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O Blue Sky Complex

PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:09 pm


Okay, this is an opinion thread *grins and sweatdrops* Do you guys find any fundemental differences between American rock and Japanese rock other than language? And one more thing; PLEASE don't be afraid to speak your mind here, please post your opinions and have a good discussion ^^;
PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:29 pm


Japanese lyrics are far more in-depth than American music lyrics (at least the J-rock I listen to). Japanese music also has more of an experimental edge...it's not just a bunch of guitars wailing. However, there are some J-rock bands that I do think aren't much different from American ones...like a lot of Dir en grey and whatnot nowadays.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:31 pm


of course there's a huge difference.

there are unchangeable differences even in the voices. Japanese men have lower voices than caucasians, with a different.. quality. I'm not an expert on music, so it's hard for me to put it in words. But it's DEFINATELY there.

And just the way the music is written and played. One recognizes sounds from the guitars that americans don't use much [see deadman or baroque, for example] and other sampled sounds that one doesn't hear in american music, and the base is used more.. [i think so.]
like i said, it's hard for me to put my finger on it. but i could tell without even hearing lyrics if it was a jrock song or an american song, i think. 3nodding

[although the majority of the second paragraph refers more to image-kei type rock, which is usually glossier and gothier than non-image-kei, like The Pillows. 3nodding ]
PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:00 pm


wakusei
Japanese lyrics are far more in-depth than American music lyrics (at least the J-rock I listen to). Japanese music also has more of an experimental edge...it's not just a bunch of guitars wailing. However, there are some J-rock bands that I do think aren't much different from American ones...like a lot of Dir en grey and whatnot nowadays.


I agree with that whole-heartedly, especially the part about lyrics. Just one of the many examples is Dir en Grey's lyrics, Pura's, and Inugami Circus-dan. I feel that Inugami (Again, ONE of the maaaaany examples) sings about alot of things that most rock artists (maybe excluding Marylin manson and what not) might not be too comfortable singing about *shrug*

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:07 pm


[Vi]x2 Section
of course there's a huge difference.

there are unchangeable differences even in the voices. Japanese men have lower voices than caucasians, with a different.. quality. I'm not an expert on music, so it's hard for me to put it in words. But it's DEFINATELY there.

And just the way the music is written and played. One recognizes sounds from the guitars that americans don't use much [see deadman or baroque, for example] and other sampled sounds that one doesn't hear in american music, and the base is used more.. [i think so.]
like i said, it's hard for me to put my finger on it. but i could tell without even hearing lyrics if it was a jrock song or an american song, i think. 3nodding

[although the majority of the second paragraph refers more to image-kei type rock, which is usually glossier and gothier than non-image-kei, like The Pillows. 3nodding ]


3nodding couldnt of explained it better.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:50 am


Usually, american rockers talk about devorce, breaking up, sex, drugs, breaking things, rebellion, regret, ex cetera. And its a one time thing and it never really feels that way again. Japanese rockers might talk about the same things, but they cover so much more. (Which I believe is why they would rarely be played on the radio, since the FCC controls everything and no redneck wants to hear Dir en Grey or Kagrra. stare )The good bands have a quality in their music like they've done it, over and over and over again;But around the 50th time, it still pains them.

So there you have it, a paragraph of mindless dribble from a windbag. sweatdrop


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Kagayuzen

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 9:07 pm


Well, Nihongo Rock talks about almost anything and everything. Plus some made-up-words-on-the-spot inserted (i.e. Scalpatron, Mazohyst).

What I really think is that American Rock isn't into their lyrics as are the Jrockers are. Plus there are some stuff in American Rock that are attacked by the censors and therefore don't make it into the song.(another reason why Jrock is my music of choice)

Plus some of the issues that American Rock talks about is kinda over-played. How many times have I heard "break-up, I hate you, stay away from me" in those songs (aside from some of AFI's songs)?? Sheesh.

Okay I don't know what I was talking about so I'll just stop with the mindless prattle.

~Kazuhide Aeiji
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 9:13 pm


Kagayuzen
Well, Nihongo Rock talks about almost anything and everything. Plus some made-up-words-on-the-spot inserted (i.e. Scalpatron, Mazohyst).
Misspellings =/= made up.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 10:22 pm


Japanese music not censored? lololol j00 hear the beeped out stuff in dir en grey... den they'res games dey play to get stuff past 'em. dey censor differnt things den wed expect.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:32 pm


Oh yeah, and about the 'huge difference'....I didn't hear much of a difference between Pierrot's song 'Paranoia' and Powerman 5000's 'When World's Collide' other than Pierrot's actually had the more boring chorus of the two. BIG difference there. rolleyes

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Mujitsu

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:39 am


well no matter where you go the rock music is gonna be different,personally what drew me to jrock is that it was different americanized rock is going down hill with the pop punk sh!t(i hate blink 128 59387 and good charolet, and all that sh!t), but the thing with jrock is it has depth to it too, because of the kei, i mean they equalize them selves to the level of thier music and it's so much more creative, and most people don't understand creativity, and i enjoy things that are original.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:19 am


Should I post??? I think I should....

Ok, I totally don't see the deeper lyrics thing. Have you read the translations for hide's songs? I mean, he's supposed to be one of the greatest rockers of all time, and what did he sing about? Cutting the rotten meat off of bones? Eating chihuahuas?? Sweet broken hearted machines??? That's not deeper lyrics! That's just stuff! It makes no more sense than a Smashing Pumpkins or Bush song.

As for the deeper voices and the more cutting edge sounds and all that? You need to expand your musical horizon. Don't just listen to the pop crap they play on the radio, that's not what's really out there. The lead singer for Puddle of Mudd has a rather deep voice. It's not as melodic as say... Kamijo's, but it's deep. There are others too. Metallica has a very deep sound, and he can be more melodic than Puddle of Mudd. And those are popular bands too. (Kind of).

That being said, I prefer to listen to Japanese music 9 times out of 10. Why? Because it eliminates one of my criteria for good music. I like it better when I can't understand what they're saying, and know it's because they're singing in a different language.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:22 pm


Mujitsu
americanized rock is going down hill with the pop punk sh!t(i hate blink 128 59387 and good charolet, and all that sh!t)


Ah...so true...like...people in this guild think they've met fangirls...they have NO idea..."Meh! Joel and Benji from Good Charlotte are SO HOT!!!!" like a million times worse than J-Rock fangirls...

As for the difference between American and Japanese rock...I've been doing music-related stuff for...10+ years. Singing, drums, and various other percussion for 10+ years, Alto sax for 7, guitar and bass for 3. So I've seen the differences.

Yes, the lyrics are different. While some are not necessarily better, they are different.

I've noticed the way that many Japanese play guitar is different. Usually it's more accented, and they play different sets of chords and arpeggios. The drums have a different rythm, and they use different parts of their drum set together than American drummers do.

The bass is more prominant, and uses a lot of arpeggios compared to American bass. When I first started listening to J-Rock I was blown away at how easily you could pick out the bass.

And of course, what [Vi] said about the vocals too...I listen to a lot of American metal bands and such, and I can tell the way they scream is different. Like when Kyo screams, I think he puts more effort into it, instead of it just being a scream, he actually considers it an important part of the song.

But this is just how I see it anyway...
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:44 pm


Unless you are bilingual, you can't make any judgements on the depth of Japanese lyrics. I translate s**t for people online. I've worked with graduate students with lyric translations, and let me tell you: the final product has just as much of the voice of the translator as it does the original author. Ever read different translations of literature? Those variations exist because of the translator's perceptions of the author's intent.

You will find countless variety in the manner a single song is translated online. If the translator feels more poetic, you'll see the result in the translation. If they're being direct and matter of fact, you'll see that. Then you have the individuals who translate songs to keep time with the beat, making them sing-a-long translations. Each manner those songs are translated in ultimately affects the image/intent that the author had in the original....


i know nothing.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:45 pm


Mujitsu
what drew me to jrock is that it was different americanized rock is going down hill with the pop punk sh!t(i hate blink 128 59387 and good charolet, and all that sh!t)
You mean Japan doesn't do the pop punk s**t, too? FAIL. You do realize you HAVEN'T heard ever Japanese band in existance just because you've heard a lot of VK. Work with things you KNOW, people.
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