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 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:03 am
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:57 pm
Menstrual Cramps Half of me hates this idea, and half of me loves it. All of me sure hates it. Probably enough for the both of us. ;D
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:05 pm
Kaidan Menstrual Cramps Half of me hates this idea, and half of me loves it. All of me sure hates it. Probably enough for the both of us. ;D I think it's my guilty love for Gackt. For some reason, the inner fangirl in me wants out so she can go to the event. Yoshiki is a plus too. ):
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:59 pm
I'm going mostly out of curiosity.
But I may have to bring earplugs due to Gackt's voice.
D:
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:16 am
I smell fail
i'm sure alot of fangirls will eat it raw though
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:13 pm
Id be a lot happier if Gackt and Miyavi weren't in it.
Miyavi is...decent I suppose a musician if someone could just shoot a tranq into his neck.
Gackt...eh...he's had better days.
They could have gotten some really legendary musicians, I think, but instead we got fangirl fodder.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:09 am
Sai-kun They could have gotten some really legendary musicians, I think, but instead we got fangirl fodder. But, wasn't that the whole point, anyway?
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:45 pm
MadTiger Sai-kun They could have gotten some really legendary musicians, I think, but instead we got fangirl fodder. But, wasn't that the whole point, anyway? So true...all along I was hoping for a true megaband...of really amazing and influential jrockers, but I guess I was the one mistaken XD The purpose was always intended just to bring together some of the popular, pretty faces of VK and make a killing off of fangirls...
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:00 pm
I mean, on the bright(?) side, Yoshiki understands what people here in the US want and how to make money off of them.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:18 pm
It's true...S.K.I.N suits the American fandom's tastes much more than I'd say it suits a Japanese audience's tastes.
I dont really begrudge the band's existence, and I'm sure the music is awesome (though I can't tell from the crappy sound quality on the vid clips I watched).
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:42 am
They were alright, but just as I expected, Gackt kind of killed it for me.
The instrumental they did was rather neat though.
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:49 pm
nya ~ I still don't understand how people can be against S.K.I.N. or how anyone can fangirl over Sugizo >> but yeah, I seriously think that anyone who isn't paying attention to the music not the people needs to die of AIDS
the concert was awesome the lyrics lacked there some, I really wonder who wrote them. Well the basis of S.K.I.N. is not meant for Japan, if anyone's read the goals of the band in the official site which I doubt anyone has.
I support S.K.I.N. entirely I grew up listening to these musicians and would gladly give a left arm if they could have gotten Toshiya in it which was their plan but he had better things to do >>
Everyone is paying too much attention to things they've done in the past " I don't like Gackt because he's a selfish b*****d" well let's see, if you were in Gackt's position with everythign he's accomplish how would you act? "Miyavi is too damn hyper someone give him tranqs" umm people who are depressive are cool, but people who are overly happy are dangerous? riight, take your Prozac and try to cheer me up to hear your music then we'll talk -rolls eyes-
I barely hear complaints over Sugizo and Yoshiki though, I wonder why.
In any case I can't change your minds but I'd at least like to enlighten you.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:14 am
Wall o' text, hang onto your attention spans and you will hopefully see my point:
To us old curmudgeons, Yoshiki and Sugizo are a part of the old guard, when VK wasn't as saccharine and insipid (although Yoshiki and Sugizo obviously both knew the value of making the fangirls squee and ran with it.).
Yoshiki and Sugizo were part of bands (although my like for Luna Sea kinda ebbs and flows a lot, most of the time they bore me to death) that changed the face of Japanese pop and rock music. The things they did paved the way for a lot of great artists to come after them. (You gotta acknowledge that Yoshiki, X Japan, Sugizo and Luna Sea were all in turn also influenced by previously manifested movings and shakings in Japanese rock and pop that began before their time).
I have to say I enjoyed VK more back then than I do now.
S.K.I.N is a pure marketing tool, another crafty idea by that meglomaniacal Yoshiki (I will smack anyone who says this was Gackt's brainchild, and yes people have alleged that before simply because Gackt is a more familiar name to them than Yoshiki ::sighs:: Fandom. Its what they do.)
Yeah its cool to see some VK "greats" get together, but who's eyes are they great in? The eyes of the fledgling Western fandom, whose view of what Japanese rock is still really quite narrow and myopic, and frankly unfounded in anything else but their own fantasies.
The fandom thinks Dir en grey is the biggest band in the world (and that every member of Diru should've been in the superband lineup at one point), the be all and end all of Japanese bands. Truth to tell, people, Diru is not THAT huge in Japan compared to some other much better established, more well-known and revered bands and artists. Its like claiming Diru is Japan's Beatles, influencing everybody and their mothers when in fact, Diru is like...Japan's...Creed...that band they won't stop playing on the alternative rock channel or something.
As I said, I dont particularly begrudge the existence of the band. I'm sure they are absolutely fantabulous and so pop!catchy you want to kick someone in the teeth.
I think a REAL Japanese superband wouldn't have these members, but once again as was said before and as you pointed out, this band was created for Western audiences, and not really in the true interest of promoting Eastern music.
Sidenote: The Meevsters is actually better now than he was a year or two ago...really exploring a more artsy side and actually saying something of substance. He seems very aware of what it means to be a VK musician these days. But is he one of greats? Nope.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:25 pm
nya ~ I don't think you have ever spent a saturday night on the streets of Chiba have you? for any case in Tokyo, and actually if anything Dir en Grey is Japan's Korn, they're known a little more than Psycho Le cemu, bands of that nature in japan.
Actually ( and this is a fact) most people who like Jrock who are outside Japan have no idea who X Japan is, or Luna Sea, they might know Miyavi, but it is also very rare. Put simply, Gackt is what will make them successful, Gackt is the face that western fans know, not sugizo and certainly not Miyavi.
The band simply began as an idea between Gackt and Yoshiki over dinner, and that's it. Trying to find a "conspiracy" in this is very imprudent and immature :l
Though, the reason these four were chosen was because not because of their success level, nor how popular they are. It was simply because all of these musicians knew one or the other and decided they should be in a band. Maybe it's a conscidence of their fandom ( I hate word) and distinctive talent, sure there may be other musicians who might have been considered I know I would rather have Kiyoharu sing than Gackt, but I never heard of Yoshiki casually having tea with Kiyoharu ever.
maybe Kozi would have been a better pick for the guitar played but that didn't happen.
The truth you cannot ignore is that Yoshiki is known as the Father of Jrock, and everyone is always going to love him no matter what, Sugizo is known for Luna Sea who influenced so many bands and many kei guitarists give him credit, Gackt is basically the voice that saved Malice Mizer after Tetsu ( and I couldn't stand the sound of tetsu's voice it was horrible) not to mention his success in the pop world and with his theme song for that Dirge of whatever game that just gained him more popularity. But why is Gackt so famous? I doubt you've considered that question. I don't hate him and I'm not inlove with him, but he has a great voice that he can control unlike other musicians, and that is a truth.
Sidenote: I'm glad you finally start to make sense, but I don't recall anyone saying " the greats" anywhere, it was simply put the biggests names in Japan, and Miyavi is someone you cannot deny will become one of the greats, unlike the mundane world of Visual artists he sounds nothing like them and he isn't afraid to take risks these cookie cutter musicians do. And that's why Yoshiki asked him to be in the band.
(These are all things I've observed and think, I'm not trying to prove you wrong or anything, it's simply put that I can see things through the Japanese point of View and the American point of view and yours is very one sided my friend :/ )
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:29 pm
Dude, dont bash the Tetsu, he went on to do great things in music. He might not be plastered all over bilboards and voguing for men's cosmetics, but have you ever heard Zigzo? 'Nuff said. Zigzo has its own cult following in indie music.
And yes. I've been to Tokyo a couple of times. And other than the ocassional ad here and there (they're well known and well-liked in certain circles, but they're not the Beatles, is what I'm saying. If you gotta compare them to Korn...Korn ain't the Beatles either), they're not exactly on everybody's lips right now.
If anything...the VK band du jour right is Nightmare...can't escape them.
And please do a little more research into the Japanese music scene as a whole. I wouldn't say Yoshiki is the father of jrock...maybe to Western fans whose knowledge of Japanese music only extends as far back as 90's visual kei, he would be considered the originator of all that rocks.
Don't get me wrong, I probably would have a little starstruck shitfit if I got to see him in person, I love X Japan (I pity the foo who doesn't at least KNOW of X Japan and Luna Sea, even if they don't like them. Youngin's these days. Come on guys, they're not THAT old >P)
And no, Kiyoharu ain't having tea parties with Yoshiki.
I am pretty sure Yoshiki and co. thought this over very clearly. The reason why they didn't hit up Kiyoharu is that none of the scene kids they wanted to please know who the s**t Kiyoharu is. He wouldn't sell, he's not the image they wanted.
They deliberately wanted people they knew would be recognized and already have a well-established audience in the U.S. People the kids would piss their pants over.
And g'lord child, Kozi would not be the best choice >_< Just because he was in OMGMALICEMIZER doesn't mean he is the greatest guitarist known to Japanese rock. Just because the Western fandom KNOW of him doesn't automatically make him the greatest or the most fitting musician for a band like this. Or is he? Damn, if you want to please the Western fandom, let's just have a freaking U.S. Malice Mizer reunion tour.
The jrock that is most familiar to the West is not an accurate and full picture of what the rock scene really is in Japan. A lot is left out by the fandom. Not all Japanese rock musicians wear eyeliner and glitter and nance around in hot pants ^_^; What we consider the biggest and the best is not necessarily correct.
Go take a look at the recent Oricon charts, I can assure you that Miyavi and Gackt are not topping the charts right now. They're really NOT the biggest names in Japan. If anything...Avril Lavigne is currently the sweetheart of Japanese pop and rock.
Frankly, I think you are viewing jrock as many current fans do, through a very certain idealized (and Westernized) lens...through rose colored glasses if you will?
It's fine to like these guys, to idolize them even, but you gotta know the bigger picture, too.
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