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Talkor

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:35 am


What are your thoughts on it? smile
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:01 pm


Yes and no, It has its up's and downs if it is made legal.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:15 pm


Hmm. I personally am against the legalization of marijuana.
Even if used for medical purposes, its health consequences are great. Besides, I have too many marijuana users in my area for my liking. That number will only increase if it's legalized.
I'm allergic to cigarette smoke, and marijuana's even worse for me. I can get seriously sick if exposed to it for more than a little more than a minute. So it's really more of a personal "I-don't-want-to-die-before-I-even-turn-twenty-five" kind of thing.
Think about it. Supposedly making marijuana the United States' cash crop will help end the recession, but is it morally right to help oneself by selling drugs that will ultimately harm others?
Surely there must be some alternative. Of course, if the legalization is passed, then many more addicts will start coming out of the cracks. Drug addiction is enough of an issue already. The last thing anyone needs is easy access to more drugs.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:15 pm


Exarielle BlackLaw

Think about it. Supposedly making marijuana the United States' cash crop will help end the recession, but is it morally right to help oneself by selling drugs that will ultimately harm others?


This is the premise that pretty much every entrepreneur in the US based their wealth off of.

Btw, we have a huge market on viagara, painkillers, and caffeine.

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Fayrouza

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:51 pm


i'm a muslim and in islam anything that makes your mind work in a different way (as in making you do things you won't do sober) is a sin such as Alcohol marijuana heroine and there is a bunch of good reasons for that
bring me someone who's addicted to anything and someone who's clean and let's make a comparison between thier lives to see who is leading a healthier life and it's obvouis who is gonna win
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:10 pm


I figured this would be the wrong place to ask for an opinion on cannabis.

@BlackLaw I'm not even sure how to approach this. You... You just... Okay let's start here, cannabis smoke IS more dangerous in that it contains more carcinogens than cigarettes, however it is not the THC that is dangerous it is the burning plant matter, all smoke is bad for you. There are no known cases of a person of animal or ANYTHING being allergic to cannabis. You probably just aren't used to being exposed to smoke for extended periods.

Now, by legalizing marijuana for medicinal and industrial use is exactly what our country needs, think about it, cannabis can be used for hemp which let me give you a little list of it's uses here; Food, fuel, clothing, building material, cosmetics, paints, and paper, just to name a few wink . Medical marijuana has been in use for centuries, we use it now with artificial THC to treat the same things that we use the real stuff for, except it has worse side-effects.

Marijuana is not physically addictive unlike alcohol, nicotine, heroin, morphine, any tranquilizer, oh and every single anti-depressant in existence. Although, fun-fact, you will never find a stoner that uses tranquilizers, anti-depressants or just about any other bullshit medication, we don't need them, we're happy and healthy.

Did you know that there has never been a single death related to marijuana? Did you know that there has never been a violent crime committed over marijuana?

The Union - The Business Behind Getting High

The Shafer Report, commissioned by President Richard M. Nixon. wink

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Talkor

PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:15 pm


By the way, there isn't a single person out there that doesn't smoke dank nugs, just because it's illegal, nobody doesn't smoke crack, because the law says not to. People will always find away. Drugs are a victimless crime, the only person at fault is the person sticking the needle in their arm. I have friends that are tweakers and they don't blame anybody for their addiction other than themselves. Their the ones sticking that s**t in them, not the dealers, no the dealer just wants money and you got money, not that what they're doing is right mind you, I disapprove of hard drugs, but you can't lump the tree of life, God's plant in with dope.

God made marijuana, Hitler made heroin.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:32 pm


Although I wouldn't touch marijuana myself, I am not adverse to its use and legalization. I do have my concerns about the health of those who make use of the "drug" (debatable) but in another way, yes, I do believe that if legalized, the cash influx would be great. As Doc Yueh said already, no one's ever died directly from smoking marijuana so why should it even count as a worse tool than a cigarette? Or should they be illegal too then?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:20 am


While I personally would never use it myself (I would never smoke a cigarette either, though,) I feel it's legalization would be an logical step for this country to make. It's a fairly documentable fact of human nature: if we can't have something, we want it even more. For example, mexico recently decriminalized (not made it legal, but gave it the same penalty as a speeding ticket,) not only marijuana but also cocaine and hallucinogenic mushrooms. and the result? traffic into the country stopped, traffic out of the country dropped even more, police forces have had their un-paid over-time hours drastically cut, and drug fueled raids across the country (and into ours,) are almost non-existent. If something is easier to get, then less other crime is committed to get it (how many times have you heard of a coke-head stealing for his next score because it was $300 an ounce?) Also, the people that are addicted will find ways to get their drugs whether it's legal or not. And if it is legal, it only hurts them, and less then it would if it was illegal. Also. Marijuana is insignificantly different from cigarettes in terms of carcinogens or other second hand dangers (in fact, depending on how it is grown, it can be less so.) For excellent examples of how making select things legal can improve social harmony, just take a quick look at Amsterdam or Boulder.

But a side not to doctor Yueh: I have seen, personally, many, many violent acts committed over weed. It is not physically addictive, no, but it is one of the most powerfully psychologically addictive substances in existence, along with opiates like heroin or crystal methamphetamine, though those do also come with powerful physical addictions.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:50 am


Gnomes-san
While I personally would never use it myself (I would never smoke a cigarette either, though,) I feel it's legalization would be an logical step for this country to make. It's a fairly documentable fact of human nature: if we can't have something, we want it even more. For example, mexico recently decriminalized (not made it legal, but gave it the same penalty as a speeding ticket,) not only marijuana but also cocaine and hallucinogenic mushrooms. and the result? traffic into the country stopped, traffic out of the country dropped even more, police forces have had their un-paid over-time hours drastically cut, and drug fueled raids across the country (and into ours,) are almost non-existent. If something is easier to get, then less other crime is committed to get it (how many times have you heard of a coke-head stealing for his next score because it was $300 an ounce?) Also, the people that are addicted will find ways to get their drugs whether it's legal or not. And if it is legal, it only hurts them, and less then it would if it was illegal. Also. Marijuana is insignificantly different from cigarettes in terms of carcinogens or other second hand dangers (in fact, depending on how it is grown, it can be less so.) For excellent examples of how making select things legal can improve social harmony, just take a quick look at Amsterdam or Boulder.

But a side not to doctor Yueh: I have seen, personally, many, many violent acts committed over weed. It is not physically addictive, no, but it is one of the most powerfully psychologically addictive substances in existence, along with opiates like heroin or crystal methamphetamine, though those do also come with powerful physical addictions.


Really? The only violent acts I've even heard of being committed over it were mostly because it was illegal and what comes with being a dealer of illegal substances. And the psychological addiction that comes with weed, I smoke everyday, is no worse than just being like, "Damn, could use a bowl of some kind bud right now. *smokes shitty resin*" I often feel this way and I do smoke a lot, but whenever I'm dry I never feel like I NEED it, I just feel like I gotta wait, maybe take a T-break. smile

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:57 pm


I often enjoy pot smokers more than any other drug users, which definitely includes cig smokers and drinkers. The only thing I'd really have to be concerned about is eatinig my goodies, or playing veeoh games for elongated periods. Otherwise it's pretty much good times inundates with cherishable laughter.

That aside I too have witnessed violent acts regarding weed. Though it's usually the money aspects that most drug deals entail. This is not fault of marijuana, just of avarice. I concur drug using is a victimless crime. It's unfortunate there's abusers, but this is more for physically addictive drugs, although there definitely are mentally addicted burnouts. The only time there is another victim is when someone is drugged either inadvertently or with full intent, like a dusted blunt.

Oh and HouseMDfan, I just grabbed your booty. ^-^
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:53 am


I agree with some of the things said above. I would never touch the stuff either...But making it legal may bring in some more money into the economy. It's illegal now and people are still getting it anyway, so the rules don't really matter much, when it comes to things like this anyway. Which raises crime rates in some areas...
But I do not agree with the use of it....seeing as how I have been raised as a Christian.


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Talkor

PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:35 pm


HouseMDFan25
I agree with some of the things said above. I would never touch the stuff either...But making it legal may bring in some more money into the economy. It's illegal now and people are still getting it anyway, so the rules don't really matter much, when it comes to things like this anyway. Which raises crime rates in some areas...
But I do not agree with the use of it....seeing as how I have been raised as a Christian.

Did you know that baptism are supposed to be performed using hemp oil? Or, fun fact, that the pope declared the smoking of marijuana sacrilege a few hundred years ago? I know that doesn't help my argument but I always found it funny.

As a christian it actually isn't against your religion, not trying to tell you about your religion as I'm very sure that you know more about your own faith, but to my knowledge there is nothing in the bible or other judeo-christian texts that are against the use of substances like cannabis, especially considering that they support the drinking of alcohol and seem to have no say on smoking cigarettes, which if "drugs" are the devil then they would have to be lumped in there too, but they aren't mostly because they didn't have heroin or cigarettes or coffee or zoloft or most other mind-altering substances like we do today, but they sure as hell had booze and bud and they weren't against either, probably because contrary to popular belief bud brings you closer to god.

That's a pointless block of text. =D
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:59 pm


Depends on what section of christianity that you are talking about. Mine says that you're supposed to be baptised in a river.

No it does not say "do not use drugs" in the Bible, as there probably was none back then. But we (our section of Christians) see drug usage and getting drunk, not very Christian like, because it is not setting a good example for others, for one, and it's not moral to us. So it's more of a moral/setting good example's to others, and children type of deal.

We're supposed to follow in Jesus's foot-prints, basically, and I for one don't see him doing drugs and "doing worldly things" as my preacher would say or "the things of this world".
Yes, Jesus drunk wine, but that doesn't mean that he was an alcholic/ a drunk.

Now I am not saying all christian's think this way, I am an old fashion type of christian, and I like it and this is the way we see things. Alot of other Christians probably feel the same way.

Edit: What you said about the pope, he is the pope, not God, people see things differently, I am not catholic, I don't want to be. I like the religion that I am in, and I am not against catholics, I have a best friend that is catholic. We have some different view points on things. But that's okay.


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Talkor

PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:14 pm


HouseMDFan25
Depends on what section of christianity that you are talking about. Mine says that you're supposed to be baptised in a river.

No it does not say "do not use drugs" in the Bible, as there probably was none back then. But we (our section of Christians) see drug usage and getting drunk, not very Christian like, because it is not setting a good example for others, for one, and it's not moral to us. So it's more of a moral/setting good example's to others, and children type of deal.

We're supposed to follow in Jesus's foot-prints, basically, and I for one don't see him doing drugs and "doing worldly things" as my preacher would say or "the things of this world".
Yes, Jesus drunk wine, but that doesn't mean that he was an alcholic/ a drunk.

Now I am not saying all christian's think this way, I am an old fashion type of christian, and I like it and this is the way we see things. Alot of other Christians probably feel the same way.

Edit: What you said about the pope, he is the pope, not God, people see things differently, I am not catholic, I don't want to be. I like the religion that I am in, and I am not against catholics, I have a best friend that is catholic. We have some different view points on things. But that's okay.

I can't read that without feeling like I was being spoken down to. I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but y'know, kind of felt like I was a child there.

I have more stuff to say, but I feel that it doesn't have anything to do with anything and you would just find it offensive because frankly it's meant to be due to the way you just kinda talked down to me like pretty much any religious person speaking to someone that they feel for some reason knows NOTHING about THEIR precious Jesus. Wow. That was rude, but I'm keeping it there, sorry.

I would discuss the topic of religion and cannabis further, but I feel i don't have proper sources and you would probably just discount everything by telling me I'm wrong and you're right.

I am not liking how I'm typing this up, I'm just being an a** now, I'm sorry.

On the topic of marijuana though, am I the only one that smokes it here? Cause I feel like any other stoner that would have joined this guild would have left by now, just due to the vibe of these threads.
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