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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 9:03 am
Well, today I entered the Extended Discussion and what did I find? Almost nothing but potentially wonderful, in-depth topics, ruined by poor grammar, lack of punctuation, inconsistent replies, etc. And I have seen some potentially beautiful topics, topics including morality, sex and the church, etc. And they have all been ruined by the facts aforementioned.
And what disgusts me is that this deplorable state has even permeated the ED's subforums. Psychology and Sociology, Morality and Religion, Science and Technology... They are all filled with these utterly pathetic topics concerning the most menial issues and complications and created by absolute peons, their understanding of the world ending with their computer.
So, the question that I pose to you is: Is the ED beyond salvage? Has the problem become so inherent in the forum that the entire system has to be remade from the ground up?
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 10:34 am
I'm afraid that there is no way they are going to be able to monitor every single post everyone makes to make sure they use actual words. Its equally unrealistic to expect people to actually listen if they were told to use proper grammar and manners. In other words, the ED is pretty much screwed...
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 1:45 am
1. I heard that the mods that moniter the ED are never there, but they've got other jobs too and they seem pretty active to me... but I dunno. 2. Yeah. The ED's kind of ******** up now. 3. Sometimes (but rarely) the person using txt tlk might actually be saying something worth reading but we can't read it. That sometimes leads to loads of flaming and well... bye bye, perfectly good topic.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:23 am
Simple. Text talk should be outlawed in the ED. o-o
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:15 am
It's impossible to enforce intelligence and proper language in something so vast as the ED. All we can do is accept that and hope to find the occasional jewel buried in all the crap. The ED will never be what it was meant to be, but that was an inevitability.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:13 am
Ruingaraf Simple. Text talk should be outlawed in the ED. o-o Unfortunately, while a good idea, it wouldn't help. Too many gaians are half wits. The use of computers within the home with the speed of cable and gaming from hell has simply numbed most of america rather than boost it as the internet has the capacity to do. People could read, educate themselves, ARGUE OVER WORTHY TOPICS... no. They don't. I also believe the filthy smut children's programming these days and how it's devolved into such crap over the years has something to do with the declining IQ in the world.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:35 am
The world's IQ is a constant--the population is just increasing.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:52 pm
Ruingaraf Simple. Text talk should be outlawed in the ED. o-o Agreed. And I disagree with the argument that people just can't type like a normal, English-speaking human being. The ED used to be so much better, which seems to me proof enough that it is possible. I think the ED, first of all, needs more mods or the mods it has need to be more active, and secondly, the rules need to be stricter. "Txt tlk" should be a reportable offense. Topics that are not ED-worthy need to be moved or deleted quickly. By cracking down and making the ED an attractive place for smart, literate people like it once was, I think it could make a come-back. But really, it's not going to happen until some mods get their arses in gear.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:25 pm
This is a tad elitist don't you think? It's all well and good to say 'txt tlk' should be outlawed but it is in a sense a viable form of communication for some. It's all but a free-standing language. Anyway, it may not look pretty, but if it gets the work done does it really matter? I'll agree to a degree that the ED doesn't have as many thought provoking topics as one might enjoy, but people are replying to many of them thus stimulating some kind of opinion. Maybe there should be stricter moderation, but what really considers an 'Extended Discussion'. I look at GD and to me, its turned into Chatterbox.
All I'm saying is that you really need to cut the elitist crap.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:02 pm
DNA_Guru This is a tad elitist don't you think? It's all well and good to say 'txt tlk' should be outlawed but it is in a sense a viable form of communication for some. It's all but a free-standing language. Anyway, it may not look pretty, but if it gets the work done does it really matter? I'll agree to a degree that the ED doesn't have as many thought provoking topics as one might enjoy, but people are replying to many of them thus stimulating some kind of opinion. Maybe there should be stricter moderation, but what really considers an 'Extended Discussion'. I look at GD and to me, its turned into Chatterbox. All I'm saying is that you really need to cut the elitist crap. But I don't think it's "elitist crap" at all. Are schools being "elitist" when the require their students to write papers in real English, rather than "txt tlk"? The fact is, if you want to come across as being intelligent and be taken seriously by educated people (or even people who just fancy themselves to be educated), you type out your bloody words. It's not that hard. If I'm going to take the time to read someone's post, consider what they have to say, and reply to it, it seems like a fair expectation that they would take the time to use proper lanugage to express it. And it's not just that it looks retarded. Maybe part of it has to do with the fact that English is my second language, but don't tell me I'm the only one who has a great deal of trouble deciphering text talk.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:55 am
The closest way to really eliminate the spam problem is to get rid of the Gaia economy. Without the gold incentive people would lose the major reason behind "fklsfsdfsdfdsjfklj" and "muny muny muny muny lolololol" posts.
Of course, nobody wants that to happen. Perfectly fine, perfectly fine.
But the floods can still be tamed at least a little bit if all serious EDers would do their part. Regular posters could help out by contributing to discussion instead of feeding the spammers' fire. I'm guilty of this too, but too often people are replying to spam topics and posts by bitching at the poster instead of doing the one thing people can do about it - which is report them. There is also the Save ED petition that people can sign which has a pretty damn decent plan that could potentially slow down spammers (Which reminds me - I never did get around to signing it myself xd )
Users can also help out be sending in feedback in the appropriate forum. I've noticed a few things about the site that I think should change. Homework help requests are quite common here and I think it should get its own forum, plus I think there should be an at least ED forum-wide ban on chatspeak and txt tlk. If ED is supposed to be the more intelligent version of GD, the posters should follow suit.
Mods/helpers (myself included) can do their part by actually getting online, moving/deleting threads/posts and handling reports. Now, I'm not saying that all the mods and helpers are lazy bastards who never do anything, but it seems every time I'm on (which is pretty much off and on all day) I'm the only online mod/helper in the forum or one of two/three online. The report queues are still backed up because there are hardly ever mods to handle it. I'm constantly PMed and asked (or demanded by a whining thread move-ee, but that's besides the point) to delete a thread or handle a scamming/hacking report, none of those being things I can do but I'm asked anyway because I'm the only one online. Simply put, we need more online mods. I know we recently got a new batch a while back, but (and with all due respect to all moderators who do their jobs) it wasn't enough.
Admins can do their part by recruiting more moderators. I'm sure this is a problem all across the site, too - I know GD isn't exactly a literate haven.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:58 am
Ruingaraf Simple. Text talk should be outlawed in the ED. o-o I agree. I think/hope we're allowed to do something about threads for being illegible or written an half-baked english. I've reported a few for that. I'll contact my mentor to be sure, and if I'm given the go-ahead I'll start moving threads to the CB for that. If not, that'll be a thread for Site Feedback once I get around to that.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:11 am
Scare Tactic Propaganda Ruingaraf Simple. Text talk should be outlawed in the ED. o-o I agree. I think/hope we're allowed to do something about threads for being illegible or written an half-baked english. I've reported a few for that. I'll contact my mentor to be sure, and if I'm given the go-ahead I'll start moving threads to the CB for that. If not, that'll be a thread for Site Feedback once I get around to that. YES! You're a mod?
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:18 am
Ruingaraf Scare Tactic Propaganda Ruingaraf Simple. Text talk should be outlawed in the ED. o-o I agree. I think/hope we're allowed to do something about threads for being illegible or written an half-baked english. I've reported a few for that. I'll contact my mentor to be sure, and if I'm given the go-ahead I'll start moving threads to the CB for that. If not, that'll be a thread for Site Feedback once I get around to that. YES! You're a mod? I wish. I'm just a helper.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:34 am
The response I got from my mentor: Pandora Box I can see what you mean, and I believe it would depend on how bad it is. ED isn't school, as you say, so I don't think it can be banned completely here but there is a certain standard of expectations in ED. So, for example, if someone posts "i think aborshun is bad" that post could be deleted for spamming. Or I've moved threads where the subject is fine, but the first post isn't ED-worthy, i.e. (I'm completely making this example up) "wut do you think about gay marrige? i dont think it should be alloed cuz the bible sez marriage is 4 1 man and 1 woman. tell me ur opinon." On the off chance that someone posts a fully thought-out, perfectly ED-worthy response except for the fact that it's written in chatpseak -- if it can be understood, then I don't think it should be deleted/moved just for having chatspeak. If it's a thread (rather than a post in another thread) in Extended Discussion, it should probably be moved, but whoever moves it should make a note to the poster that the subject is fine (assuming it is appropriate) but that they should try to use proper spelling and grammar in ED, and if they want to remake the thread doing so they'd be welcome to. I hope that's clear. As far as I can imagine, this would more often than not come in combination with spamming, and the case where something needs to be moved just because it's in chatspeak, where otherwise it's a perfect post, that seems like it's very unlikely to happen. Unless you have a specific post in mind? Scare Tactic Propaganda Can threads/posts be reported for being written in a half-baked form of English? I'm not talking about just completely illegible threads or posts, but what about posts where users type "lyk dis!" or in txt tlk? I know the ED isn't school, but it's supposed to be for intelligent discussions and that's why I'm asking. I really don't think users should be able to take part in intelligent discussions if they can't take the time to spell-check, so if this isn't a reason to move it'll be something I'll post to Site Feedback along with a Homework Help subforum, but that's besides the point.
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