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Omnipotent Uncertainties Captain
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 Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:15 am
I have recently begun to ponder hate, and its nature. Why is it that humans experience this emotion? Over the years, it has been a powerful motivator for all maners of crimes, the instigator of wars and the basis for racial and sexual prejudice. I am a firm believer that, although humans are essentially animals, we have evloved beyond the need for many of our animalistic traits, and have even evolved the ability to resist our animalistic instincts to a greater or lesser degree.So I started to wonder, perhaps it is time we leave the emotion of hate behind in our evoloutionary history also, shead it like a sullied robe. But then again, perhaps we still have need of this emotion, perhaps we always will, perhaps it is simply part of being human.
What is your position on hate? How do you deal with hate in your life? either your own or the hate of others? Do you believe hate is a valuable element of the human condition , or that it should be discarded?
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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:42 am
Hate can be seen as a defense mechanism I guess. (Emotions aren't really my thing in Psychology)
That's why it has been evolved to be. It will take many thousands of years to erase it from evolutionary history.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:37 pm
We hate because we love... Is what I would say if I were some sort of person that had some sort of sense about some sort of emotions. But I'm not and I won't ever be.
We hate simply because it is in our nature. We hate what we don't understand and what we don't want to understand. We hate because it is our own way of telling ourselves we do not like or want something. Hate comes with fear and fear with hate. We hate what we fear and often times fear what we hate. Sometimes we hate fear or fear hate. I ramble and repeat myself.
tl;dr, We hate to survive.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:37 pm
I beleive that if you love , you hate because love and hate are opposites.
Love can't exist without Hate and vice versa.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:13 pm
Hate. One of the most basic emotions. It is one of the primal instincts and it will never be gotten rid of. It is common that a person hates someone over something gone awry. It's just Human Nature to hate. Simple as. We can control it to a certain extent but there is always that moment when you just have to blow a fuse.
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:24 am
Hate is, yes, a primal instinct. As a mild evolutionist, I'm going to say that perhaps it stems from how, in the dawn of man, we as animals then (though we are still animals now too) behaved as such. When it came to territory or the protection of the pack, some aggression would be needed and that's why even now we as humans grow to hate certain things. Someone punches your best friend in the face--that activates the protection instinct. Of course we're going to be upset with that person who punched your best friend, perhaps even be driven to want to eradicate that person, but that's only if you bypass all means of rationality.
Personally, I'm not a hateful person but I do have a large amount of dislike for certain things. Not that I can help it; I mean, this guild itself was based upon something close to hate: annoyance. We have an intellectuals confederation and that's the start of turning away the "lesser" individuals, aka the ones who can't type or don't know how to properly apply grammar. So all in all, we've probably already deviated from putting hate behind us in our evolutionary history. Even the two "anti-" tags for the guild is another step backwards for all of us. But not that it's a bad thing, as we've already agreed when we clicked "join".
I don't necessarily deal with too much hate in my life, because as I said, I don't have a lot in me. I used to be utterly spiteful (maybe what, 2 years ago?) but it was more harmful to me than it was to others, so I got over myself despite I had to go through a suicide attempt for it. As for the hate of others, I can't change them so I try to speak to them rationally, but if they don't take, then I can't be bothered to try to help them with it. I stay out of the way. With that, however, I -do- think hate is a valuable element of the human condition. Too much is bad, but if its reasoning can be explained logically to the mind and rationally to emotion, then I believe that there is reason it should be there. Hate is just something else to understand, or at the very least, another medium in which people can see things differently.
Put simply, hate is a driving force that's sometimes necessary for basic interaction. How would life be without conflict, peaceful? I don't think so; peace comes after resolve. With nothing to resolve, there just wouldn't be anything, period. While it's not valuable in -my- life, again, it's just a driving force in life in general. Hate at a very soft level is what helps us disagree and when we make sense of it, that's when we gather an opinion.
..I've rambled and come this far only to just want to stop. Hopefully this was understandable though. Describing my feeling on a topic so broad is a complex task.
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Omnipotent Uncertainties Captain
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:00 pm
Very astute ze proffesionalle. Your observation that the guild was founded on hate, or something close to, is quite correct. We, as members, have chosen to segregate ourselves from the proverbial "unwashed masses", because we find their mannerisms and inability to apply grammar correctly offensive. Indeed, it could be viewed that we are trying to defend ourselves, just as our ancestors would once have, by finding safety in numbers and walling ourselves off. In that respect, it could even be said that we have not evolved whatsoever in our need to protect, or our disposition to hate.
But then, the only reason we would not have evolved is because we still had need of these reflexes, these instincts, so one must wonder if we as a species ever will.
I did have to deal with both my own hate and the hate of another in my life. We were friends as children, but had a major falling out, the details of which I feel are too personal disclose. We developed a mutual hate for each other. However, the hate consumed him, and when I realised how he was being twisted, I rejected the fouling effects of that hate, and moved on with my own life. I am sorry to hear you went through a suicide experience to reach that state yourself.
Don't ever be afraid to ramble in this guild either, just so long as you stay on topic, you'll be ok.
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Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:46 am
I agree with what most have already mentioned,
and would like to add; You cannot have Love without Hate, they balance each other out (though I guess its not much explanation)
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Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:42 pm
I agree with everything that you guys have said. But I'd also like to add, as we grow, we see how our parents or role models act, and we tend to want to act like them. So If they hate something, I think that it will rub off on other people.
But I really cant stand, racists.
My little cousin who is going to turn 10 soon, is already racist. As you know, and can probably tell, I am a Michael Jackson fan, and I was showing my cousin the "Smooth Criminal" video, and he told me he wished Michael Jackson wasnt black, because black people cant sing as good as white people.
I asked his what did that matter? He didnt have a reason, but just because he is black.
I know this isnt exactly a sign of hate, but if hes already talking like that, I dont want to think what he will be like when he gets older.
The point is, if parents cant watch themselves, and what they say in front of their kids, how will we ever get along?
and another thing, everyones brain is wired differently, we all have things we like, some we dislike. Some things we like more than others, same goes for dislike to the point of hating something. It just makes us who we are. But that doesnt give us the right to be judgemental.
maybe instead of evolving out of it, maybe can learn more tolerance of other people and what they like or hate.
but thats just my oppinion.
and ask for dealing with hate.
I usually go by House's method on doing things, dealing with my problems, by not dealing with them. There is no use in making a fool of yourself, because you think differently on something. So if its a person, I just ignore them. Like I'm doing my ex best friend right now.
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:03 am
without hate, there would be nothin to balance love,
right wrong, ying yang, up down, peace war,
there has to be somethin else to to reflect the opposite,
otherwise life would be kinda borin with only havin happiness and likin everythin, and not everyone would want to like everythin would they?
so i think that no matter what, there has to be hate,
it makes life more interestin and makes the world go round
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:55 am
This "hate is a necessary balance for love" stuff really gets me down. It makes a sort of logical sense, but since when was logical sense the more appropriate way to interpret irrational human emotions? It's not, it's a load of crap.
Hate is much more than a mere counterbalance to our softer emotions. It's at least as powerful as love, and is an impressively intoxicating emotion, responsible for much more goodness, courage and beauty than it is ever given credit for.
Hate is not the root of evil, it is the root of the violent, feudal, vengeful, animal basis of humanity, and this can sometimes be a good thing.
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:17 am
Invictus_88 This "hate is a necessary balance for love" stuff really gets me down. It makes a sort of logical sense, but since when was logical sense the more appropriate way to interpret irrational human emotions? It's not, it's a load of crap.
Agreed, the notion that love and hate exist as a kind of balance for each other makes no sense to me, as does the notion that one cannot exist without the other. People can, and have lead extended periods of their lives with out feeling hate, be that period the result of some great inner peace being attained or the result of chemical imbalances in the brain, and yet they can, and have, love or loved respectievely.
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Omnipotent Uncertainties Captain
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:17 am
I would agree with most of what you are saying.
Hate is usually born out of fear (such as homophobia and racism), often with its basis in sterotypes or how one has been raised. This is also having to do with ignorance because since the person that hates often has no real idea of the people they are sterotyping are like as real people and not just as a statistic.
Real hatred toward parents -- which leads in later years to direct rebellion, is either born from overprotectiveness or being virtually ignored.
I know it sounds crazy, but I have had both happen. Also for some reason I am referencing Barty Crouch, Jr in the "against parents."
In becoming independant, I never thought of myself as being homophobic or racist, but the truth of it is, sometimes I still do think a certain way, even though I have best friends on both sides of the sector. They're great people, and I do have this "don't judge" policy.
I must admit due to the hipocrasy I have seen, I've lost alot of my religion. Which can lead to hate as well. When one group thinks they're better than everyone else, it leads to problems. Weather they really are better is a moot point.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:43 am
I am of the opinion of it coming from humanity's past... stuck in the subconcious, if you will, along with all other emotion...
I am of the opinion that many of our emotions are outdated and, while not discarded, if they could be they should be; humanity will destroy itself without that discarding.
But more on-topic, I am of the opinion that hate is simply the result of ignorance, which also causes fear.
"Fear is our oldest and strongest emotion, and the strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown."
If we merely knew what it was we were hating, then would we still hate it?
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:42 pm
I believe hate is just a way humans can fight when they are brocken and destroyed. I have noticed that dealing with my own anger has taught me everything i think i need to know about it. I could pick a fight with a man stronger than me and always lose because anger pushes you beyond your limits.
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