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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:49 am
names are the most important part of any anime. like how 4kids ruined the pokemon series by addressing Satoshi as Brock. what the fck! that has no similarities whatsoever! not to mention the fckin yugioh series. why the fck is the blonde guy named Joey? and why the fck does he have a brooklyn accent? all of it is ruined.... yugioh was a pretty cool kids' anime that i liked in subs, but 4kids ruins everything. they also ruined One Piece, but i dont give a fck about that. its all fan-based, and i am no fan of that show. it fckin sucks even in subs.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:19 pm
Names aren't important, the core feeling and the overall plot are important. Names have very little to do with that.
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:20 pm
names are important, dude. especially the honorifics that tells the level of relationships between characters. it shows what type of relations one character formed with another, and shows a lot of background in a way.
and i am sure that you know what i am talking about, but -chan, -kun, -sama, and -san. that is the suffixes that i was talking about.
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:58 pm
Those things aren't really needed. In the end, such things tell you how close people are, but that becomes clear really fast with little dialouge.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 1:20 pm
not true. manners of speech is solely determined by honorific speeches and suffixes to names when it comes to Korean or Japanese, and i am indeed korean, and i speak, read, and write korean. dont try to doubt it.
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:33 pm
It really hasn't made a difference at all to me wether a perspon's called sama, san, chan, dono, pyon, tan, rin, etc. It all comes down to how the two characters interact to me.
Plus, mannerismas are different in English depending on who and what situation you're dealing with. It's like that way all over. If you're in a formal situation or talking to someone you don't know, you'll be more formal, polite, etc. while if you're familiar with someone you'll generally be more blunt with them. This is true for both English anf Japanese at least. Plane form versus, formal that is. Although, in many cases some people are just portrayed as always being formal or what not, and this still is easily portrayed. Body language and word, even without honorifics, easily allow you to tell the character relations. I don't need a little sister character, or someone who acts like a little sister to another character to add "nii-san" or what not to the end of the character's name to know what's going on.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 10:32 pm
honestly, no offense to this comment im about to make, but your opinion has very little in impact. the structure of the japanese and korean language say that the tone and the word choices between honorifics and normal has a lot of impact in how one addresses. the only reason you probably dont think so is probably becuz you arent familiar with the japanese or korean lauguage as the native speakers are, AND.... you are just too used to the dubs... dubs ruin the sense of how the relations between the characters are established and shown using the lauguage spoken between or among characters. with japanese/korean spoken, most of that is only found out by the structure of how one addresses others and him- or herself.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:44 pm
Actually, this fails to be the case. I hardly ever get the chance to hear dubs, and have gotten used to interpreting character relations shrough actions, not honorifics. Doesn't work in a lot of cases you know. Try interpreting character relations solely on honorifics in something like Muteki Kanban Musume, and Megumi will throw you completely off.
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:53 pm
yes, well, a broken clock is right twice a day in telling the time. as in, there are exceptions to every rule, but the MAJORITY, which is like 99% of manga/anime series, rely on what i was arguing for. honorifics are essential. it is just how the japanese language was made for. they copied and changed the korean language, which relied heavily on honorifics/regular language. it just cannot be argued.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:47 pm
Actually, like I said, they don't rely on them. They CAN help, but you should be able to pick up these things pretty easily. I understand character relations with or without them. SInce I generally watch in ENglish first when it comes to Geneon or ADV.
I've heard nothing about Japanese using the Korean Language. Japanese are highly prejudiced toward Koreans, even more than Chinese. O.o
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:03 pm
i think you mean the other way around. the koreans were basically treated as a bag of s**t to them back when they made Korea into a sphere of influence and took over every aspect of the korean life. they took our language and changed it for us to use and making us study their culture, history, and curriculum of education. you wouldnt understand it becuz you arent a korean, but the japanese stole our language and changed it, and that is what you get. the modern japanese language.
honestly, i like having debates, but if you dont know what you are talking about, please acknowledge it yourself. i dont mind if a person is wrong as long as they admit it to themselves and to the other party.
korean language relies on honorifics. the japanese stole our language and changed it to make it their own. that shows that honorifics is a heavy and important aspect in the language.
the japanese dont hate the koreans. koreans hate the japanese. its more like the japanese are afraid of us. they know they did such cruel things to us, but refuse to admit it and apologize for it. like recently, the korean americans living in the U.S. asked for the U.S. government in asking for an apology from the japanese government for abusing and raping the korean women during those days, who still live as the elderly. many of them just wants an apology and die peacefully, but the japanese government still doesnt admit all the horrible things they did to the koreans in the past.
now the debate is moving towards talking about the relations between the japanese and the korean, which i do not want to talk about. lets stop here.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:21 pm
As a Japanese p[erson I have to tell you. Yes, Japanese are super raceist, and yes, they hate Koreans. They put them on the level of the "Eta" which were practucally considered "untouchables" in Japanese society. My grandfather actually was stilll pretty rigid about that back when he was alive. Basically he said to my mom, "Don't marry a Korean or an Eta."
That's just how things are, Japanese have a pretty big supremacy going on, perhps rivaling the French, and in the end, they generally didn't like the people close by.
The abuse and rape thing is pretty much known all over, and that's what the Japanese did to totally break the will of an opposing country... not that it worked. Their crazy devotion was more scary when it came to blowing themselfs up with grenades rahter than getting captured.
I may also point out that your claim that the Japanese took the Korean language system is simply an unproven hypothesis. If you hadn't noticed, the systems are pretty different right now, hell the writings not even close since Japan took up the Chinese writing characters. Anyway, Japanese, yes, in theory has the closest relation to Korean, but you have to throw thosse languages into a group with Mongolian, Turkish, and Tungusic.
Anyway, in the end, with Japanese, honorifics are used for social standing and endearment, nothing more, nothing less. In total, to actually complete this system, one actually has to change thier opattern of speach using completelydifferent words for different situations. With friends, you're more frank, can use slang, kand cut the formalies like uising "masu" form or verbs. Plus There's different verbs for differnt levels of things such as gicing and recieving depending on one's postion. Seriously, you can't get away with calling a rigid teacher just "-sensei," you'll have to use polite form and be... well, less frank. In this sense, we can allso look culureally at Japanese and their tendancy to be... indirect. Japanese people are supposed to be modest so when recieving compliments when not withfriends, they're expected to deny them, and when making a suggestion or posing a question of like or dislike they'll always ask if you DON'T want to do something or DON'T like something. Honorifics aren't even the half of it, and in the end, they're not all that necissary. People just expect them.
By the way, in case you didn't realize, although I'm born and raized in America, I'm full blooded Japanese, taking Japanese classes, and make references to school related websites to things I'm not sure of. Like that steppe language stuff. I got that inf from MIT.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:10 pm
japanese have a superiority complex or something. thats why koreans hate japanese and japanese hate koreans. but of course, japanese have no justifications to their hatred towards koreans. they started everything. koreans have every right to hate japanese since they tortured us and lied about ever doing the horrible acts they committed.
in short, japan by itself can be described as a narcissist.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:11 pm
EnpatsuShakuganLover well, you know what? dont be so negative. you dont even explain why you dont like G Gundam. i said why i hate the series. because its yuri. i know this is kinda late, but the idea of mechs from different countries meeting up and fighting is pretty lame, it looses the feel of the other gundam series. Plus the mobile suits were just dumb, to look at and in what they did.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:32 pm
just becuz something is unique, doesnt make it not interesting. honestly, if there was no G Gundam, and they just did the same-old gundam sequels and spin-offs with 2 or more nations/countries/organizations fighting against each other using gundam suits as units of war, the gundam series would have died out.
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