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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:18 pm



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I've put alot of thought into this.Kishimoto's, Heaven and Earth and Yin and Yang concept.


Yin (Chinese: 陰 or 阴; pinyin: yīn; literally "shady place, north slope (hill), south bank (river); cloudy, overcast") is the dark element: it is passive, dark, feminine, downward-seeking, and corresponds to the night.

Yang (陽 or 阳; yáng; "sunny place, south slope (hill), north bank (river); sunshine") is the bright element: it is active, light, masculine, upward-seeking and corresponds to the day.

Yin is often symbolized by water or earth, while yang is symbolized by fire or wind.

Yin (the receptive, feminine, dark, passive force) and yang (the creative, masculine, bright, active force) are descriptions of complementary opposites rather than absolutes. Any yin/yang dichotomy can be viewed from another perspective. All forces in nature can be seen as having yin and yang states, and the two are in movement rather than held in absolute stasis.


Information taken from wikipedia.

Yin and Yang is mainly thought of good and evil in the Western culture.People think the Ying and Yang concept fits in NaruHina.But Hinata fits the Yin and Yang concept instead of the pairing NaruHina.I can't really get out what I'm saying in words.Hyuga" (日向) means "toward the sun".Hinata means "Sunny place; in the sun", and Yang (陽 or 阳; yáng; "sunny place, south slope (hill), north bank (river); sunshine") is the bright element: it is active, light, masculine, upward-seeking and corresponds to the day.Which leads be to believe Hinata's true self is Yang, but is forced to live behind the Yin concept.Hinata has two sides of her that fits both Yin and Yang.She has also shown her Yang side in the battle with Neji.I do believe Hinata used Naruto, as an inspiration to guide her to the "sunny place".But Naruto isen't the light, but he was an example of what she wanted to be.Hinata will find the light within herself.

I don't think Kishimoto ment for the Yin and Yang to be NaruHina purpose though.I'm just saying that I don't think the concept was ment for Naruto and Hinata.I think it was ment a bit for Neji and Hinata though.Take a look at this slit from the manga.Slit from volume 9.If you notice, Hinata is on the Yang side.(The Yang side will always be white.)Thats why I believe Yin and Yang has nothing to do with NaruHina.It has more to do with Hinata, and an on going battle inside herself.Here is a video that can explain more about Yin and Yan than I can.Secrets of Yin Yang revealed. Your going to find it's more about who Hinata is, and who she what she wants to become.


If qualities of Heaven are your desire.
Aquire wisdom and knowledge to take your mind higher.
If Earthly qualties are what you lack.
Train your body in the fields and prepare to attack.

When both Heaven and Earth are opened together,
The path of peril will revert to the righteous path forever.
This "Jin" is the secret way...
...that guides us from this place today.


The Heaven and Earth concept is similar to the Yin and Yang concept.Both concepts need another to coexist.Heaven needs Earth to coexist, and Earth needs Heaven to coexist.Yin needs Yang to coexist, and Yang needs Yin to coexist.Yin and Yang coexist in one person alone.So each person has Yin and Yang in them.When Heaven and Earth coexist, it can be in one person or all people.That's where the word "Jin" comes in.Jin means one person or all people.(Or so stated by Iruka.)

In the Chunin exams, it is Sakura that opens the Heaven scroll, and Naruto who opens the Earth scroll.Heaven refers to the human mind, and Earth refers to the human body.In part one, Sakura had the knowledge of Heaven, but she lacked the strength of Earth.Naruto had the strenghth of Earth, but he lacked the knowledge of Heaven.I think what Kishimto is saying is that...Sakura needs Naruto and Naruto needs Sakura.They both need eachother to make themselves whole.When they are togerther, they can do anything.

When you put Heaven and Earth together.The path of peril will revert to the righteous path forever.When Yin and Yang are put together it is almost like the same thing.

What to discuss://
Is this possible forshadowing.
Is this concept NaruSaku related.
Your veiw on both concepts.
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:28 pm


Is this possible forshadowing. Yes, I believe it is. The concept of Heaven and Earth always struck me so...NaruSaku related. That's what I love about Kishimoto. Seems like a big, foreshadow, hidden.
Is this concept NaruSaku related. I think so. Either that, or Kishimoto made a BIG coincidence, making Naruto have 'brute strength', and having Sakura be 'the intelligent brainiac'. It seems like too much to be a coincidence.
Your veiw on both concepts The concept of yin and yang struck me as TOTAL NejiHina related. I mean, it doesn't exactly count as a hint, but I think yin and yang yells more as 'NEJIHINA!' then 'NARUHINA!'. Yes, Naruto and Hinata are polar opposites, but Neji and Hinata aren't THAT alike. The Heaven and Earth concept always made me feel very relieved. Everyone's always saying: Oh, Kishimoto's very deep, he foreshadowed this with that! But it's almost never for NaruSaku. But I think this one is.

P.S: Kudos to you, NaruSaku-san. :3 Nice to see NaruSaku fans thinkin'.

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Moenokori

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:39 pm


Is this possible foreshadowing. I wouldn't put it past him. Kishimoto-sensei has a wicked way of taking the tiniest detail and connecting it to something hundreds of chapters later.

Is this concept NaruSaku related. It has a possibility. Naruto and Sakura are an excellent tag team - when one falls into despair, the other's always there to pull them out of it.

Your view on both concepts. It's an excellent point. The reason I think Sasuke and Sakura wouldn't work as well as Naruto and Sakura is because, to me, Sasuke lacks empathy. Something I think Naruto has in droves, and something Sakura needs, because she is female. XD I relate NaruSaku to my boyfriend and I a lot, because we poke at one another and drive each other crazy, but deep down we really care. You can't have a relationship when there's lingering doubt about the other person. Sakura would always be worried that he'd leave, or that she wasn't good enough. She's stronger now, but she's a girl, and girls despite it all worry about things like that.

Also, I think having the same basic principles in life - the things that you base your daily life around, are important. Sakura and Naruto do lead a righteous path, because they've set a goal and work towards it together.
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 12:37 am


I just got so damn sick of some NaruHina fans saying, "Oh, NaruHina is so YinYang."

Some fans are also like that about SasuSaku.Hell, the Yin and Yang concept dosen't even fit SasuSaku.Plus Yin and Yang both exist inside one person.

One person dosen't have Yin, and the other has Yang.It just dosen't work like that.It says there is Yin, and Yang inside every living creature.It creates an equal balence.

NarutoAndSakura


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:58 am


NarutoAndSakura
I just got so damn sick of some NaruHina fans saying, "Oh, NaruHina is so YinYang."

Some fans are also like that about SasuSaku.Hell, the Yin and Yang concept dosen't even fit SasuSaku.Plus Yin and Yang both exist inside one person.

One person dosen't have Yin, and the other has Yang.It just dosen't work like that.It says there is Yin, and Yang inside every living creature.It creates an equal balence.


Yeah, considering they say: OH Hinata is the moon, Naruto is the sun! Without the moon, the sun can't do anything!

When Hinata's NAME LITERALLY MEANS SUNSHINE. o-o

And if Sakura completes Sasuke, no offence, he wouldn't have had the nerve to leave. *still a SasuSaku fan, but...truth be told, yeah*
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 12:41 pm


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NarutoAndSakura
I just got so damn sick of some NaruHina fans saying, "Oh, NaruHina is so YinYang."

Some fans are also like that about SasuSaku.Hell, the Yin and Yang concept dosen't even fit SasuSaku.Plus Yin and Yang both exist inside one person.

One person dosen't have Yin, and the other has Yang.It just dosen't work like that.It says there is Yin, and Yang inside every living creature.It creates an equal balence.


Yeah, considering they say: OH Hinata is the moon, Naruto is the sun! Without the moon, the sun can't do anything!

When Hinata's NAME LITERALLY MEANS SUNSHINE. o-o

And if Sakura completes Sasuke, no offence, he wouldn't have had the nerve to leave. *still a SasuSaku fan, but...truth be told, yeah*


Moon and sun my a**.

If it wasen't for the Earth's gravity.The moon would be a giant piece of rock, floating out in deep space.

NarutoAndSakura


Moenokori

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 12:08 am


I'm not anti-Hinata, I'm just not a huge fan. She's okay, as far as characters go, but what exactly are they equating in Hinata to the Yin and Yang concept? She's not amazingly strong or smart - she's pretty average as those things go. (She does have one hell of a backbone, I'll give her that, tho. biggrin ) She's pretty balanced on her own, which is the point I suppose. But...I'm just not seeing it?

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:44 pm


Moenokori
I'm not anti-Hinata, I'm just not a huge fan. She's okay, as far as characters go, but what exactly are they equating in Hinata to the Yin and Yang concept? She's not amazingly strong or smart - she's pretty average as those things go. (She does have one hell of a backbone, I'll give her that, tho. biggrin ) She's pretty balanced on her own, which is the point I suppose. But...I'm just not seeing it?

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Well Yin posess the qualities of being weak,dark,quiet,downward seeking, and so on. <----- This pretty much would sum up Hinata at the time.

Ying is strong,sunshiney,outspoken,upward seeking.Ying is the type of personality Hinata lacked, but it was a type of person she wanted to be.So she found inspiration in Naruto, and Naruto was the type of person Hinata wanted to be like.

So no, Hinata wasen't balenced at all.She desired so much to change herself into that type of person.After the battle with Neji, Hinata didn't change herself completly.But she was one step closer to, being the person she wanted to be.

As you see, Hinata's whole name is a pun."Towards the Sun." Ying also has to do with the sun.Ying is the qualties that, Hinata wants to find within herself.I hope I helped you understand!XD

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underworld-girl

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:36 am


Is this possible forshadowing:It appears so. Like many have said, Kishimoto has this 'talent' to make characters apply to real concepts.

Is this concept NaruSaku related: I've always believed that the Heaven-Earth thing is NaruSaku related. Not doubt in my mind. Just as Yin-Yang is NaruHina related. I also like to relate NaruHina with the Sun-Moon concept.

Your veiw on both concepts:I like how Heaven-Earth relates to NaruSaku. Because it does. What you said NarutoAndSakura is very true. Sakura does need Naruto and Naruto does need Sakura. And now more than ever. They both need each others support to withstand the hardships they are going through. However, I still see NaruSaku as just a close friendship or sibling love. I totally agree with how the Yin-Yang concept relates to NaruHina because it totally does. I've always thought that NaruHina can counterweight each other. But also, I can see the Yin-Yang concept fit SasuSaku as well.
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:04 am


Is this possible forshadowing.

Yes, but I doubt it has anything to do with romance. I think that the quote from the chuunin exams was put there because it fits the ninja concept and teaching concept (because genin need to be taught and trained to become chuunin). I think it foreshadowed Sakura's will to go stronger, and Naruto's will to become smarter (Which the timskip has proven nicely.)

Is this concept NaruSaku related.

I think Heaven and Earth is, but not Yin and Yang. Though they seem a lot alike, I don't find they are at all. While the Heaven and Earth theory is based on smarts and strengths, more than personality traits. I think that Naruto opened the Earth scroll, because he had more strength than smarts, and vice versa with Sakura. Sasuke, on the other hand, possessed both, therefore I don't think it was nessecary that he open a scroll. So I think H&E deals with NaruSaku. Y&Y...no. As much as you all seem to despise it, I think that Ying and Yang DOES refer to NaruHina and SasuSaku.

Yin is the dark element: it is passive, dark, feminine, downward-seeking, and corresponds to the night.

Though everyone has a bit of both Yin and Yang in them, Hinata leans a lot more towards the Yin. Remember that at the beginning of the chuunin exams, Naruto referred to Hinata as "dark". And her name, Hyuuga Hinata, means "toward the sun" or "a sunny place". So what? That means the entire Hyuuga clan has the meaning of "toward the sun". [Hanabi: "Fireworks", Hiashi: "daytime"/"spreading of a fire", Hizashi: "sunlight"/"rays of the sun". Neji's name means "Helix"/"Spiral", which I think is matched with his detachment from his clan.] I don't think that her name means anything, only because of the fact that the sun or fire/light aspect revolves around the majority of the known Hyuuga clan members.

Naruto obviously leans more towards Yang.

The use of "Sun and Moon", on the other hand, is (I believe), just another way of indentifying the contrast between these two characters. It's closer to "Yin and Yang" than "Heaven and Earth". [If you're still wondering about that, I just think that "Heaven and Earth" aren't THAT contrasting, just like Naruto and Sakura aren't very much of a contrast to each other. "Heaven and Hell" would fit more to "Yin and Yang" and "Sun and Moon".] I don't see what's wrong with using "Sun and Moon" to identify two contrasting characters like Hinata and Naruto, though I much prefer using Yin and Yang myself.

I'd like to point out the contrasting factors between Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, and Hinata. Sakura's color scheme (And I'm NOT making a canon factor out of color scheme; that's retarded. I'm just pointing out things that repond to the contrasting theme.) is mostly pink and red. Naruto's is mostly yellow and orange. Both are brighter colors than Sasuke and Hinata's. Sasuke is, of course, blue and navy (or black), while Hinata is indigo, and a tannish brown. Pairing a lighter color with another doesn't go with Yin and Yang. It's Yang and Yang. Realistically, this is "similars attract", which a lot of you seem to support (Which is why I sort of don't understand why Yin and Yang was even brought into this, though it's a very interesting subject.). Now pairing a dark and light color goes with opposites attract. I am a huge believer of this. (Proven by my shipping of SasuSaku and NaruHina.)

Again, I'm NOT saying that names, color schemes, or even similar/opposites attract will make a pairing canon, because it probably won't. I'm just defending MY interpretations of what Heaven and Earth and Ying and Yang are, and how they relate to NaruSaku or NaruHina/SasuSaku.


Your view on both concepts.

I love both concepts to death. I've said this before, but in My opinion:

Heaven and Earth: Not person-relation, as to brains and brawn. It's only a tiny portion of what Ying and Yang is.

Ying and Yang: More like completely contrasted then to just a specific trait.

Remedi


NarutoAndSakura

PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:48 am


I never imputed that Heaven and Earth had do with NaruSaku roamantically.I used both concepts because they are similar, and they both needed to be acknowledged for the right reason.

Heaven and Earth interacts with each other like Yin and Yang.You can't have one without the other, or it would be very unbalanced.Though, there are differences in both, and thats why I needed to use them.Yin and Yang both fit Naruto and Hinata parsonality wise.But, we are talking about the corresponding needs in both concepts inside one person.

Yin and Yang's true meaning, is the flowing of evil and good.Evil and good both balence out a person.I've stated that one person can't just have Yin, and the other just have Yang.How can Naruto be Yang and still have Yin in him?How can Hinata be Yin and still have Yang in her?I'm sure Kishimoto understood that well.Naruto even stated that he was wrong about Hinata.He said he just thought she was some plain,dark, timid girl.Naruto may have Yang qualities, but it nessarly dosen't mean he puts the Yang to Hinata's Yin.Hinata said that she wanted to be like Naruto, but has never said she needed him to complete herself.So, Naruto was an inspiration to Hinata.

As for the names dealing with the Hyuga's.True, they all basically have to do with some sort of light/sunshine/fire.Hinata's name was constructed into a pun."Towards the sun; sunshine."Kishimoto has made names to fit/discribe his characters.So perhap's Naruto guided her to the sunshine, and the true person she wanted to find within herself.So would she not make herself her own Yin and Yang inside herself?

Oh, and Heaven and Earth are personality traits as well.Was Sakura not known for being smart but weak, and Naruto being strong but dumb?Being smart, caused Sakura to be a know-it-all.Naruto was an idiot, and it mixed in with his personality.With Naruto's influence, Sakura wanted to get stronger.Not just for Sasuke, but it was mainly for Naruto.There are scenes in the time skip and pre- time skip, that Sakura is trying to teach Naruto.Also times where she tries to influence Naruto, that he should try to be focusing on his studies.

To Sakura, Naruto is her idiot.He is "Naruto-Baka" to her, and no matter how smart he gets.It's who Naruto will always be to Sakura.Naruto fully relizes that Sakura has gotten alot stroger.But she is still his "Sakura-Chan", and thats who she will remain to him.Even knowing Sakura has goten stronger, Naruto still sees no change in her.It's in Naruto's character to act like an idiot.It's also in Sakura's character to act smart, and also be a little weak sometimes.

I also must get this out.If Heaven and Hell would fit more into Yin and Yang, then why didn't Kishimoto use it?Kishimoto used different purposes for the meaning of Heaven and Earth.Like Heaven meaning smarts and Earth meaning strengths.We are going by Kishimto's concepts.So what makes you think he would of used Heaven being good and Hell being evil.He could have, but he didn't.The Earth is a evil place to, and it's much more evil than Hell.Then I see no point into bringing up Heaven and Hell at all.Although, I do see were you are comeing from.

Yin and Yang may have something to Naruto and Hinata, but Kishimto hasen't given much evidence that supports this.He only has shown that Neji and Hinata have something to do with Yin and Yang.I'm not not saying what I have stated is right, but I'm only stating my opinion.I really hope you don't take this the wrong way.I'm just debating with you, and I'm not trying to offend you at all.I'm also sorry if it seems that way.Ah, I have to go wash dishes now.XD
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 10:52 am


That's the only thing about the concept of yin and yang with NaruHina I don't understand...Kishi most certainly did NOT make it a huge concept, but made it pretty obvious that it had something to do with Neji.

A Little Off-topic (okay, totally off-topic): I'm a strong believer yin and yang points to Neji and Hinata. Whether together, as a couple, or just closely knitted, I don't care. Neji has ALWAYS been with Hinata. She was born into his life. Hinata has never been without Neji, while he was without her for his first portion of his life. It makes me wonder - Neji obviously represents 'Yin' in the fight, and Hinata represents 'yang' (Refer to slit from volume 9). Even the anime producers made the concept of yin and yang part of Neji and Hinata.

What would Hinata do without Neji, and vice versa? Neither of them would be happy without the other, I'm positive. Likewise, Naruto and Sakura would nothave an easy time being happy without each other. Naruto and Hinata, however, do not have such a tight bond that they cannot live without being with the other. :/ They're on separate teams, which says something big. They can operate without the other. Naruto and Sakura...it's difficult for them, because they've had so much teamwork.

PLEASE ignore this comment. I don't want to start debating over Neji and Hinata, because I KNOW some people don't like that couple, or prefer something else over it...I just wanted everyone to know that yin and yang refers much more to Neji and Hinata than to Naruto and Hinata. I am not saying it doesn't help NaruHina at all, but it has not been made obvious that it does.

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Remedi

PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 1:49 pm


You seem to be implying that I'm saying "Kishi is going to apply ying and yang to Naruto and Hinata." I did not.

Ying and Yang can apply to ANY characters that seem to be opposite the other: Sasuke and Ino, Temari and Hinata, Hidan and Itachi.

To me, Ying and Yang isn't something like, "Yin can't exist with Yang" and vice versa. We're talking about people here. Ying and Yang COEXIST. It has nothing to do with romance, either. I only relate it because I like opposites attrack; opposites meaning Ying and Yang qualities.


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So perhap's Naruto guided her to the sunshine, and the true person she wanted to find within herself.So would she not make herself her own Yin and Yang inside herself?


Well, I think that everybody has qualities of both; I said that already. Yes, Naruto made Hinata look at herself with a bit more confidence. But she is still timid, and she's still Hinata. Who, in my opinion, still resides as more of a Yin personality.

[Off-topic-->] Another thing I see that you've said (and I see a LOT of NaruSaku fans say this, nothing against anyone) is that because Naruto has helped her, she'll eventually not need him anymore and move on. Isn't that just ignoring the obvious? Whether she still "needs" him or not, a major aspect of her character is her large crush on Naruto. I think she liked Naruto for more than he was more of who she wanted to be. Think about it: Kiba is very similar to Naruto personality wise, and Shino is also a person who strides in self confidence. I'm sure she cares very much about these too, but if all she wanted was have a confident idol, and someone to aknowledge her, then why put most of her attention to only Naruto? Not Ying Yang related...but I find it a little off that most NaruSaku fans can't come to terms with the fact that Hinata has romantic feelings for Naruto. (Note that this doesn't nessecarily mean it will be canon.)


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I also must get this out.If Heaven and Hell would fit more into Yin and Yang, then why didn't Kishimoto use it?Kishimoto used different purposes for the meaning of Heaven and Earth.Like Heaven meaning smarts and Earth meaning strengths.We are going by Kishimto's concepts.So what makes you think he would of used Heaven being good and Hell being evil.He could have, but he didn't.The Earth is a evil place to, and it's much more evil than Hell.Then I see no point into bringing up Heaven and Hell at all.Although, I do see were you are comeing from.


He used Heaven and Earth because he was talking about intelligence and strength. I don't think he used Heaven and Hell because because I don't think there was need for "good an evil" (What do you even mean by "So what makes you think he would of used Heaven being good and Hell being evil." ? I never even mentioned good and evil. I mentioned that it was a set of words that contrasted each other.)

I don't see a point in Kishi bringing up Heaven and Hell either, because he wasn't talking about that. xP You confused me. "Heaven and Hell" was an example I used as contrast, similar to "Ying and Yang" and "Sun and Moon". Never mentioned ANYTHING about good and evil, so I do not see the point you're trying to make. (No offense.)

And to your last statement, Kishimoto doesn't need to apply Ying and Yang to everybody who fits the desciption. Neji and Hinata were mentioned as a sort of Ying and Yang, because while Hinata is shy, main house and inconfident, Neji is confident, and of course branch house. It's easy to find opposing qualities in two people, because nobody is the same. I'm just saying that Naruto and Hinata fit the Yin and Yang description more than Naruto and Sakura, or Hinata and Neji. We don't need Kishi to tell us, because we can clearly see it on our own. And once again, I'm not saying that the pair who fits Ying and Yang the most becomes canon.

I'm not taking the debate in an offensive way at all. (I really didn't appreciate all the Sun and Moon insulting, though. But I'm not going to be a brat about it. What I say certainly won't change your minds.) It's actually nice to have a little debate. I haven't debated in a while.
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:32 pm


Remedi
You seem to be implying that I'm saying "Kishi is going to apply ying and yang to Naruto and Hinata." I did not.


Although, I may "seem" to imply it, but I'm actually really not.You confuse me with this statement though.How can I imply it, when you are saying NaruHina is Yin and Yang related?So I can't imply something I don't get.


Remedi
To me, Ying and Yang isn't something like, "Yin can't exist with Yang" and vice versa. We're talking about people here. Ying and Yang COEXIST. It has nothing to do with romance, either. I only relate it because I like opposites attrack; opposites meaning Ying and Yang qualities.


Some things people fail to see, is that they aren't actually people.(No offense bcause I'm well aware you understand that.)So in other words, we aren't really talking about actual real people.To me, you were saying Hinata is Yin and Naruto is Yang, and together they COEXIST.It's all a matter of opinion though, and I'm a similars attract person.So perhaps that is why I can't relate NaruHina to Yin and Yang.


Remedi
Well, I think that everybody has qualities of both; I said that already. Yes, Naruto made Hinata look at herself with a bit more confidence. But she is still timid, and she's still Hinata. Who, in my opinion, still resides as more of a Yin personality.

[Off-topic-->] Another thing I see that you've said (and I see a LOT of NaruSaku fans say this, nothing against anyone) is that because Naruto has helped her, she'll eventually not need him anymore and move on. Isn't that just ignoring the obvious? Whether she still "needs" him or not, a major aspect of her character is her large crush on Naruto. I think she liked Naruto for more than he was more of who she wanted to be. Think about it: Kiba is very similar to Naruto personality wise, and Shino is also a person who strides in self confidence. I'm sure she cares very much about these too, but if all she wanted was have a confident idol, and someone to aknowledge her, then why put most of her attention to only Naruto? Not Ying Yang related...but I find it a little off that most NaruSaku fans can't come to terms with the fact that Hinata has romantic feelings for Naruto. (Note that this doesn't nessecarily mean it will be canon.)


>Also off topic
Actually, a crush is usually a temporary infatuation.It's clear that she still has a crush on him, so that's why I used usally.I'm not saying Hinata dosen't have a crush on Naruto, and dosen't need him anymore.True, Hinata is still shy and stuff, but that's part of her personality.She didn't just want confidence, she wanted to change herself.She wanted to change into a person like Naruto.She did change herself a bit though.Hinata dose look up to Naruto because he is her idol.She admires Naruto, he gives her courage, and she wants to be like him.Is that not what an idol is?I think Hinata will never move on from Naruto, and appciate what he has done for her.

Saying that Hinata needs Naruto, is like saying she will always be very dependent on him.Also a bit out of the ovious huh?I don't think Hinata needs Naruto to be strong, mainly because he has already set her on the right path.In my opinion, Hinata will not always need Naruto, but he has made a huge impact in her life.So she may not always need Naruto, but she will not exacly in a sense move on.She will always appriciate what he has done.I never said that Naruto was just a condifdence idol.>.>;

I'm also aware that Naruto and Kiba have similar personalities.I'm sure Hinata know's a bit what Naruto has been threw.She knows that he was shunned,put down, and mistreated his whole life.Still, Naruto managed to look on the bright side of things.Kiba and Shino both had family, and never went threw what Naruto did.Threw it all, Naruto had a dream that he believed in.Hinata saw this when no one at the time did, and she could actually relate to him.So how could Hinata not admire and look up to Naruto for that?


Remedi
He used Heaven and Earth because he was talking about intelligence and strength. I don't think he used Heaven and Hell because because I don't think there was need for "good an evil" (What do you even mean by "So what makes you think he would of used Heaven being good and Hell being evil." ? I never even mentioned good and evil. I mentioned that it was a set of words that contrasted each other.)


I'm a very complex and confusing individual!Ok, I will try to explain it.Yin means evil and Yang means good.Heaven is good and Hell is evil.I thought that was the reason why you were saying it was similar to Yin and Yang.Earth is also a very evil place though.Although, Heaven and Hell are different places, so are Earth and Heaven.So in my opinion, Heaven and Earth is similar to the Yin and Yang concept as well.I'm sorry I put it in my stupid way that I put it.XD


I will always assure things to people, so they won't get the wrong idea.I hate starting things, and hurting people out of spite.I just don't want someone to get the wrong idea.So I will always apologize about something even if it really isen't my fault.Once again, I'm not saying what I stated is right.I for one hate the sun, and I wish it would remain night all the time.So thats why that concept dosen't apply to me.For you, I will make sure no one bashes the Sun and Moon concept.Good debates every once and a while are good to have!=D

[Off topic a bit]Oh, and I changed my name from NarutoAndSakura to this username.To tell the truth, I got tired of recieving mail from people I don't know, and I had to switch.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:21 pm


I always thought the Yin Yang concept had more to do with Hinata and Neji.

Hinata is sweet. Neji is bitter.

If Hinata fits the sunny part of it. Then Neji fits the dark part of it.

They're very much oppisites. And Neji also has the Yin Yang symbol when he peforms his jutsu.

So I thought if it symbolized anything it would be those two.

I don't to me Sakura and Naruto aren't so different, even if the terms suit them.


But the Heaven and Earth thing does seem very SakuNaru. heart
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