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 Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:23 pm
tfklovr Jesus approved of cutting off of hands? Maybe as a punishment, but not out of depression or self pity. Our bodies are the Lords, and we should treat them as if they were! The Bible tells us to rejoice and make joyful noises unto God, be of good cheer, not wallow in our own self pity feeling sorry for ourselves and slicing our wrists. Woah, woah. Since when is teenage clothing style equivilent to self mutilation? Sorry, but no. The two may not be mutually exclusive, but correlation does not imply causation. Self mutilation is a symptom of psychological disorder. Judging and blaming the victim helps no one.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:26 pm
tfklovr Most Christians are leery (is that the word I'm looking for?) of goths/kids wearing dark make-up, tons of piercings, the spiked collar look, etc. because of the attitude that usually comes with it. As long as your heart is in the right place, God doesn't care if you're wearing a calico hoop skirt or a black trenchcoat. The only thing he's worried about is if your heart is for Him and your attitude isn't depressed. And if you are emo but don't cut that is fine, because cutting is mutilating your body which God says is wrong. If you want the verse I can get it for you, but God DOES say our bodies are his temple and that we shouldn't mutilate ourselves. That's my go xD Musical/stylistic subculture=/=symptom of mental disease. I'm sure if one is depressed, God would want them to get help.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:43 pm
Wishbone Redemption tfklovr Jesus approved of cutting off of hands? Maybe as a punishment, but not out of depression or self pity. Our bodies are the Lords, and we should treat them as if they were! The Bible tells us to rejoice and make joyful noises unto God, be of good cheer, not wallow in our own self pity feeling sorry for ourselves and slicing our wrists. Woah, woah. Since when is teenage clothing style equivilent to self mutilation? Sorry, but no. The two may not be mutually exclusive, but correlation does not imply causation. Self mutilation is a symptom of psychological disorder. Judging and blaming the victim helps no one. I don't believe she was trying to say that, she was just responding to one of my posts.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:58 am
Why you think it's okay.
It is okay because good does not care how you dress.
I really like people should be able to come as they are infront of god.
If you want to dress in trench coats and spike collars, so be it.
Why you don't think it's okay.
I don't see a problem with it at all.
Jesus started on the grassroots level.
So why can't unmainsteam fashion not be welcomed into church.
It is what is on the inside that counts.
if you believe in god, then I don't see why being goth is a bad thing.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:07 pm
Wishbone Redemption tfklovr Jesus approved of cutting off of hands? Maybe as a punishment, but not out of depression or self pity. Our bodies are the Lords, and we should treat them as if they were! The Bible tells us to rejoice and make joyful noises unto God, be of good cheer, not wallow in our own self pity feeling sorry for ourselves and slicing our wrists. Woah, woah. Since when is teenage clothing style equivilent to self mutilation? Sorry, but no. The two may not be mutually exclusive, but correlation does not imply causation. Self mutilation is a symptom of psychological disorder. Judging and blaming the victim helps no one. You need context, bud xD I was mentioning self mutilation in response to someone else, not saying goths are all cutters.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:14 pm
NewFoundLight tfklovr Jesus approved of cutting off of hands? Maybe as a punishment, but not out of depression or self pity. Our bodies are the Lords, and we should treat them as if they were! The Bible tells us to rejoice and make joyful noises unto God, be of good cheer, not wallow in our own self pity feeling sorry for ourselves and slicing our wrists. ah...where? and I don't know if he did, but he made mention saying it is better to cut out ones eyes instead of sinning with them, however I think he meant that in a different sense...not literal. Psalm 118:24 "This is the day that the Lord has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it." Philippians 4:4 "Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!" 1 Thess. 5:16 "Be joyful always." 1 Thess 5:18 "Give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus." I have to go eat dinner, so I won't list more, but I hope you see that it is contradictory to cut yourself out of depression and rejoice always and give thanks in all circumstances at the same time. =P
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:41 pm
Sure. Dont see why they cant be. As long as they have accepted Jesus and such then what does it matter what they wear and such.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:49 pm
tfklovr NewFoundLight tfklovr Jesus approved of cutting off of hands? Maybe as a punishment, but not out of depression or self pity. Our bodies are the Lords, and we should treat them as if they were! The Bible tells us to rejoice and make joyful noises unto God, be of good cheer, not wallow in our own self pity feeling sorry for ourselves and slicing our wrists. ah...where? and I don't know if he did, but he made mention saying it is better to cut out ones eyes instead of sinning with them, however I think he meant that in a different sense...not literal. Psalm 118:24 "This is the day that the Lord has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it." Philippians 4:4 "Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!" 1 Thess. 5:16 "Be joyful always." 1 Thess 5:18 "Give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus." I have to go eat dinner, so I won't list more, but I hope you see that it is contradictory to cut yourself out of depression and rejoice always and give thanks in all circumstances at the same time. =P Oh yea thats real great, anyways let me tell you a little something called truth, everybody is not happy I'm sure they like to be, but their not, it's a fact, and no matter how much the Bible tells you to be joyful, you you have to fix whatever is making you said to be joyful...but anyways yea, how does that respond to what I was saying earlier?
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:49 am
i think personally, that ther can be christian goths and emos. As long as the Emo arent cutters and as long as the goths are really christian. it doesnt matter how you dress. (as long as it's decently modest) It's what's insade that counts *bows* There's my two cents sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:30 pm
NewFoundLight tfklovr NewFoundLight tfklovr Jesus approved of cutting off of hands? Maybe as a punishment, but not out of depression or self pity. Our bodies are the Lords, and we should treat them as if they were! The Bible tells us to rejoice and make joyful noises unto God, be of good cheer, not wallow in our own self pity feeling sorry for ourselves and slicing our wrists. ah...where? and I don't know if he did, but he made mention saying it is better to cut out ones eyes instead of sinning with them, however I think he meant that in a different sense...not literal. Psalm 118:24 "This is the day that the Lord has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it." Philippians 4:4 "Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!" 1 Thess. 5:16 "Be joyful always." 1 Thess 5:18 "Give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus." I have to go eat dinner, so I won't list more, but I hope you see that it is contradictory to cut yourself out of depression and rejoice always and give thanks in all circumstances at the same time. =P Oh yea thats real great, anyways let me tell you a little something called truth, everybody is not happy I'm sure they like to be, but their not, it's a fact, and no matter how much the Bible tells you to be joyful, you you have to fix whatever is making you said to be joyful...but anyways yea, how does that respond to what I was saying earlier? How does it respond to which thing? And I didn't say everyone was happy. I said Jesus commands us to give thanks and be rejoiceful for what he has done for us, and cutting doesn't match up with that.
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:10 am
tfklovr NewFoundLight tfklovr NewFoundLight tfklovr Jesus approved of cutting off of hands? Maybe as a punishment, but not out of depression or self pity. Our bodies are the Lords, and we should treat them as if they were! The Bible tells us to rejoice and make joyful noises unto God, be of good cheer, not wallow in our own self pity feeling sorry for ourselves and slicing our wrists. ah...where? and I don't know if he did, but he made mention saying it is better to cut out ones eyes instead of sinning with them, however I think he meant that in a different sense...not literal. Psalm 118:24 "This is the day that the Lord has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it." Philippians 4:4 "Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!" 1 Thess. 5:16 "Be joyful always." 1 Thess 5:18 "Give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus." I have to go eat dinner, so I won't list more, but I hope you see that it is contradictory to cut yourself out of depression and rejoice always and give thanks in all circumstances at the same time. =P Oh yea thats real great, anyways let me tell you a little something called truth, everybody is not happy I'm sure they like to be, but their not, it's a fact, and no matter how much the Bible tells you to be joyful, you you have to fix whatever is making you said to be joyful...but anyways yea, how does that respond to what I was saying earlier? How does it respond to which thing? Quote: follow my post, it's the one that you quoted with all those verses. And I didn't say everyone was happy. I said Jesus commands us to give thanks and be rejoiceful for what he has done for us, and cutting doesn't match up with that.
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:38 pm
I'm not so sure about any attitude, but if you're talking about the goth style of clothing, I don't think it matters.
It's what you're saying that counts. The words that come from your mouth, your actions and attitude....you can't cheapen yourself by wearing spikes while praying.
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:33 pm
tfklovr NewFoundLight tfklovr Jesus approved of cutting off of hands? Maybe as a punishment, but not out of depression or self pity. Our bodies are the Lords, and we should treat them as if they were! The Bible tells us to rejoice and make joyful noises unto God, be of good cheer, not wallow in our own self pity feeling sorry for ourselves and slicing our wrists. ah...where? and I don't know if he did, but he made mention saying it is better to cut out ones eyes instead of sinning with them, however I think he meant that in a different sense...not literal. Psalm 118:24 "This is the day that the Lord has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it." Philippians 4:4 "Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!" 1 Thess. 5:16 "Be joyful always." 1 Thess 5:18 "Give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus." I have to go eat dinner, so I won't list more, but I hope you see that it is contradictory to cut yourself out of depression and rejoice always and give thanks in all circumstances at the same time. =P Ummm I'm not that joyful of anything some days. in fact that's what got me into goth in the first place, i just happened to nitice this little light and go. "Oh wow" but for the most part my mood remains hiden by a darkness. you have to get in real close to see the light.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:11 am
tfklovr Jesus approved of cutting off of hands? Maybe as a punishment, but not out of depression or self pity. Our bodies are the Lords, and we should treat them as if they were! The Bible tells us to rejoice and make joyful noises unto God, be of good cheer, not wallow in our own self pity feeling sorry for ourselves and slicing our wrists. Ummm Mary, I think you made a slight context flaw. In the verse I believe you were refering to Leviticus 19:28 " 'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.' " was at a point in time where many of the people were cutting themselves in worship of the dead. And were I do not see any logic in cutting yourself (it sends endorphins when they do this thus causing temporary euphoria to their depressed minds) as it causes terrible damage to oneself, I have yet to find a verse on it. Also while lying in self-pity the devil is standing on your doorstep (as it usually results in selfish behavior), it in itself is some occasions difficult to avoid. Also the Bible tells us to be joyful, and no this does not mean wearing plastic smiles and laughing all the time. Just remember that God faithfully cares for his flock, and that he will not give you challenges you will be unable to bear. And Light, the verse you were refering to about if your eye causes you to sin you should gouge it out? It was simply a metaphor meaning that if you give into a certain temptation over and over and wish to stop, you may need to give up something that may cause the temptation. (e.g. Say you had a porn site that you like viewing. If you keep it on your bookmark list then sooner or later you will be tempted. Temptation in itself is not a sin, however if you give into it, it is a sin. In repeatably making this error, you will want to get rid of the temptation altogether. Like blocking the site from your internet browser.)
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:16 am
Wishbone Redemption tfklovr Most Christians are leery (is that the word I'm looking for?) of goths/kids wearing dark make-up, tons of piercings, the spiked collar look, etc. because of the attitude that usually comes with it. As long as your heart is in the right place, God doesn't care if you're wearing a calico hoop skirt or a black trenchcoat. The only thing he's worried about is if your heart is for Him and your attitude isn't depressed. And if you are emo but don't cut that is fine, because cutting is mutilating your body which God says is wrong. If you want the verse I can get it for you, but God DOES say our bodies are his temple and that we shouldn't mutilate ourselves. That's my go xD Musical/stylistic subculture=/=symptom of mental disease. I'm sure if one is depressed, God would want them to get help. I couldn't agree more Wishbone. They are not right in the head and need some help in order to get things sorted out. Lend aid, not catty tongues!
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