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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:43 pm
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:52 pm
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NowhereManXP The OZ-00MS Tallgeese was far more advanced than most contemporary Mobile Suits: even Zechs himself could barely handle it at first. The OZ-06MS Leo is simply a scaled-back version of the Tallgeese. In fact, it has just as many Speed Ability points as the XXXG-01W Wing Gundam--not to mention the fact that it has more Power Ability points than the aforementioned Gundam. I think a more apt comparison between the two characters would be to place them at the same age (19) and go from there. For clarification, Char Aznable is 19 years old at the beginning of Mobile Suit Gundam and Zechs Merquise is of the same age as of the beginning of Mobile Suit Gundam Wing*. Next, we should place each in similar machines. Give Char Aznable his MS-06S Zaku II Commander Type and Zechs his OZ-06MS Leo Cannon Type. Now you can have them duke it out on relatively equal footing. No massive weapons, no special systems, just pilot-to-pilot in comparatively basic Mobile Suits.
isn`t the Leo Cannon far more advanced than the Zaku? isn`t the cannonn a beam weapon?
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:09 pm
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Barsona NowhereManXP The OZ-00MS Tallgeese was far more advanced than most contemporary Mobile Suits: even Zechs himself could barely handle it at first. The OZ-06MS Leo is simply a scaled-back version of the Tallgeese. In fact, it has just as many Speed Ability points as the XXXG-01W Wing Gundam--not to mention the fact that it has more Power Ability points than the aforementioned Gundam. I think a more apt comparison between the two characters would be to place them at the same age (19) and go from there. For clarification, Char Aznable is 19 years old at the beginning of Mobile Suit Gundam and Zechs Merquise is of the same age as of the beginning of Mobile Suit Gundam Wing*. Next, we should place each in similar machines. Give Char Aznable his MS-06S Zaku II Commander Type and Zechs his OZ-06MS Leo Cannon Type. Now you can have them duke it out on relatively equal footing. No massive weapons, no special systems, just pilot-to-pilot in comparatively basic Mobile Suits. isn`t the Leo Cannon far more advanced than the Zaku? isn`t the cannonn a beam weapon? Actually, thinking about it, I don't think that Zechs did pilot a Cannon Type. My mistake. Let's stick him in a regular Leo instead. To be fair, we'll keep Char in his MS-06S Zaku II, but we'll give Zechs a Beam Rifle. wink
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:15 am
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NowhereManXP Barsona NowhereManXP The OZ-00MS Tallgeese was far more advanced than most contemporary Mobile Suits: even Zechs himself could barely handle it at first. The OZ-06MS Leo is simply a scaled-back version of the Tallgeese. In fact, it has just as many Speed Ability points as the XXXG-01W Wing Gundam--not to mention the fact that it has more Power Ability points than the aforementioned Gundam. I think a more apt comparison between the two characters would be to place them at the same age (19) and go from there. For clarification, Char Aznable is 19 years old at the beginning of Mobile Suit Gundam and Zechs Merquise is of the same age as of the beginning of Mobile Suit Gundam Wing*. Next, we should place each in similar machines. Give Char Aznable his MS-06S Zaku II Commander Type and Zechs his OZ-06MS Leo Cannon Type. Now you can have them duke it out on relatively equal footing. No massive weapons, no special systems, just pilot-to-pilot in comparatively basic Mobile Suits. isn`t the Leo Cannon far more advanced than the Zaku? isn`t the cannonn a beam weapon? Actually, thinking about it, I don't think that Zechs did pilot a Cannon Type. My mistake. Let's stick him in a regular Leo instead. To be fair, we'll keep Char in his MS-06S Zaku II, but we'll give Zechs a Beam Rifle. wink What battlefield? Space or Earth? Open and clear or a battlefield with obstacles?
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:01 pm
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:22 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:55 am
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:17 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:56 pm
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NowhereManXP Barsona NowhereManXP The OZ-00MS Tallgeese was far more advanced than most contemporary Mobile Suits: even Zechs himself could barely handle it at first. The OZ-06MS Leo is simply a scaled-back version of the Tallgeese. In fact, it has just as many Speed Ability points as the XXXG-01W Wing Gundam--not to mention the fact that it has more Power Ability points than the aforementioned Gundam. I think a more apt comparison between the two characters would be to place them at the same age (19) and go from there. For clarification, Char Aznable is 19 years old at the beginning of Mobile Suit Gundam and Zechs Merquise is of the same age as of the beginning of Mobile Suit Gundam Wing*. Next, we should place each in similar machines. Give Char Aznable his MS-06S Zaku II Commander Type and Zechs his OZ-06MS Leo Cannon Type. Now you can have them duke it out on relatively equal footing. No massive weapons, no special systems, just pilot-to-pilot in comparatively basic Mobile Suits. isn`t the Leo Cannon far more advanced than the Zaku? isn`t the cannonn a beam weapon? Actually, thinking about it, I don't think that Zechs did pilot a Cannon Type. My mistake. Let's stick him in a regular Leo instead. To be fair, we'll keep Char in his MS-06S Zaku II, but we'll give Zechs a Beam Rifle. wink
ooo i see where you are getting at... tricky tricky zechs...
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:25 pm
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Cagalli Yura Attha What battlefield? Space or Earth? Open and clear or a battlefield with obstacles? Why not run scenarios using all of the aforementioned variables?
Scenario Set One: Space
Location One: Earth Orbit Conditions: Clear
We'll give Zechs' Leo the vernier backpack for this match: he'd be positively screwed without it. Considering that there isn't a separate set of stats for the space-varient Leo, we might as well say that whatever performance boosts the backpack provides are relatively minimal. The Zaku II S-type probably has the greater mobility.
As to the subject of propellent, I'm inclined to think that the Space Leo will have a greater amount of it than the Zaku II S-type. That backpack is pretty big. However, how efficient its propellent is happens to be a mystery.
[This all is, of course, conjecture on my part.]
Now, to the battle itself.
Zechs' Beam Rifle certainly sports more firepower than Char's 120mm Machine Gun or Bazooka (let's give Char his Machine Gun for the time being), but the real question is whether or not he can hit Char. If we go solely off of the Gundam Wing series--and not the "Zechs is a Newtype" mumbo-jumbo that the manga gives us--I'm inclined to believe that Char's Newtype prowess gives him the edge.
With no significant cover, it's going to be pilot-versus-pilot and machine-versus-machine. It's hard to get the drop on your enemy when you have no place to hide.
So, here's how I see this unfolding:
1. Char swoops in and fills the poor Leo full of holes before it can score a hit on him with the Beam Rifle;
2. Zechs somehow holds Char off until the "Red Comet" expends his combat propellent, forcing him to withdraw. No clear victor, though Zechs wins by default.
Location Two: Shoal Zone Conditions: Heavy Debris
I see much the same thing happening here, though the tactics will obviously be different. This will be much more of a run-and-gun battle, with both combatants trying to surprise the other using the larger pieces of debris as cover. Outcomes:
1. Char reads Zechs and fills him full of bullets;
2. Zechs impressively fends off Char until the latter runs out of propellent and is forced to head back.
Scenario Set Two: Terrestrial Environment [Earth]
[Coming Soon!]
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:18 pm
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:35 pm
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:04 pm
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