worst thing you can be is a white Christian person. Actually, no, correction - a white, heterosexual Christian male. Heaven forbid you’re such a stiff, arrogant, narrow-minded a**, because Lord knows that every one of them is. Yeah, racial and religious stereotyping is a bad thing; but whites and Christians aren’t real races and religions. God damn you for having an opinion, whitie, but God bless all dem niggas and Hindus who speak their narrow minds. ********, but I do hate this continent.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:06 am
I definately think that all of this political-correctifying(ignore the made-up word) of the holiday season is rediculous. First of all Channuka isn't even one of the more important Jewish holidays. As far as I know -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- Muslims don't have much going on around this time either. And Kwanza, well I actually don't know much about Kwanza.
Take my own school for example. It's a private, all-girls school in northern New Jersey. We are predominately WHITE-ANGLO-SAXON-PROTESTANTS. Yet we make it mandatory for all students to perform in the winter concert. So, because it's mandatory, we have to appease all the black girls by singing songs in Swahili, and appease the Jewish population by singing songs in Hebrew. I think there might be a song in Arabic as well. Now, this would be a great way to share culture and traditions and all that, but there's one problem: they don't even tell us what the hell we're saying! We know the words, we know how to pronounce them, but we don't even know what they mean! If you're going to try and make a winter concert all PC for the masses, then the least you can do is try and educate us on the cultures that obviously not very many of us actually represent.
Sorry, personal rant, but I think it exemplifies(sp?) what you're getting at quite well, as well as how I feel about what should be done in terms of sharing other traditions, cultures, etc.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:37 pm
CleverScreenname I definately think that all of this political-correctifying(ignore the made-up word) of the holiday season is rediculous. First of all Channuka isn't even one of the more important Jewish holidays. As far as I know -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- Muslims don't have much going on around this time either. And Kwanza, well I actually don't know much about Kwanza. Take my own school for example. It's a private, all-girls school in northern New Jersey. We are predominately WHITE-ANGLO-SAXON-PROTESTANTS. Yet we make it mandatory for all students to perform in the winter concert. So, because it's mandatory, we have to appease all the black girls by singing songs in Swahili, and appease the Jewish population by singing songs in Hebrew. I think there might be a song in Arabic as well. Now, this would be a great way to share culture and traditions and all that, but there's one problem: they don't even tell us what the hell we're saying! We know the words, we know how to pronounce them, but we don't even know what they mean! If you're going to try and make a winter concert all PC for the masses, then the least you can do is try and educate us on the cultures that obviously not very many of us actually represent. Sorry, personal rant, but I think it exemplifies(sp?) what you're getting at quite well, as well as how I feel about what should be done in terms of sharing other traditions, cultures, etc. Oh, but it does, it does indeed. After all - how are you respecting other cultures by simply playing parrot? Nobody in the room gives two shits about culture - it's the appeasement thereof that's on everyone's minds. This is likewise true for most of North America - government services and employees fussing over fear of the results of cultural ignorance and in doing so being completely ignorant of other cultures. They don't care about actually pursing cultural interests, they just fear the consequences of NOT doing so.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:18 pm
My friend was talking to me last year about how on Sesame Street Elmo did a Christmas dance, a Hannukah dance, and a Kwanaza dance. But not pagan winter solistice dance.
Okay, lame joke aside, I really, really hate censorship. Last year some kid at an elementary school in my district brought candy canes to school and attatched had a piece of paper that explained how the candy cane got it's stripes. Apperently it has something to do with Jesus, though I don't remember how off the top of my head. The school district frigging sued them because of a religious reference.
I think extream PCness just increases unacceptance.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:10 am
Another few anecdotes about my school: I've been hearing a rumor going around that the middle schooler's get a detention point (five make one detention) if they say "merry Christmas!" to anyone. But that's just a rumor, I really don't know how true it is.
Another thing was that my mom was part of the decorating committee for that concert that I mentioned. Of course, none of the decorations can be Christian, but all the moms were complaining about the censorship and pcness that had to go down. My mom mentioned maybe they should just have a "winter solstice" concert where we don't sing ANYTHING religious, and then she followed up that statement with "well, then we'd be calling ourselves Pagans by calling it a solstice concert" and another mom chimed in saying something that implied that Pagans were esentially the greatest debachery ever, or something along those lines.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:35 pm
thelovelyLIZ My friend was talking to me last year about how on Sesame Street Elmo did a Christmas dance, a Hannukah dance, and a Kwanaza dance. But not pagan winter solistice dance. Okay, lame joke aside, I really, really hate censorship. Last year some kid at an elementary school in my district brought candy canes to school and attatched had a piece of paper that explained how the candy cane got it's stripes. Apperently it has something to do with Jesus, though I don't remember how off the top of my head. The school district frigging sued them because of a religious reference. I think extream PCness just increases unacceptance. Segregation and specification only make the boundaries more obvious. Thus, everything PC can only make things worse. CleverScreenname Another few anecdotes about my school: I've been hearing a rumor going around that the middle schooler's get a detention point (five make one detention) if they say "merry Christmas!" to anyone. But that's just a rumor, I really don't know how true it is. Another thing was that my mom was part of the decorating committee for that concert that I mentioned. Of course, none of the decorations can be Christian, but all the moms were complaining about the censorship and pcness that had to go down. My mom mentioned maybe they should just have a "winter solstice" concert where we don't sing ANYTHING religious, and then she followed up that statement with "well, then we'd be calling ourselves Pagans by calling it a solstice concert" and another mom chimed in saying something that implied that Pagans were esentially the greatest debachery ever, or something along those lines. Our school, to my eternal joy, had a "Picture with Santa" thing today. We had a ******** Santa in the school! And a tree and everything! I asked my VP about it, and his response was "Well, if you want my honest opinion, I don't give a damn about every whiny liberal p***k trying to make the differences between people even more obvious than they already are." I heart my VP.
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:34 am
Emperor Fluffzorz Fact of the matter is, in this, the freest pair of nations ever conceived, the place where you can be whatever the hell you want without any consequence, this bastion of freedom and equality that was founded on Catholic ideals by white Catholic people,the worst thing you can be is a white Christian person. Funny, I thought we were founded on Protestants escaping Catholic persecution. Touch the founding fathers, and I'll find a Deist to beat you over the head with. Emperor Fluffzorz Actually, no, correction - a white, heterosexual Christian male. Heaven forbid you’re such a stiff, arrogant, narrow-minded a**, because Lord knows that every one of them is. Yeah, racial and religious stereotyping is a bad thing; but whites and Christians aren’t real races and religions. God damn you for having an opinion, whitie, but God bless all dem niggas and Hindus who speak their narrow minds. ********, but I do hate this continent. I'm sorry, but all I see here is 'Wah. Some people are oversensitive. It's so hard to be the majority.' You're tired of being stereotyped for being a majority demographic? Suck it up like the minority demographics have been doing, and always will. I say the same thing to minority members when they post pissy rants. Everyone stereotypes everyone else, it's a fact you have to live with, and if you're pissed because the tide has turned and society is supporting bias against the majority, well... You're still the majority. The worst that can happen is some majority-sanctioned annoyances from minority groups, but honestly. There aren't enough minority members, or minority sympathizers, to actually opress the majority. It will never happen. So get over it.
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:48 pm
Wishbone Redemption There aren't enough minority members, or minority sympathizers, to actually opress the majority. It will never happen. So get over it. Which is why I can't wear a cross in school due to some Middle Eastern immigrant student covered in so many religious accessories he can barely stand on his own bitching about it. The sole reason I can't. Then again, that's more how pathetic North American governments are. PC government - sucking minority d**k like there's no tomorrow since the 1980's for an equal and fair North America.
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:33 pm
My only take on this is that I used to walk around my middle school carrying t3h Bibble. Yes, I own one. Three, actually. Haven't read them since eighth grade (2000-2001 for you young'uns), though. Every time someone threatened me with suspension, I told them to ******** off. Quite literally. I've always been one of the most vulgar people in existence, even if I can no longer consider myself to be a Christian.
And Christmas is an appropriated religion.
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:36 am
Eh I like christmas simply because of the presents. XD
Ok in all serious yes it is a celebration gone commercial and yeah I understand what the OP is getting at. it is quite est to flip out on chiristians and not the Hindu's and blacks hthough was the vulgar words necessary? Wait forget that it made it more atractive to read ^^.
but yeah ahem WESTSIDE! *runs*
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:06 pm
Cougar Draven My only take on this is that I used to walk around my middle school carrying t3h Bibble. Yes, I own one. Three, actually. Haven't read them since eighth grade (2000-2001 for you young'uns), though. Every time someone threatened me with suspension, I told them to ******** off. Quite literally. I've always been one of the most vulgar people in existence, even if I can no longer consider myself to be a Christian. And Christmas is an appropriated religion. I have a couple copies myself, and I do so enjoy to peruse them. Firstly out of humour value (quite frankly, most of the Bible's content I find just plain funny, I'll say that right now) and secondly because I love to be approached by people who want to comment on the presence of a religious icon in the school. But then, that's just because I like abusing linguistic capacity and confusing people. Jesus, we ARE a lot alike, aren't we?
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:44 pm
Emperor Fluffzorz Cougar Draven My only take on this is that I used to walk around my middle school carrying t3h Bibble. Yes, I own one. Three, actually. Haven't read them since eighth grade (2000-2001 for you young'uns), though. Every time someone threatened me with suspension, I told them to ******** off. Quite literally. I've always been one of the most vulgar people in existence, even if I can no longer consider myself to be a Christian. And Christmas is an appropriated religion. I have a couple copies myself, and I do so enjoy to peruse them. Firstly out of humour value (quite frankly, most of the Bible's content I find just plain funny, I'll say that right now) and secondly because I love to be approached by people who want to comment on the presence of a religious icon in the school. But then, that's just because I like abusing linguistic capacity and confusing people. Jesus, we ARE a lot alike, aren't we? Indeed so. Although I did find myself picking up a copy of a friend's to verify something in House of Leaves. I usually use it as the official hammer against Levitican Law. I have so much fun with that.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:37 pm
Cougar Draven Emperor Fluffzorz Cougar Draven My only take on this is that I used to walk around my middle school carrying t3h Bibble. Yes, I own one. Three, actually. Haven't read them since eighth grade (2000-2001 for you young'uns), though. Every time someone threatened me with suspension, I told them to ******** off. Quite literally. I've always been one of the most vulgar people in existence, even if I can no longer consider myself to be a Christian. And Christmas is an appropriated religion. I have a couple copies myself, and I do so enjoy to peruse them. Firstly out of humour value (quite frankly, most of the Bible's content I find just plain funny, I'll say that right now) and secondly because I love to be approached by people who want to comment on the presence of a religious icon in the school. But then, that's just because I like abusing linguistic capacity and confusing people. Jesus, we ARE a lot alike, aren't we? Indeed so. Although I did find myself picking up a copy of a friend's to verify something in House of Leaves. I usually use it as the official hammer against Levitican Law. I have so much fun with that. Nothing quite like the core philosophy to cut down the religion's rules-lawyers, eh? Ugh. I hate the ritualistic ones. Completely contradicts the faith. I don't even believe in it and I still hate the Vatican for their ignorance to their own faith.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:07 pm
Emperor Fluffzorz Cougar Draven Emperor Fluffzorz Cougar Draven My only take on this is that I used to walk around my middle school carrying t3h Bibble. Yes, I own one. Three, actually. Haven't read them since eighth grade (2000-2001 for you young'uns), though. Every time someone threatened me with suspension, I told them to ******** off. Quite literally. I've always been one of the most vulgar people in existence, even if I can no longer consider myself to be a Christian. And Christmas is an appropriated religion. I have a couple copies myself, and I do so enjoy to peruse them. Firstly out of humour value (quite frankly, most of the Bible's content I find just plain funny, I'll say that right now) and secondly because I love to be approached by people who want to comment on the presence of a religious icon in the school. But then, that's just because I like abusing linguistic capacity and confusing people. Jesus, we ARE a lot alike, aren't we? Indeed so. Although I did find myself picking up a copy of a friend's to verify something in House of Leaves. I usually use it as the official hammer against Levitican Law. I have so much fun with that. Nothing quite like the core philosophy to cut down the religion's rules-lawyers, eh? Ugh. I hate the ritualistic ones. Completely contradicts the faith. I don't even believe in it and I still hate the Vatican for their ignorance to their own faith. Only a Catholic Christian liberal American human could take something for granted without actually understanding it. s**t.
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