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 Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 3:02 pm
there are a lot of differences in sound... and a lot of similarities....... i mean... wans't japanese rock influenced by american rock? i do like j-rock better because of the bass... i love listening to the bass and it is much easier to pick out in a lot of j-rock that i've heard.
japanese rack and pop still resemble american rock and pop...... with some stuff, i just get the 'meh.. pop is pop' kind of vibe....... no more opinion from me cause i don't know the lyrical differences........
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:41 pm
There is a difference but is it greatly better in any way not really. All I can tell you is it is difference in a good way for me then there is some of it I don't really like. It is just like America Rock, it is just a matter of taste.
What I like the most is the was JRockers dress. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:59 pm
Xenana There is a difference but is it greatly better in any way not really. All I can tell you is it is difference in a good way for me then there is some of it I don't really like. It is just like America Rock, it is just a matter of taste. What I like the most is the was JRockers dress. 3nodding Yeah, but I don't care how the Jrockers dress, you should care about the music. If they all dressed in a barrel and put a paper bag over their heads I would still love 'em...Actually, that would be pretty cool eek
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:56 pm
American ROck has gone down in Quality. Pretty Much the only American Band I listen to is TOOL. Now, NOT ALL japanese rock is good. That goes for every artist as well, not all their songs are good. Let's take Dir en grey, Gackt, L~arc~en~Ciel, and many more. Most of Gackt's songs aren't that good, Dir en Grey has a lot of good songs but they do have crappy ones, en ciel is the same. IT's hard to be consistent of course, but it's seems TOOL is pretty consistent comnpared to JRock bands. But Like I said the only American band I care for and listen to is TOOL. I can't talk much for the rest and also I don't listen to every JRock band ever. but that's just what I think. OH also, when JRock bands make those good songs they tend to be super good. Jrock is bipolar, its either The best song ever or sucks crap.
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:05 pm
i know nothing. Unless you are bilingual, you can't make any judgements on the depth of Japanese lyrics. I translate s**t for people online. I've worked with graduate students with lyric translations, and let me tell you: the final product has just as much of the voice of the translator as it does the original author. Ever read different translations of literature? Those variations exist because of the translator's perceptions of the author's intent. You will find countless variety in the manner a single song is translated online. If the translator feels more poetic, you'll see the result in the translation. If they're being direct and matter of fact, you'll see that. Then you have the individuals who translate songs to keep time with the beat, making them sing-a-long translations. Each manner those songs are translated in ultimately affects the image/intent that the author had in the original.... so are you saying that in fact jrock lyrics are not as deep and cryptic as american fans think, and thus more comparable to american rock? if so, that's actually really interesting. that would explain why i tend to listen to a lot more foreign music than english-singing bands, because the lyrics then are so much more open to intepretation when they get to a form i can understand. many translations to read, many paths to go. of course things get lost in translation, but still... it leaves a lot on. or are you saying that anyone who doesn't natively speak japanese can't judge jrock lyrics at all, because translations are too unreliable? surprised
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:31 pm
[Vi]x2 Section i know nothing. Unless you are bilingual, you can't make any judgements on the depth of Japanese lyrics. I translate s**t for people online. I've worked with graduate students with lyric translations, and let me tell you: the final product has just as much of the voice of the translator as it does the original author. Ever read different translations of literature? Those variations exist because of the translator's perceptions of the author's intent. You will find countless variety in the manner a single song is translated online. If the translator feels more poetic, you'll see the result in the translation. If they're being direct and matter of fact, you'll see that. Then you have the individuals who translate songs to keep time with the beat, making them sing-a-long translations. Each manner those songs are translated in ultimately affects the image/intent that the author had in the original.... so are you saying that in fact jrock lyrics are not as deep and cryptic as american fans think, and thus more comparable to american rock? if so, that's actually really interesting. that would explain why i tend to listen to a lot more foreign music than english-singing bands, because the lyrics then are so much more open to intepretation when they get to a form i can understand. many translations to read, many paths to go. of course things get lost in translation, but still... it leaves a lot on. or are you saying that anyone who doesn't natively speak japanese can't judge jrock lyrics at all, because translations are too unreliable? surprised Both, actually. There are a lot of very BAD translations of songs easily acessible on the internet, in the same way that good ones are. You have to read all of them to get the GENERAL idea of what the author is getting at. Honestly, a lot of the songs I've dealt with are just as shallow as their American counterparts. The reason why so many people think they have great depth and meaning is because of the voices of the different translators seeping through. Look at The Back Horn's Dinner and tell me that's not just a song designed to shock and disgust? Take a good look at 99% of Visual Kei lyrics: they're macabre love songs hitting so many of the same tired themes....
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:08 am
Kopy Kat Ah...so true...like...people in this guild think they've met fangirls...they have NO idea..."Meh! Joel and Benji from Good Charlotte are SO HOT!!!!" like a million times worse than J-Rock fangirls... I've met a few at my highschool. >< They make me wanna rip out my hair. D-port japanese rack and pop still resemble american rock and pop. Bands like Morning Musume, and other bands from the Hello Project are nothing like American Pop. If they showed their videos on MTV or something, everyone would die from the extreme cuteness.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:52 am
i know nothing. [Vi]x2 Section i know nothing. Unless you are bilingual, you can't make any judgements on the depth of Japanese lyrics. I translate s**t for people online. I've worked with graduate students with lyric translations, and let me tell you: the final product has just as much of the voice of the translator as it does the original author. Ever read different translations of literature? Those variations exist because of the translator's perceptions of the author's intent. You will find countless variety in the manner a single song is translated online. If the translator feels more poetic, you'll see the result in the translation. If they're being direct and matter of fact, you'll see that. Then you have the individuals who translate songs to keep time with the beat, making them sing-a-long translations. Each manner those songs are translated in ultimately affects the image/intent that the author had in the original.... so are you saying that in fact jrock lyrics are not as deep and cryptic as american fans think, and thus more comparable to american rock? if so, that's actually really interesting. that would explain why i tend to listen to a lot more foreign music than english-singing bands, because the lyrics then are so much more open to intepretation when they get to a form i can understand. many translations to read, many paths to go. of course things get lost in translation, but still... it leaves a lot on. or are you saying that anyone who doesn't natively speak japanese can't judge jrock lyrics at all, because translations are too unreliable? surprised Both, actually. There are a lot of very BAD translations of songs easily acessible on the internet, in the same way that good ones are. You have to read all of them to get the GENERAL idea of what the author is getting at. Honestly, a lot of the songs I've dealt with are just as shallow as their American counterparts. The reason why so many people think they have great depth and meaning is because of the voices of the different translators seeping through. Look at The Back Horn's Dinner and tell me that's not just a song designed to shock and disgust? Take a good look at 99% of Visual Kei lyrics: they're macabre love songs hitting so many of the same tired themes.... thankyou for clarifying. :3 I'm gunna have to go on a translation reading spree now. :O very interesting. xd I'm actually pretty glad, most of the time, that they sing in japanese, because I think my mom would destroy my CDs and the like if she understood what they were saying. eek in fact, in the case of jrock I have to say [with only a touch of shame] that it is the only genre for which I don't really pay any attention to the lyrics, most of the time, and haven't even tried to look up many songs. I don't look for a song I can connect with in Jrock. I just look for something that sounds nice. xd it might as well be scat singing, to me.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:10 pm
[Vi]x2 Section in fact, in the case of jrock I have to say [with only a touch of shame] that it is the only genre for which I don't really pay any attention to the lyrics, most of the time, and haven't even tried to look up many songs. I don't look for a song I can connect with in Jrock. I just look for something that sounds nice. xd it might as well be scat singing, to me. I'm like that too. 3nodding I don't really judge American vs. Japanese all that often, but it's not due to some 'apples/oranges thing'. I listen to all kinds of music in lots of different languages, and I'm pretty that 90% of the time, it's the same old crap, only with a language barrier. A lot of people I've met use the argument that Jrock more 'expiremental'/wacky/out there/whatever than American. But they also probably listen to really main-stream radio stations, and obviously all the music on them is going to be for mass consumption. There's plenty of really neat American artists...you just have to look for them a little harder.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:42 pm
i think this is the best way to put it...
American rock musicians dont care about their music and image as much as the Japanese bands do. by image i do not mean their reputation, how people see them. by image i mean how they look.
go to any given american rock concert (omitting Marilyn Manson and KISS) and the band has on like, jeans and tshirts. go to any given vkei concert, and you have the most elaborate costumes and makeup, stuff that matches the music perfectly. and its also stuff that matches their personality, like a way to recognize them, (sort of like Slash's top hat).
also the way that the jrock and vkei artists sing is different. some of them scream, yes, but the scream is (this is weird, i know) melodic in a strange messed up way. american rock screams are for the h3ll of it. the jrock screams are part of the music.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:52 pm
Zahari [Vi]x2 Section in fact, in the case of jrock I have to say [with only a touch of shame] that it is the only genre for which I don't really pay any attention to the lyrics, most of the time, and haven't even tried to look up many songs. I don't look for a song I can connect with in Jrock. I just look for something that sounds nice. xd it might as well be scat singing, to me. I'm like that too. 3nodding I don't really judge American vs. Japanese all that often, but it's not due to some 'apples/oranges thing'. I listen to all kinds of music in lots of different languages, and I'm pretty that 90% of the time, it's the same old crap, only with a language barrier. A lot of people I've met use the argument that Jrock more 'expiremental'/wacky/out there/whatever than American. But they also probably listen to really main-stream radio stations, and obviously all the music on them is going to be for mass consumption. There's plenty of really neat American artists...you just have to look for them a little harder. Yeah, I feel a bit odd singling out Jrock music like that. It's really not so different from listening to German rock or Finnish rock or Spanish or French or whatever. They have some differences aside from language, [Germans use more synth, for example.] but really not SO different..
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:04 am
I think there is a difference here sorta..lol well, with American music in general, they always try to rhyme, so sometimes the lyrics might not even make sense, or whatnot. With Japanese, they can get more in-depth with their lyrics. You know what I mean?? lol The music will sound great in America, but the lyrics might be kinda weird...hehe SO I would prefer Japanese music over American (in which I have given up on..lol I also really don't like rap, but I'm a fan of the band ORANGE RANGE who seem to have a sort of rap-like feel to their music) just because I think it sounds better and the I love lyrics lol smile
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:47 pm
Geonitacka American ROck has gone down in Quality. Pretty Much the only American Band I listen to is TOOL. Ah...TOOL...one of the best bands in the world...they deserve to be more popular... 3nodding As opposed to just seeing a random person wearing a TOOL shirt once in a while... D-port Kopy Kat Ah...so true...like...people in this guild think they've met fangirls...they have NO idea..."Meh! Joel and Benji from Good Charlotte are SO HOT!!!!" like a million times worse than J-Rock fangirls... I've met a few at my highschool. >< They make me wanna rip out my hair. Oh, I know! It drives me insane!! I mean...seriously! The American-related fangirls are way worse than Japanese-related ones...*shudders* "Oh! Justin Timberlake is SU hot! I have a poster of him on my ceiling and I'm going to change my last name to Timberlake because he's the HAWTEST man alive!!!" Jeez...I start school in a couple of weeks...I'll have to hear that crap again...*goes to prepare for the hellish-ness that shall ensue*
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:58 pm
Well, that depends on what time period you're talking about. In terms of music, I think JRock is equivilent to classic rock. However, I find that JRock has better lyrics. Now, if you want to compare it to American rock now, there's not competition. JRock beats it by a mile.
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:07 am
Yes, there accually is a big diference, which is probably why most choose Jrock over American rock. American rock, well everything's kinda been done, there isn't much variation. It all sounds the same, their voices, the music there isn't anything really good, except for a few bands and the classics. Jrock, like Laruku, has more interesting music and it all sounds. I chose Laruku for an example cause I know they have some weird a** music sometimes, but I love em anyways... xd
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