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| Yes I'am. Die Feddies Die!!! |
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 Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:13 am
*no comment about Seed*
i agree that Zeon was great as a whole, but with incredibly corrupt leaders. and perhaps those counted among its ranks were a little too blind as followers. keep in mind that the Zeon colonies technically were independant before the OYW, and afterwards, they lost a lot of freedoms. the whole Zabi cause was utterly corrupt. i hate the Zabis. i have no doubt Zeon was assasinated through their doings. they are basically responsable for the OYW, and for a loss of Zeon independance, and the great anti-spacenoid resentment later on
but then, without the Zabis, or a family like them, there would be no Zakus, and no MS, and no TV show
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i personally love the /actual/ Zeon cause, that is, those beliefs of Zeon Zum Deikun, but all the later Zeon war propoganda was pretty much crap, and had nothing to do with his origional ideals.
but that brings me to a question. i know the basic tennets of controlism (of Zeon Zum Deikun), but is there more to it than just the earth/colony relationship? thanks.
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:54 am
Abyss yeah thats ture but if you think about it gundam seed is a mix between Gundam and gundam wing so many things in gundam are just mixing great idea into better ideas Uh....Wing? Nospai: I do agree with Zeon Daikun's original idealogy too. On the side note, Amuro did mentioned in Char's Counterattack, intellectuals often get impatient to get their ideals in practice, so they resort to drastic measures. And we do see that when the Zabis took control.
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:26 pm
Char350 Abyss yeah thats ture but if you think about it gundam seed is a mix between Gundam and gundam wing so many things in gundam are just mixing great idea into better ideas Uh....Wing? Nospai: I do agree with Zeon Daikun's original idealogy too. On the side note, Amuro did mentioned in Char's Counterattack, intellectuals often get impatient to get their ideals in practice, so they resort to drastic measures. And we do see that when the Zabis took control. ok here is the story ok there is a war between the coloney and earth. But they have 5 gundams like in gundam wing there were five gundams then several small points like a masked captain.
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:52 pm
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:00 pm
file not found =S
and Char, that may be true, but it depends on their goals. the Zabi family's goal was power, so they took drastic measures to accomplish that. that wasn't the goal of /every/ member of the family (Garma, Dozle), but as a unit, that was their purpose.
Zeon apparently never needed to take, or felt he needed to take, such measures (for instance, when the Zabi family had thousands slaughtered for not secumbing to Zeon, an action Zeon strongly hated and that tension probably lead to his death)
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:13 pm
Abyss ok here is the story ok there is a war between the coloney and earth. But they have 5 gundams like in gundam wing there were five gundams then several small points like a masked captain. Such a comparison is too vague and pointless.
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 2:14 am
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:09 pm
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:38 pm
no need ot thank me i just like seeing that GM blow up over and over like every other member of Zeon.
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:15 am
heheh... thanks all the same!
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:47 pm
Y'know... There's a rom where you can get graphics to do that. SD G-Generation Advance ... could make your own. Like a Zaku slapping a GM repeatedly with a Heat Hawk.
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:45 pm
Zeon expansionism was completely baseless and unjust. Having the bitchin'est MS doesn't justify what was in the end a dynastic land grab. In the end, this is what inspired the reactionary atmosphere of Zeta, allowing oppurtunistic autocrats and businessmen to use unspeakable violence for personal gain - tactics resembling the Zabis'.
Gundam has always been about personal ambition mutilating an otherwise just cause by employing violence to further it. Even the Titans were inspired by a genuine need to repress subversives, as demonstrated by the Londo Bell having a nearly identical mandate.
The Rebublic had every right to a military, and to secure reasonable tactical footing, but the war was not one of liberation - of themselves or of any sympathetic population.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:29 pm
merkava pharisee Zeon expansionism was completely baseless and unjust. Having the bitchin'est MS doesn't justify what was in the end a dynastic land grab. In the end, this is what inspired the reactionary atmosphere of Zeta, allowing oppurtunistic autocrats and businessmen to use unspeakable violence for personal gain - tactics resembling the Zabis'. Gundam has always been about personal ambition mutilating an otherwise just cause by employing violence to further it. Even the Titans were inspired by a genuine need to repress subversives, as demonstrated by the Londo Bell having a nearly identical mandate. The Rebublic had every right to a military, and to secure reasonable tactical footing, but the war was not one of liberation - of themselves or of any sympathetic population. we're aware of that, and note how we all agree, but our support is with the man, Zeon Zum Daikun, rather than the hypocritical cause of the Zabis and ensuing dictators. we also oppose the flagrant corruption of the Fedd...er, Federation and want true Zeon independance from their eyes.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:08 pm
Nospai Deathous we're aware of that, and note how we all agree, but our support is with the man, Zeon Zum Daikun, rather than the hypocritical cause of the Zabis and ensuing dictators. we also oppose the flagrant corruption of the Fedd...er, Federation and want true Zeon independance from their eyes. SIEG HAMAN-SAMA domokun
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:06 pm
ChibiDuo Nospai Deathous we're aware of that, and note how we all agree, but our support is with the man, Zeon Zum Daikun, rather than the hypocritical cause of the Zabis and ensuing dictators. we also oppose the flagrant corruption of the Fedd...er, Federation and want true Zeon independance from their eyes. SIEG HAMAN-SAMA domokun No no no duo its nto Seig Haman-Sama its SEIG ZEON!!! and you need to put more feeling into it like this SEIG ZEON scream
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