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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:00 pm
This thread is specifically for interaction between Astaire and her victi... er... mentees.
So. I'm Astaire. I'm an 18 year old poet/critic who has been writing poetry for about 10 years and critiquing for about 6. All I can say is that both require a lot of practice, learning and patience, but hard work is almost always paid off in both areas. It is with this knowledge that I hope to help the poets of this guild improve their poetry and guide them through their struggles. I've always taken the "I'm here to help" philosophy as a critic, so I figured I'd take the next step and become a mentor.
Generally, I write freeverse, but I have had some experience in form poetry. I have taken a few classes in high school and college (I'm a sophomore in college at the time of this post) but a lot of what I've learned is self-taught, with the help of other poets and critics.
I write, study and critique poetry because I love it. It's a passion of mine, and it's something I don't think I could live without. The art has defined a major portion of my life, and despite the love-hate relationship I often have with my work, it's amazing how much it defines me. I care a lot about the craft and the beauty of poetry, and I'm hoping (as mentees) that you do, as well.
Mentor's note: I have no dreaded Poetess Ego, but I have been known to be irredeemably blunt. It's something you'll have to get used to. heart
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:39 pm
Hello, Ms. Astaire. biggrin I think I'll start with posting a poem I recently wrote Quote: Bottle Cap Spinning around like a wedding ring, Cap and Bottle attach together like Kanga and Roo. Their liquefied children sleep in their mother's marsupial pouch, waiting for a human to take them for a ride in a throat; waterslides are always fun. My biggest problem with writing is to keep all the images flowing smoothly throughout the poem. I heard somewhere that if you have an image of wood (let's say) in the first stanza or two, you should make sure to incorporate that wood image in the following stanza(s). I sometimes have trouble doing that, because I always seem to run out of things to say--besides the obvious. sweatdrop I'm sure I have other problems, but I won't be able to spot them until I write more and more. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:07 pm
Pencilled In Hello, Ms. Astaire. biggrin Hello to you too, mademoiselle. heart So you know, because I tend to forget what I want to say, I tend to line-by-line nearly EVERYTHING that people write when they present poetry to me. That way, I remember what I was talking/thinking about. heart I think I'll start with posting a poem I recently wrote Quote: Bottle Cap Mm. I saw this piece on the forums, but I figured that it was going to end up here. I did read it, however, and now that I am reading it again, let's see what I have to say about it.Spinning around like a wedding ring, heart Cap and Bottle attach together "attach together" is fairly redundant. I saw your original, and I remember this line mentioning the cap and bottle wedded or something to that effect. I almost wish you could bring that back in a subtle way, because your transition from marriage to mother/child relationship seems a bit too abrupt.like Kanga and Roo. Their liquefied children "Their" implies "Kanga and Roo" from the last line, and if they have children, that's... incestuous. eek I'm pretty sure that's not what you mean. But I don't know if Kanga and Roo should be used as a metaphor for what seems to be a marriage. If anything, Roo would be the liquid, not the bottle/cap. sleep in their mother's marsupial pouch, waiting for a human to take them for a ride in a throat; waterslides A throat doesn't sound right to me, especially since the human is most likely going to take them for a ride in his or her throat.are always fun. Not always. Ever get a wedgie from one of those? NOT FUN. Painful childhood memories aside, I'm not sure about this last line. Water slides are always fun? Hm. Well, okay, I guess aside from the wedgies they are, but how does this relate to the original theme? I feel that there could be something stronger to end this piece. My biggest problem with writing is to keep all the images flowing smoothly throughout the poem. Well, you have a good start in that you kept the bottle and cap strongly as a subject throughout the entire piece without diverting. Strong sense of subject will ultimately help you control your imagery. I heard somewhere that if you have an image of wood (let's say) in the first stanza or two, you should make sure to incorporate that wood image in the following stanza(s). Generally, though you could expand outward... Perhaps in this instance, you could go into some more general imagery about carpentry, forests, or lumberjacks. I'M A LUMBERJACK AND I'M OKAY, I SLEEP ALL NIGHT AND I WORK ALL DAAAAAAY xp I sometimes have trouble doing that, because I always seem to run out of things to say--besides the obvious. sweatdrop A lot of poets have that problem. Believe it or not, I tend to do research when I face this dilemma; the internet is a wonderful tool for writers' block in more ways than you'd expect. Let's say I was writing a poem about... well, let's stick with wood. Being a scientist, I may decide to research some properties of wood that I could incorperate into poetry. You could try wikipedia, some sort of carpentry website, slang dictionaries (morning wood, anyone?) or any source you can think of for inspiration on the subject.I'm sure I have other problems, but I won't be able to spot them until I write more and more. 3nodding You're actually doing all right for yourself. I just pointed out the places I thought could use some editing.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:20 pm
Thank you. By the Kanga and Roo line, I just mean that the cap and bottle belong with each other like the two (Kanga and Roo). 3nodding I'll see what I can do about editing it. smile Edit: Well, I already edited the poem. Here it is: Quote: Bottle Cap Spinning around like a wedding ring, Cap and Bottle attach ("I do" echoing...) like Kanga and Roo. Cap springs open, and Bottle is filled with life. Their liquefied children sleep in their mother's marsupial pouch, waiting for a human to take them for a ride in their throat; waterslides are family fun, but landing in toxic waste is torture, unless Mother holds you. By the way, I'm a guy. wink
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:05 pm
Ah! Sorry for making that assumption, dear. I always figure it's easiest to call people by the gender of their avatars and then just get corrected later. emotion_sweatdrop
Will critique the revision when I'm feeling less tired. Most likely in the morning. heart
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:41 am
Pencilled In Thank you. By the Kanga and Roo line, I just mean that the cap and bottle belong with each other like the two (Kanga and Roo). 3nodding That makes sense, but I think it would most likely be better if you made the mother-and-child comparison more clear with them rather than having them with the marriage line (because Lucy and Ricky or Bonnie and Clyde could easily be there, too.)I'll see what I can do about editing it. smile Edit: Well, I already edited the poem. Here it is: Quote: Bottle Cap Spinning around like a wedding ring, Cap and Bottle attach ("I do" echoing...) like Kanga and Roo. Cap springs open, and Bottle is filled with life. Their liquefied children I still don't know if I like the vague nature of "their," but it does work better now that Cap and Bottle are in the line previous to it rather than Kanga and Roo.sleep in their mother's marsupial pouch, waiting for a human to take them for a ride in their throat; waterslides Actually, their doesn't go with "a human." Maybe "waiting for humans" would fix it?are family fun, but landing in toxic waste is torture, You don't need the comma there.unless Mother holds you. Better ending. heart By the way, I'm a guy. wink
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:23 pm
Okay, with the help of this critique and Oxxi's critique, I made my third edit. You know, editing this poem is a lot easier than I thought it was going to be. Quote: Bottle Cap Spinning around like a wedding ring, cap and bottle attach ("I do" echoing...) like Kanga and Roo. Cap jumps open, and bottle is filled water babies. ("I'll name them Joey.") Their liquefied children sleep in their mother's marsupial pouch, waiting for a human to take them for a ride in their throat; waterslides are family fun, but landing in toxic waste is torture. If I changed the "waiting for humans" the single "throat" wouldn't make sense; "their throats" subtley pulls away from the flow, I feel. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:00 pm
Pencilled In Okay, with the help of this critique and Oxxi's critique, I made my third edit. Hah. I'm glad to hear you didn't use Ivyana's... You know, editing this poem is a lot easier than I thought it was going to be. That's the joy of getting critiqued. heart Quote: Bottle Cap Spinning around like a wedding ring, cap and bottle attach ("I do" echoing...) like Kanga and Roo. Cap jumps open, and bottle is filled With? If you aren't going to use with, at least fix this grammatically somehow, because "and bottle is filled water babies" isn't working.water babies. ("I'll name them Joey.") Who's "I"? The first person comes out of nowhere.Their liquefied children sleep in their mother's marsupial pouch, waiting for a human to take them for a ride in their throat; waterslides are family fun, but landing Meh. The linebreak is a bit awkward here.in toxic waste is torture. If I changed the "waiting for humans" the single "throat" wouldn't make sense; "their throats" subtley pulls away from the flow, I feel. sweatdrop If that's what you feel...It's getting better... getting better all the time. heart
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:05 pm
oh s**t! I forgot the "with." xd "I" is this bottle. I thought that was obvious. confused
Thank you.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:21 pm
Pencilled In oh s**t! I forgot the "with." xd "I" is this bottle. I thought that was obvious. confused Thank you. It really could be bottle or cap. But I guess it doesn't matter.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:39 pm
New poem! xp Okay, everyone always says to read poetry to pick up on the different techniques you like, don't like, et cetera. Well, I got out my E.E. Cummings book of poetry. What I noticed about his style was (no, not the obvious) that he usually delivered his poems with a simplistic tone, rarely using similes (at least in the poems I read). So I wanted to try and put a bit of his style into my style of poetry; don't worry, it won't be one of those E.E. Cummings wanna-be type poems. wink Quote: Ex Eye of PerfectionDeath crosses out Life from living, breathing reality. A(s)a outhern wind confuses Father -- high in his throne, white dust: clouds -- into thinking It is Earth, Earth strikes back. It spits out "Revolting!" flames from Hell-like volcanoes. Love interrupts "Rude!"ly; humanity is new Life.
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:11 am
So.
I have been trying to get this poem for a couple of days now.
And it's not coming to me. I think I KINDA get it, but I really don't want to risk analyzing this poem on a totally off interpretation.
Would you mind explaining your intention to me, or at least pushing me in the right direction? crying I'm sorry. I can be really dumb sometimes, and you have to forgive me for that.
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:26 am
Astaire So. I have been trying to get this poem for a couple of days now. And it's not coming to me. I think I KINDA get it, but I really don't want to risk analyzing this poem on a totally off interpretation. Would you mind explaining your intention to me, or at least pushing me in the right direction? crying I'm sorry. I can be really dumb sometimes, and you have to forgive me for that. Well, here's how I got to writing the poem: I wanted to try and write a poem with the title of only a letter. I chose X. Usually, when I think of an X (outside of the alphabet xp ), I think of crossing out, death, et cetera. I then realized "Hey! X is 10 in Roman numerals. I could make it 10 lines." Well, I wasn't able to make it 10 lines, so I changed the title to XI. I made the poem eleven lines, read it, and decided to change the title once again. I chose "Ex Eye of Perfection" because (to me) the poem is kind of talking about perfection being lost, in a sense. Also, Ex Eye=XI=11...lines in the poem. I think the poem is mainly talking about how humans are both devilish and Earthly at the same time. By the way, the only E.E. Cummings thing I used was the third line, really. I hope that made sense. gonk
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:09 pm
Pencilled In New poem! xp Okay, everyone always says to read poetry to pick up on the different techniques you like, don't like, et cetera. Well, I got out my E.E. Cummings book of poetry. What I noticed about his style was (no, not the obvious) that he usually delivered his poems with a simplistic tone, rarely using similes (at least in the poems I read). So I wanted to try and put a bit of his style into my style of poetry; don't worry, it won't be one of those E.E. Cummings wanna-be type poems. wink Quote: Ex Eye of PerfectionDeath crosses out Life from living, breathing reality. A(s)a outhern wind confuses Hah. I see the E.E. Cummings influence here.Father -- high in his throne, white dust: clouds -- into thinking It is Earth, I think the It is where things get confusing. What is IT referring to?Earth strikes back. All I can think of with this line is THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!!! YEAH STAR WARSIt spits out "Revolting!" flames from Hell-like volcanoes. Hell-like? Oh? And what makes them Hell-like, exactly?Love interrupts "Rude!"ly; humanity Hm. Interesting that you don't capitalize humanity.is new Life. Hm. Veeeeeeeeeeeeh~ri intehrestink, dahlink.
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:17 pm
Astaire Pencilled In New poem! xp Okay, everyone always says to read poetry to pick up on the different techniques you like, don't like, et cetera. Well, I got out my E.E. Cummings book of poetry. What I noticed about his style was (no, not the obvious) that he usually delivered his poems with a simplistic tone, rarely using similes (at least in the poems I read). So I wanted to try and put a bit of his style into my style of poetry; don't worry, it won't be one of those E.E. Cummings wanna-be type poems. wink Quote: Ex Eye of PerfectionDeath crosses out Life from living, breathing reality. A(s)a outhern wind confuses Hah. I see the E.E. Cummings influence here.Father -- high in his throne, white dust: clouds -- into thinking It is Earth, I think the It is where things get confusing. What is IT referring to?Earth strikes back. All I can think of with this line is THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!!! YEAH STAR WARSIt spits out "Revolting!" flames from Hell-like volcanoes. Hell-like? Oh? And what makes them Hell-like, exactly?Love interrupts "Rude!"ly; humanity Hm. Interesting that you don't capitalize humanity.is new Life. Hm. Veeeeeeeeeeeeh~ri intehrestink, dahlink. "It" is the southern wind. I wanted to try and create a subtle metaphor with that (the confusing wind being Hell) part. 3nodding As a southern wind confuses Father into thinking It is Earth. Originally, it was Hell(ike volcanoes), but someone commented that the parentheses seemed awkward. I read it again and agreed, so I changed it. 3nodding
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