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 Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:42 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Fushigi na Butterfly Okay, okay, I need to clarify. Divorce for reasons such as "oh, we don't get along" or "oh we don't love each other anymore" shouldn't be allowed. Yes, infidelity and abuse should be the only grounds for getting divorced. People who don't get along have so many other options besides divorce. Just because you have a period of disagreement with your friend doesn't mean you stop being their friend; you work on the problem and try to keep the relationship together. Couples who say they don't love each other don't necessarily not love each other anymore, they just don't have the spark they initially felt when they first started falling in love. Usually. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but for the most part, it's the reason I stated before. Again, Jesus disagrees. Divorce is always an option. It's remarriage that's the sin.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:43 pm
Princessofwhatever Fushigi na Butterfly I
BTW, do you mind if I move this into the discussion subforum?? Go ahead...which one though?
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:50 pm
I agree with Allythea; you don't necessarily have to have a: Mother, Father, and possibly a few kids, to be considered a "family". Although that's what a real family should be. But, if you're alone and just living with a pet cat, the cat would be like your family. If that made any sense. n.n; Cometh The Inquisitor Fushigi na Butterfly Okay, okay, I need to clarify. Divorce for reasons such as "oh, we don't get along" or "oh we don't love each other anymore" shouldn't be allowed. Yes, infidelity and abuse should be the only grounds for getting divorced. People who don't get along have so many other options besides divorce. Just because you have a period of disagreement with your friend doesn't mean you stop being their friend; you work on the problem and try to keep the relationship together. Couples who say they don't love each other don't necessarily not love each other anymore, they just don't have the spark they initially felt when they first started falling in love. Usually. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but for the most part, it's the reason I stated before. Again, Jesus disagrees. Divorce is always an option. It's remarriage that's the sin. How can "remarriage" be the sin? What if you don't find the right love of your life, and your first marriage is a mistake? You divorce, thusly you aren't "connected" anymore. You would be ever so lonely if you don't find the right mate, or should I say "partner" that God had meant for you to have.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:35 pm
Because it says that when a man gets married he leaves his father and mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh. How can that one flesh then take on other parts by remarrying? God intended marriage to be lifelong, so ideally no one would get divorced, but unfortunately it does happen.
I think it also makes a good point as far as what marriage is. Is marriage the committment two people make to one another or is it that actual ceremony? Since legally you aren't recognized without documents, I think that's understandable, but is that what really defines a marriage between two people? The ceremony and the documents help to solidify it, but I think as long as two people are serious about pledging their lives to one another and are very sincere and genuine, it counts; just because they don't have the documents or the ceremony, does that still mean they aren't legit in God's eyes?
And since sex is a big privelige of married couples, and should only be shared between two consenting adults in a loving, lifelong relationship, how does it make sense if people are continually remarrying? Marriage and sex would both lose their meaning.
Okay ... I lost my point again. -.-
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:55 pm
Allythea Yes a sensitive topic. But with my two cents here I will say what God intended for the family and how a family works itself out in a fallen world are two different things. I agree God designed a family to consist of a man and a woman with each having a unique input for their children, but we live in a fallen world and sin gets in to distort things. Really distorts things. Now that Jesus has conquered all sin on the cross, He makes a way available in the worst of situations for those who believe in Him. The wonderful part of being a part of the Body of Christ is that when tragedy happens or has happened in a family, God can use the members to help fill in the gaps. A good church will be like a second family and contribute to helping you to grow up into the full stature of Christ. So not only do you end up with many brothers and sisters, but also many father and mother figures that encourage and build you up in the faith. Hmm... let me try to clarify this a little more. Example: John grew up with a dad and mom who are married still today. His parents were good people, but dad never talked to or spent time with John. Dad was there financially for John providing shelter, clothing and food. Dad was never in attendance to special events such as baseball games or school plays. John has spent much of his life trying to get dad's attention and his identity in who he is suffers. John one day submits his life to Jesus and discovers he has a Father in heaven who is always there. John also finds a father figure and a mentor in the pastor at his church. See where I'm going with that? The Body of Christ is family.
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:40 am
Oh, definitely, no doubt about it. But having a central, nuclear family also helps to see how God's love works (in an ideal family situation- and sometimes even in not so ideal family situations).
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:20 pm
This is a hard topic for me to approach, mainly because I can't relate to it at all. I have a Dad, a Mom, a brother and a dog. We're almost a stereotypical family. My Dad has been in two previous marriages, but my parents' current relationship seems fine.
Ideally, a family should have a mother, father and one child (I say one child because our world is desperately over-populated) and pets (optional, but reccomended). However, if certain conidtions neseccitate changes, I think it should be alright. So few families these days are properly functional, it's actually quite depressing. Gay couples are fine, couples with major issues with each other that divorce are fine, single parents that go to a sperm bank are alright, although rare.
I don't have mch to add to this, but I'm just putting out my ideas.
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:57 pm
i think having a loving mother and father who get ALONG really well because ur children will learn how to raise their family from that. I hope someday that i will become a wonderful mother.
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:23 pm
Yes, yes! I second that. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:33 pm
I have an amazingly stereotypical family. My mom never dated anyone but my dad. They first met when they were really little, actually, and then met again in high school. Their marriage is completely happy. They argue occasionally, but it's quickly resolved. The scientific angle: a 'perfect' family is a mother, a father, and two children. Therefore their genes are passed on and they are replaced in the world. Three children would mean one extra, creating one more person in the world and throwing off the balance. One child would, in a perfect world, be too few. But since so many people have 'extras' the second child's missing space is easily filled. The God angle: a 'perfect' family is one that loves. Don't you see? If there is not love, it is not a family. If you get married to someone, and you loved them but you fight all the time and so you split, God doesn't think that's okay. And you shouldn't go marrying anyone else, because you still have a family because there's still love there. If you marry someone and your heart is still with someone else, then you're a bigomist in God's eyes. If you get married to someone and there is no love, having an affair is a sign of that. People can work their issues out, and many times it is not a result of lack of love. But, if one party has an affair and both parties want a divorce and niether loves the other, then you weren't really a family to begin with. You can say the words "till death do us part" but unless you're together (physically or emotionally like I said before) until death parts you, the words never meant anything in the first place. Quote: I agree with Allythea; you don't necessarily have to have a: Mother, Father, and possibly a few kids, to be considered a "family". Although that's what a real family should be. But, if you're alone and just living with a pet cat, the cat would be like your family. If that made any sense. n.n; See, the people who you really love, these are your family. Deep down love. Whoever it may be, it doesn't have to be romantic love, it's just love. As for marriage and that stuff. You have to make a purposeful commitment to one another. It's symbolic of your love, that you will commit to one another because you love them that deeply.
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:17 pm
Look, a child needs both a father and a mother. First there are things a father can do for his child that a mother can't and there are things a mother can do for her child that a father can't. Also it is the way of nature, God made it that way, and you don't argue w/ God's descions, cuz He made you too...........
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:15 pm
Quote: Look, a child needs both a father and a mother. First there are things a father can do for his child that a mother can't and there are things a mother can do for her child that a father can't. Also it is the way of nature, God made it that way, and you don't argue w/ God's descions, cuz He made you too........... I'm not arguing with God's desicions, I just don't believe He made the desicions you keep telling me I'm arguing with. Let's not get too fancy here: the 'actual' difference between men and women is their organs. Please let's not get into a discussion about transexuals in which people berate me for saying that, I'm trying to make a point. And the point is that people who are not of the traditional sex can still fulfill the traditional roles. If a kid does not have a mother and a father, nuclear family, that kid will subconciously make someone the mother or the father 'figure'. A woman can act as a father figure. Kids with one mom or one dad, or even two moms or two dads don't turn out screwed up at any higher a rate kids with a mom and dad do. If you would please list off the things that people of each sex's organs are preventing them from doing for their child, I would appreciate it. If you can't, I'd only be reaffirmed in my belief that such a list does not exist.
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:13 pm
Captain_Theoretical Quote: Look, a child needs both a father and a mother. First there are things a father can do for his child that a mother can't and there are things a mother can do for her child that a father can't. Also it is the way of nature, God made it that way, and you don't argue w/ God's descions, cuz He made you too........... I'm not arguing with God's desicions, I just don't believe He made the desicions you keep telling me I'm arguing with. Let's not get too fancy here: the 'actual' difference between men and women is their organs. Please let's not get into a discussion about transexuals in which people berate me for saying that, I'm trying to make a point. And the point is that people who are not of the traditional sex can still fulfill the traditional roles. If a kid does not have a mother and a father, nuclear family, that kid will subconciously make someone the mother or the father 'figure'. A woman can act as a father figure. Kids with one mom or one dad, or even two moms or two dads don't turn out screwed up at any higher a rate kids with a mom and dad do. If you would please list off the things that people of each sex's organs are preventing them from doing for their child, I would appreciate it. If you can't, I'd only be reaffirmed in my belief that such a list does not exist. I was not talking about their oragans I was talking about their roles, the lessons a mother teaches best are not the lessons a father teaches the best and single parent families are completly different form homosexual parent families, because in the single parent families the children are not confused (i would be confused if i had two mommies or two daddies, and disgusted) and they can find a person to fill out the other role (if they have a mom they can find a guy that will be the "father figure", if they have only a dad then they can find a women that will be the "mother figure").
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:18 pm
Quote: I was not talking about their oragans I was talking about their roles, And I'm saying a man can play a mother's role and a woman can play a father's. Quote: the lessons a mother teaches best are not the lessons a father teaches the best Not always true. Quote: and single parent families are completly different form homosexual parent families, because in the single parent families the children are not confused Provide evidence other than your personal beliefs that children with homosexual parents are any more confused than the children of single parents. Quote: (i would be confused if i had two mommies or two daddies, and disgusted) I'm really sorry to burst your bubble here, but you wouldn't. Instead of being raised to believe homosexuality was a sin, you'd be raised to believe it was perfectly okay. You might not even be a Christian. But before you attack me, I believe the reason things work out the way they do is God's plan so don't get your panties in a bunch over something that might of happened in an alternate universe. Quote: and they can find a person to fill out the other role (if they have a mom they can find a guy that will be the "father figure", if they have only a dad then they can find a women that will be the "mother figure"). Kids with homosexual parents subconsciously select one of their parents to be the father figure, and the other the mother figure, regardless of gender.
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:02 pm
Captain_Theoretical Quote: I was not talking about their oragans I was talking about their roles, And I'm saying a man can play a mother's role and a woman can play a father's. Quote: the lessons a mother teaches best are not the lessons a father teaches the best Not always true. Quote: and single parent families are completly different form homosexual parent families, because in the single parent families the children are not confused Provide evidence other than your personal beliefs that children with homosexual parents are any more confused than the children of single parents. Quote: (i would be confused if i had two mommies or two daddies, and disgusted) I'm really sorry to burst your bubble here, but you wouldn't. Instead of being raised to believe homosexuality was a sin, you'd be raised to believe it was perfectly okay. You might not even be a Christian. But before you attack me, I believe the reason things work out the way they do is God's plan so don't get your panties in a bunch over something that might of happened in an alternate universe. Quote: and they can find a person to fill out the other role (if they have a mom they can find a guy that will be the "father figure", if they have only a dad then they can find a women that will be the "mother figure"). Kids with homosexual parents subconsciously select one of their parents to be the father figure, and the other the mother figure, regardless of gender. A man canNOT play a mother's role because God made it that it's the WOMAN'S job to play the MOTHER'S role and that it's the MAN's job to play the FATHER'S role, there is NO arguing w/ God's ways a decisions
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