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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:11 pm


the Avalanches
shadowick
I would love to learn many of the different myths but of my religion we have many myths as well they are all pretty neat tho the different myths I mean so yeah. That’s my input on this subject lol. Sad I know.
dude. what's your religion?
My religion is mysticism and its fascinating lol.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:31 am


Valgo
the Avalanches
I see a connection between Mazikeen and the tzaddikim; Adam.

Rabbi Zwerin mentions Adam is shown a bright light by God. Before Adam had Eve for a wife, he had Lilith. Lilith is considered somewhat evil, because she refused to lay underneath Adam during certain activities. When they were seperated Lilith had some babies with Satan I think. Adam had a lot of babies too. Can't remember who with. But the Mazikeen were his children. I'll look this up, because I notice I seem to twist the 'facts' here a little. But it's all very very interesting.


As for the numerical connection, hun.... The jews have always looked for connections between numbers and God, since before they were jews. That's why they are stereotyped as good mathmeticians. Unfortately, if you look at any set of numbers long enough, you'll think that a pattern is hidden. 36 divided by 3 is 12 = the number of apostles. 12 has long been held as a set number because there are 12 hours in a day, 12 months in a year.. divided 12 by two and you get 6, which multiplied types 10 is 60, which was the old Hebrew number of weeks in the year, according to the flood-stages of the rivers in the Fertile Cresent.

Patterns exist where you think they belong.
well, sugar. I think you're right about the last comment. don't even get a jew started on kaballah.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:34 am


Oh this is all so fun!
It's hard to do this though, I can't seem to get my facts straight.
But very fun!
PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:36 am


shadowick
the Avalanches
shadowick
I would love to learn many of the different myths but of my religion we have many myths as well they are all pretty neat tho the different myths I mean so yeah. That’s my input on this subject lol. Sad I know.
dude. what's your religion?
My religion is mysticism and its fascinating lol.
Is mysticism a religion, or your belief? (do you see the distinction?)

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Valgo
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:25 pm


the Avalanches
Oh this is all so fun!
It's hard to do this though, I can't seem to get my facts straight.
But very fun!

*pets softly* It's always fun to have me around, no?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:30 pm


^_____~

indeed.

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the-fiftieth-daughter

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:40 pm


I think the Mazikeen sounds very cool.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:51 pm


Hi kids! Today we'll be studying the golem! The movies 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen' (or the lesser 'van Helsing') feature brilliant golems: mr Hyde and Frankenstein! Well anyway, here's what good old Pantheon.org has to say on the topic:

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In Jewish legend, a golem is an image or form that is given life through a magical formula, such as the power of the letters of the divine name. The word is used to denote anything that is not yet fully developed. In the Middle Ages was believed that there were wise men who could instill life in effigies by the use of a magic spell. These golems then took the form of a robot, or automaton. They would carry out their master's command and could perform easy tasks, as well as protecting their creators. See also: Rabbi Loeb and the Golem of Prague.


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Rabbi Loeb and the Golem of Prague.

Of all the Golem legends, none is as famous as the story cycle of the Golem of Prague. There had been books, plays, and even films depicting it, and often they included the creator of the Golem of Prague, Rabbi Loeb.

Prague was home to many Jewish scholars and mystics; Rabbi Loeb was probably the most famous. He lived a long life, 1513-1609, and defended his people valiantly against their enemies. His followers loved him so much they called him "The Exalted One."

Even to a holy man, or a great mystic, creating life is forbidden. It can only be justified if many lives would be saved by doing so, and not always even then. But Rabbi Loeb was instructed to try the horrifying task. He created his Golem with divine help, using Kabbalistic formulas communicated to him in dreams. Acquiring this God-given knowledge was neither simple nor easy. The formulas were given, but deciphering them had to be done by the person himself. Worse, he had to use the Shem Hameforash -- the true name of God, which was known only to a few holy men in each generation, and was very dangerous to pronounce. The power it unleashed could turn against the man who uttered it.

This myth is unusual in that it is supposed to have happened in a specific year -- 1580. There was a new danger brewing in Prague; a notorious priest, Taddeush, planned to accuse the Jews of a new "ritual murder." Rabbi Loeb heard about it, and to avert the horrible danger, directed a dream question to heaven to help him save his people. He received his answer in an order that is alphabetical in Hebrew:

Ata Bra Golem Devuk Hakhomer VeTigzar Zedim Chevel Torfe Yisroel

The simple meaning was: Make a Golem of clay and you will destroy the entire Jew-baiting company. But this was only part of the message. The inner meaning had to be understood to be effective. Rabbi Loeb extracted the real message by using Zirufim, special Kabbalistic formulas. And when he was done, he knew he could accomplish the creation of a the Golem.

He called two people to assist him. His son-in-law, a Kohen (a Jew descended from the ancient order of priests) and his pupil, a Levite (a Jew descended from the servants of the Temple). He explained that they needed four elements -- fire, water, air and earth. The two assistants represented the fire and water, Rabbi Loeb, air, and the Golem, earth. He explained how they had to purify themselves, because unless they were completely ready, the Shem Hameforash would destroy them.

After a day of purification, they read various chapters from a particularly holy book, Sefer Yezira (The Book of Creation) and then went to the River Moldau. By torchlight, they sculpted a giant body out of river clay. The Golem lay before them, facing the heaven. They placed themselves at his feet, looking at the quiet face.

The Kohen walked seven times around the body, from right to left, reciting special Zirufim. The clay turned bright red, like fire. Then the Levite walked another seven times around the body, from left to right, reciting some more Zirufim. The fire-like redness disappeared, and water flowed through the body. He grew hair and nails. Then Rabbi Loeb walked once around the body, and placed a piece of parchment in his mouth, on which was written Shem Hameforash. He bowed to the East, West, South and North, and all three of them recited together: "And He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." The Golem opened his eyes and looked at his creator. They dressed him and took him to the synagogue, where he could get ready to start his mission.

Eventually, when the Golem was no longer necessary (and some claim he went mad and became a danger to everyone) Rabbi Loeb decided to return him to the void from which he came. He did that by recalling the Shem Hameforash, and with it the life principle, and thus restored the Golem into lifeless clay. The clay figure had to be hidden in the attic of the synagogue, and no one was permitted to enter it again until many years later. Some writers during the nineteenth century claimed that the outlines of a giant body could still be seen there.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:23 pm


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Golem
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
A golem (sometimes pronounced Goilem), in medieval folklore and from Jewish mythology is an animated being crafted from inanimate material. The name appears to derive from the word gelem, which means 'raw material'.

The earliest stories of golems date to early Judaism. They were a creation of those who were very holy and close to God. A very holy was one who strove to approach God, and in that pursuit would gain some of God's wisdom and power. One of these powers was the creation of life. No matter how holy a person got, however, the being they created would be but a shadow of one created by God. Early on the notion developed that the main disability of the golem was its inability to speak. Having a golem servant was seen as the ultimate symbol of wisdom and holiness, and there are many tales of golems connected to prominent rabbis throughout the Middle Ages.

Other attributes of the golem were gradually added over time. In many tales the Golem is inscribed with magic or religious words that keep it animated. Writing the name of God on its forehead, (or on a clay tablet under its tongue) or writing the word Emet ('truth' in the Hebrew language) on its forehead are examples of such words. By erasing the first letter in 'Emet' to form 'Met' ('death' in Hebrew) the golem can be destroyed.

Also today the existence of a golem is portrayed as a mixed blessing. Although not overly intelligent, a golem can be made to perform simple tasks over and over. The problem is one of control or getting it to stop. Golems are used today primarily in metaphor either as brainless lunks or as entities serving man under controlled conditions but enemies in others. Similarly, it is a Yiddish slang insult for someone who is clumsy or slow.

In the late nineteenth century the golem was adopted by mainstream European society. Most notably Gustav Meyrink's 1915 novel Der Golem based on the tales of the golem created by the 16th century rabbi Judah Low ben Bezalel of Prague. This book inspired a classic set of expressionistic silent movies, Paul Wegener's Golem series, of which especially Golem: How He Came Into the World (also released as The Golem, 1920, USA 1921) is famous.

These tales saw a dramatic change, and some would argue a Christianization, of the golem. Christianity, far more than Judaism, has long had a deep concern with humanity getting too close to God. The golem thus became a creation of overambitious and overreaching mystics, who would inevitably be punished for their blasphemy, very similar to Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. The Golem has also been considered by some to be an early android, further divorcing it from its roots.

The word golem is also used in the Bible (Psalms 139:16) and in Talmudic literature to refer to an embryonic or incomplete substance.


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A common mis-association
Gollum is additionally the name of a deformed, wretched creature in J.R.R. Tolkien's fictional Middle-earth; the name however is derived not from Golem, but rather from the throaty sound the character makes, beginning with a glottal stop (a throaty, almost swallowed "g").
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:03 pm


Ilil Arbel, Ph.D. @ pantheon.org
Afterlife

This article is based on a large number Talmudic legends, and on statements from the Zohar.

From its inception, Judaism did not dwell on the afterlife. The Jew followed the will of God for its own sake, not for reward in Heaven or for fear of punishment in Hell. It is inevitable, though, that a religion as old as Judaism would develop some thoughts regarding the afterlife, particularly since association with people of other religions exposed the Jews to many theories. However, the disinclination to stress the afterlife resulted in diverse opinions that were never combined into one dominant theory. Some of these thoughts even contradict one another, and they served as a base to fascinating myth and folklore.

The Structure of the Soul

A human being on earth unites two parts -- a body and a soul. Each part is extremely complex in structure and consists of multiple components. While the body's structure is reasonably well understood, the structure of the soul is a mystery many tried to analyze. One Talmudic opinion divides it into three major segments:

Nefesh: the lower, animal part, related to the instincts and to the reactions of the body.
Ruach: the spirit, or the middle soul, linked to the understanding of morality and the ability to differentiate between good and evil.
Neshama: the higher soul, linked to the intellect, and separating humanity from all other life forms. It allows the person to be aware of God, and to participate in the afterlife.

According to the Zohar, which leans toward a mystical view of the universe, two additional soul parts may be developed by very few, select individuals who have the capacity of sublime levels of intuitive cognition:

Chayyah -- the part of the soul that is aware of the divine life force.
Yehidah -- the highest part of the soul, capable of achieving full union with God.

When the body dies, the soul components come apart, and each segment follows a separate road. The lower parts must undergo purification; the higher parts aim to join with God. Nefesh remains with the body for about twelve months, guarding the grave and occasionally roaming the earth for the purpose of learning. Ruach goes to Gehinnom (Purgatory), to purge itself from the sins the person committed in life, and prepare for the future life of the soul. Neshama goes to the lower Gan Eden (Paradise), Chayyah and Yehida return to Upper Gan Eden.

The Stages of the Journey

In rabbinic teachings, Olam Haba took many shapes and forms. To some, it is simply our own fully physical world, made better after the coming of the Messiah. To others it means Paradise, a spiritual place. Often, a journey is described, where the soul will encounter certain stages:

Hibbut ha-kever (the suffering of the grave)

A Jew who truly believes in God has little fear of dying. He sees death as a simple transition from one life to another. God will be the same there as He is here, and that is all that matters because in either life the one goal is to serve Him. The separation of body and soul is as simple, according to Talmudic transition, as removing a hair out of a glass of milk.

To the less than perfectly pure, the separation can be more difficult. The soul of the worldly Jew strongly identifies with the body -- an erroneous but powerful notion that makes watching the body undergo decay and be eaten by worms extremely unpleasant. However, this mental agony serves a purpose; it awakens the soul from its wrong assumptions and allows the separation from the body to occur.

Dumah (the angel of silence)

If Hibbut ha-kever is still insufficient to separate body and soul, a great danger looms -- the decay and disintegration of the consciousness of the soul. At some point after death, the angels summon the Jews to the Heavenly Court by calling them by their Hebrew names. Many souls are so shocked by the death process, or are subject to the decay and disintegration of consciousness to such an extent, that they forget their names. If they don't follow the angels when they call them, the souls may wander off and spend aeons roaming the earth for no purpose at all. This is the time for intervention by the angel of silence, Dumah. He visits the graves regularly, and repeatedly asks the dead to tell him their Hebrew names, thus preventing forgetfulness. To help Dumah in his task, each Jew is taught a mnemonic device -- a Biblical sentence that begins with the first letter of the name and ends with the last letter of the name. This sentence is repeated after every prayer session. When Dumah asks for the name, even if the person forgot it, he or she cannot forget the Biblical verse because it is eternal and cannot decay, disintegrate, or disappear from consciousness.

Kaf ha-kelah (the catapult of the soul)

The sounds that the person heard during his or her stay on earth remain with the soul as inner vibrations that can destroy the capacity for the stillness needed to hear the voices of the angels. The myriad visions the soul saw on earth blur its ability to find its way on the journey. To help the soul get rid of all this auditory and visual pollution, two angels stand at each end of the world, place the soul in the catapult, and start hurling it back and forth to each other until they shake away the psychic debris. If this treatment does not succeed, the soul, even when anxious to reach Gehinnom in order to cleanse itself of its sins, may wander for generations in the world of Tohu, which is a land of confusion and void.

Gehinnom (purgatory)

In Judaic tradition, eternal punishment does not exist. Gehinnom is not, therefore, a classic hell. It is a place of pain and punishment, but the soul will only stay there for a maximum of twelve months, and the purpose is purification, not mere punishment. In other words,it is a spiritual forge, where the imperfections of the soul are purged.

Often, the folklore describes Gehinnom in the primitive style of physical torment, fire and brimstone, but invariably, the Sages disagree with this unintellectual approach. The torment in Gehinnom is mental, and is caused by a state of anxiety and sadness over the sins the soul committed in life, and the distance and separation from God until purity is achieved again.

On Saturday, Gehinnom is emptied, and the souls are permitted one day of bliss and closeness to God. Without it, the souls could not survive the torment of Gehinnom.

Gan Eden (Paradise)

Before entering Gan Eden, the soul bathes in the River of Light. The bath cleanses the soul from the remaining images of life, and it can see and understand the truth of the Olam Haba.

The soul enters the lower Gan Eden, a place of intense joy resembling a symphony of mingled emotions. The soul spends some time there with a group of similar souls, and they are taught their lessons together by a rabbi assigned to the specific group.

After it completes its study period, the soul bathes again in the River of Life, this time to rid itself of emotions and attain blissful understanding. It moves on to the upper Gan Eden. This is a place of joyous intellect and insight, and the study of the Torah is conducted in special schools. Each midnight, God Himself comes to share His wisdom with the inhabitants.

Beyond Gan Eden there is a place called the realm of the Otzar (treasury), also called Tzror ha-hayyim. It is located in the highest spheres of spirituality, and functions as the treasury of souls. Before birth, and after death, the souls may dwell there.

The Option of Reincarnation

Once in the Olam Haba, the soul cannot acquire new good deeds or blessings, only the enrichment of the understanding of the life it led on earth. After the soul learned all that Heaven can teach it following a particular life, it may apply for reincarnation so that it can learn from new circumstances or acquire additional good deeds. But helping oneself is not the only reason to come back to earth. Some souls are so loving, they wish to go back to earth to help others. Some want to correct any wrong doing they committed. Reincarnation is entirely voluntary, and the soul can apply for this privilege at any time -- before or after Gehinnom, anytime in Gan Eden -- until they have created a spiritual body for itself. The spiritual body is the last step before the ultimate goal -- total merging with God.

The dead may come back to earth without full reincarnation by temporarily entering the body of a living human being. Ibbur, a benign form of such union, is done to help the living person, or for performing a few good deeds. Dybbuk, on the other hand, is a negative form of possession, which is experienced when the soul gives way to negative feelings of revenge and unhappiness. In this case, a rabbi must educate the possessing spirit and persuade it to find peace and leave the world of the living.

Gilgul Mechillot Rolling in Subterranean Tunnels.

The Resurrection of the Dead is a complicated subject with many aspects, and is expected to happen in the future, after the Coming of the Messiah. However, it has one connection with the world of the grave which must be mentioned in this article. Awaiting the Resurrection, even when the body is completely decomposed in the earth, one bone remains unharmed to serve as a vehicle for the rebuilding of the entire body when it will be needed for the Resurrection. These bodies will rise in the Land of Israel, which is why so many Jews want to die and be buried there. But what is to happen to the bodies that are buried in other countries? Talmudic tradition claims that subterranean tunnels, called Mechillot, will open at that time from all the graves. The rebuilt bodies will undergo gilgul (rolling) through these tunnels until they reach the Land Israel. To aid the transition, many people buried in other countries request that a small amount of soil from Israel would be put under their head in their graves.

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sandicomm

PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:39 pm


Sorry to bring up an old (and possibly dead) thread, but it's just so amazing! I'm Jewish, and I hardly knew about any of this. It's a little embarrassing, but it's also wonderful to find all of this heritage hiding right under your nose. Is theAvalanches still in this guild? I'd also like to ask if anyone knows of any books about Jewish legends like these. (Although I guess most can be found in the Bible, the Talmud, and the Zohar...)
PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:28 am


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Oh this is all so fun!
It's hard to do this though, I can't seem to get my facts straight.
But very fun!


It's hard to get your "facts" straight then it comes to mythology, particularly when much of mythology has multiple versions. And rabbi's LOVE to come up with their own versions smile

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:48 am


Blackwing Rose
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Oh this is all so fun!
It's hard to do this though, I can't seem to get my facts straight.
But very fun!


It's hard to get your "facts" straight then it comes to mythology, particularly when much of mythology has multiple versions. And rabbi's LOVE to come up with their own versions smile


Indeed. It's kinda like the many writers of the Bible. You'll never know what REALLY happened because so much stuff in there is written by point of view and it's as if each chapter is written by a new guy XD

Oh~ How I love my Gaian jobs XD
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 10:40 pm


In saying Judaism, would you include the sort of things like Canaan mystisism (ie Baal worship and other associated Canaan mystisisms) that got somewhat mixed in with Hebrew and Judaic tradition? Because there is a lot of that. Of course, I think most of it wouldn't really be considered Judaism today.

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