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 Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:58 pm
That feeling is one of the worst. No one wants to feel powerless whether in the face of great power like that or not. The problem was that he was introduced to magic too late. Maybe if a magical family had taken him in then the whole thing could have been avoided. Personally I think that's what should happen from now on, magical children should be put with magical familes or in magical orphanages.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:46 pm
And power-hungry Slytherin loved those of great ambition...|> ---|I think that if he'd grown up in a situation where magic was completely ordinary, he would have turned out differently - maybe. Some of the things he said when he first met Dumbledore point to a very twisted personality, and I don't think that would have changed too much regardless of his upbringing.|--- <|Slytherin Pride!
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:30 am
There's a difference between twisted and psycotic.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:26 am
Was Tom Riddle psychotic? If he wasn't, than upbringing would've played a large part in the way he turned out in life. Grown up in an orphanage where everyone thought he was a freak for all the strange things he could do, hating his life and everything entailed and then when Dumble comes, he finds out that he's a wizard? That he could've lived a different life had it not been for his idiotic, muggle father? If Tom was born and grew up in an environment like the Weasley's Burrow, I highly doubt he'd turn out the same way.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:54 pm
Of course not but it was not all the fathers fault. He had been tricked into being with a woman he didn't love and fathering a child he had no connection to. Years of his life were stolen by this woman. If I were him I don't think I'd want any reminders of her either. I think it was the ministries fault for putting a wizarding child in a muggle orphanage with no check-ups.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:24 pm
And power-hungry Slytherin loved those of great ambition...|> ---|Years of his life? More like a year of his life. But to return to the actual point:
Yes, Tom would have turned out differently had he grown up in a place like The Burrow, but there are some things that environment can't change. I don't think Tom was bothered by the fact that everyone at the orphanage thought he was odd, I think he loved it. Think about it - he can do things that nobody else can and he can use that to scare people, to make them fear him, make them in awe of what he can do. It adds to his mystique, too, which Dumbledore said was important to Tom. That sort of behaviour points to a person who likes power and the feeling of being feared. And a Weasley upbringing can't erase every fault - look at Percy, for example, who let ambition override any care he had for his family for almost three years.|--- <|Slytherin Pride!
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:02 pm
Yes, but Percy wasn't evil. He didn't want to take over the world and kill all the mudbloods and half-bloods. With a mother like Molly, any child under that roof would have a good sense of morals. As for the orphanage, if you're right and Tom loved the fear he put in the other children, if he had grew up at the Burrow and hadn't been introduced to that feeling of power than he wouldn't have grown up to be as mystique as Dumbledore so claims. Growing up in a wizarding family like the Weasley's would change a lot about Tom, had he been born a Weasley.
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:59 pm
Finora: How do you know he wouldn't have used that same power of the fellow Weasley siblings? I've known some seriously demented children who grew up in fine homes.
Also, a tiny fact relateing the the original topic: Did you know that Morsmordre, the charm used to create the dark mark, comes from the French for 'take a bite out of death'?
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:29 am
I believe in the philospher's theory that every child is born neither good nor evil, but a blank tablet and as they continue to experience life, what they believe in and how they are defines who they are as a person. So, following said theory, if Tom had been born to Molly and Arthur Weasley, I just can't believe that he'd grow up to be just as evil and just as twisted as he was before. Plus, Tom isn't just evil for the sake of being evil. He grew up hating, and without that hate, where does his twisted attributes origin?
And Kat, that's is very interesting. It makes sense. But still... how does one take a bite out of death? o__.
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:55 pm
And power-hungry Slytherin loved those of great ambition...|> ---|Finora: But personality isn't all a result of environment; genetics has something to do with it too. Tom might have grown up a nicer boy had he been a Weasley, but then again, he might not. As Kat pointed out, I've seen some messed up kids who grew up in damned good families and vice versa.
Kat: Interesting! I'm not surprised, though - JK does that sort of thing a lot.|--- <|Slytherin Pride!
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:16 pm
I know kids like that too but there is usually an underlying reason for that. I also believe that enviornment played a big part in Tom's upbringing. Even if he loved being thought as weird it can still seriously damage a child's psyche.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:47 pm
And power-hungry Slytherin loved those of great ambition...|> ---|But why didn't the other orphanage kids turn out like Tom, then? If it had to do with him being brought up there, why wasn't that place filled with psychopaths and power-crazed egomaniacs? Because environment isn't everything.|--- <|Slytherin Pride!
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:20 am
Well, I doubt the other kids grew up to be wizards and had the kind of power that Tom had. I'm sure none of the other orphans had gone through the exact same experience, as well. Tom is a special case because of his history.
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:26 pm
we don't even know what happened to the other orphans! For all we know they did but the farthest they got to real power was robbing a gas station! Tom was special because he had the means, motive and the power to take over.
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:09 pm
And power-hungry Slytherin loved those of great ambition...|> ---|Harry's impression of the orphanage was that the kids all looked well cared-for, if a little shabby. I doubt these are the types of kids who ended up robbing gas stations - I think they'd more likely have fairly average educations and end up with fairly average jobs.
So why wasn't Tom the same way? He had the same upbringing, if a different background. Losing both parents didn't make him any different from the other kids; they were all orphans, after all. It was Tom's inherent personality that made him what he was far more than his upbringing.|--- <|Slytherin Pride!
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