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Ok... I lost a huge post to this thread yesterday due to a stupid use of the copy/paste feature... So I´m going to rewrite it as best I remember it.

First off, does anyone know for certain from where/when does the Atlantis myth comes from? Cause I don't...

Second, I'd like to talk about what I think of the whole Atlantis-Flood thing.

It is widely known that before our age there was an Ice Age. Each Ice Age (and the last was no exception) lasts for about 100.000 years, and the last one ended about 10.000 years ago. Considering that that the human race exists for something like 200.000 years, it is not hard to assume that there were advanced civilizations that were born and died in those long ice years. The fact that there are pyramids in three distinct parts of the world (Central and South America, Egypt and Asia) may be an indication of this ancient, advanced, unifying civilization.

Imagine now when all that snow began to melt. It was a period of crisis, since its not every day the planet changes its axis. There must have been catastrophes and cataclisms of great proportions. This is possibly the origin of all the Flood myths, and it might as well be the origin of the Atlantis myth. The idea of an island being swallowed by the waters in one of such catastrophes seems to me quite easy to believe, since the water level in the world certainly must have risen when the Ice Age ended.

Anyway, this is my opinion on the subject, and no, I don't think it still exist underwater, with their people adapted to the new environment. That is just plain divagation in my opinion.

Close but no cigar!
The monastic orders were just as ignorant as the "peasants." Old documents that were in Greek were scraped of ink, then reused because they didn't have paper. Does that sound smart? How about the fact that the monks that were doing the copying couldn't read the very words they were writing? There was no effort to keep the peasants down by the clergy. That was done by the monarchy and nobles of each land (for the simple reason of, if they peasants get smart, they'll see how much they were screwed by their rulers, which happened about 1450 anyway). And monastaries were only known to be places of "knowledge" that the Church deemed credible and worthy to be written down at all, which was during the 1500's on.

This one is a tad tougher to explain, but the oldest record of any truly human sapien in prehistory is only 100,000 years old, from the Paleolithic portion of the Pleistocene Epoch. Civilization started in the Holocene Epoch, some 80 odd thousand years later, the Epoch we are currently in (Creating past time frames makes it difficult on ourselves, because when can we say THIS Epoch and Period and Era will end?).

To debunk the pyramid idea, even a 2-year old can build a pyramid with blocks in any culture. The way each of those pyramids were built, and the purposes of them, are completely unique to those regions, which means they obviously didn't start in the same place. The Egyptians buried their kings (and anyone wealthy enough to buy one) in them, and the South Americans celebrated conquests there as well as human sacrafices to the gods for appeasement, something that horrified the Egyptians in concept (Sacrafice was meant for food and animals, not people). The Asian pyramids have been poked and prodded, but no one decision has been reached on that.

Curiously, though, there was cocoa-bean trade from South American into Egypt sometime about 500 B.C., discovered in the 90s by preserved cocoa beans in an Egyptian tomb. No variety to match has been found in Africa, so the conclusion was reached that some group or groups of people from SA crossed the Atlantic and traded. What really happened, or even what happened to the people, is unknown.

I personally believe that Atlantis was actually an advanced civilization in the Andes Mountains in South America. Plato described the kingdom vividly, down to the natural and rare elements of the lost civilization. The approximate size ratios, the natural occurance of orichalcum, even the barrier around it all.

Archealogists have also dug up pictures of elephants (not native to the Americas) engraved on the walls of ruins near the Altiplano Plains. There is even evidence that the concentric rings of land and water were found and that they technology of channels andflood gates were great.

I just think that with a little more time and effort...the archealogists will find the ancient city. ^_^

...and thus, the theories still are yet to be proven...DUNT DUNT DAA!!!

err....Oriental Dragon (if that's not right,I'm sorry Yan,I'm very new 'ere) but I assume you mean the phoenicians?

As for Atlantis,I believe it was at one point there,no clue as to where and when. According to Plato (which was the first accound of it recorded...I seem to be wrong,although) it was over the size of Asia Minor and Libya combined....I've yet to see a map of what an Egyptian thought of Libya as (as the Egyptians told the nobel/official who then told Plato),so it's size varies...Some think it was Thera,others the Canary Islands, some the Americas and even the peninsula of Sweden,Finland, and Norway....and Crete,of course. Eitherway, it's suppost to be huge...I don't think the Egyptians would mistranslate the size that drastically...and just as little question,what do some of you guys/girls think that orichalcum was?

Oh ya, (again) but strangely,Plato refers to it in two of his diolouges(sp?) (I've read niether,though),then he strangely never refers to it again. Some think he was using it as a solely fictional image of a perfect society, others think it was actually Troy and he noticed the similarities between his Atlantis and Homer's Troy. Oh ya,and a characteristic (not sure wherethis came from, but I hear it every time I see anything about Atalantis) was that Atlantis was in a great was with Greece...That's what kinda throws most of the theories.

It's quite possible that we were not the first "civilised" evolutionary stage on the planet (understand that waffle?). The earth tilts 1/2 a degree on its axis every 27,000 years, so about 400,000 years ago or something the air and temperature were very similar to how they are now. It could easily have sustained life.

Facts, I must admit, come from Ice Station by Matthew reilly with some Internet checking. I'm fairly sure that it's right though.

Some people think that Atlantis was populated with a race of people who were more in-tune with the earth adn the spirits than we have ever been. I like the idea.