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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:23 pm
I'm an agnostic. I will accept proof of a god/higher power, but you will need such overwhelming proof that it cannot be doubted. I do not have a problem with religons, just some of their practises. I believe religon to be a good thing for some people, but it is almost always taken to far. For a spiritual, and not philosophicial or emperical, view at my tendancies, read Richard Bachman's Illusions
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 1:11 am
Before I start, with regards to the post above mine... I find it somewhat perplexing that the scientific world will generally accept things without overwhelming proof (theories, have you), yet when it comes to religion the standard mysteriously is set a measure higher. But that is not the purpose of this thread.
I was raised Christian (by my mother, my father is not a religious person). I still go to church with my family when I go home, but I find that I just can't accept many of the things that my preacher says. I do believe that there is a God, and I'd like to believe in Christ (at least the idea of Christ, if not the actual person).
I'm a very scientific person (chem major, possibly physics and math instead), but so far I've managed to combine the two fairly well. I love using philosophy to justify my beliefs, since logic appeals to me as well. There may not be much scientific evidence supporting God, but with philosophy you can make a pretty good point.
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 12:01 pm
WOW!! I can't believe seeing all the different beliefs here, it's COOL biggrin
Let me start off with saying, I was raised Christian, and still hold on to those beliefs, mostly because my mom is a Christian unlike any other. She's open minded, even though she may not agree with some things, she will listen to your opinion, and then state hers. We have wonderful conversations about different beliefs.
I stopped going to church when I was 17, I had a VERY bad experience; where I stood accused of being a "slut" and "drug addict" just because I had more guy friends and druggie friends than I did girl friends and Christian friends. I became friends where I was accepted, where I could be myself; and just because I hung out with the guys or the druggies didn't mean I was a "slut" or a "druggie"; but the church wouldn't hear of that *shurgs* So, I was VERY hurt by that, and actually this is the first time I've told anyone outside those who are close me, what had happened.
I am now 28 years young, and currently one my own spiritual journey. I've been reading up on Wicca (would LOVE to talk to someone who is Wiccan, so I can ask all kinds of questions) and reading up on Buddhism (LOVE this belief, although Buddha himself didn't want it to be a religion, it's still a VERY peaceful belief). I have a "gift" (better way to put it), where I can see and sometimes communicated with spirits (ghosts if you will), and have found that by reading up on Wicca and Buddhism...that I'm NOT crazy or demon possessed! I know many would think me crazy for stating that I can sense spirits, but as long as I can remember I have always been able to do that, and as long as I do, I will always believe that there is something more out there; and it's something that you have to personally experience in order to understand.
I also feel that that since I've been reading up on Wicca and Buddhism, they aren't much different than Christian really. To the best of my understanding Wicca believes in one rule "Harm no one", well if you really look into Christianity, they believe the same (if you love your neighbor as yourself, then you're not going to harm anyone either); and same goes for Buddhism, which is why I think I am drawn to all 3 beliefs, and have managed to accept them all. But I also respect other beliefs as well, as I feel that no one should be put down for how they believe.
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:57 pm
I agree with Ramouth re- the coolness! heart Ceyx, what's your take on quantum physics? smile There's a great DVD out called "What the Bleep Do We Know?" That discusses quantum physics as it relates to spirituality and philosophy. Great stuff. A great book is also, the Tao Of Physics, ..by Fritjoff Capra
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:55 am
My parents are technically Methodist, but we stopped going to church when I was ten or so; neither of them are very fervent.
I was agnostic for a while as a teenager, but wasn't really happy with it and was constantly searching for something. Christianity has always had a strong draw for me, but it took me a long time to realize that I didn't have to approach it the way the conservatives in the faith say true believers have to - at which point it suddenly became kind of a "Eureka!" moment.
These days I'm a non-denominational Christian (though I go to a Unitarian church) with a strong interest in Christian mysticism. As far as other faiths go, I kind of figure that a good deed is an honor to the Divine no matter what name it's done in, and that the window dressing is kind of pointless to get up in arms about xd
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 4:31 am
I was born into a Christian family, however my family is not that religious, has never really been to a church...unlike the step side which are Baptist I think who does do church and the like. I always felt weired when we had to do the funeral of my step dad that we had a priest and he was doing blessings among the living. I felt odd through out the whole religion aspect of the funeral. Like I wasn't suppose to be there kind of thing. I took up most of the idea's of an Agnostic when I was very young. I always had this belief of you had the forces of light/good and the forces of darkness/evil...it did not matter which way you pointed their everywhere. I was given the further discussion of directions of forces by my father who is kinda Christian, but also kinda practices Wicca. He has this thing about the Trinity...I don't quite recall how that went again. Religion is a very confusing thing for me at times...so I go with I have my days that I want something physical to give me strength, and other days I don't want a physical object to help me.
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:21 am
Joscerelle Kakra Well... mine isn't very special. I forget what my mom was, but my dad is Methodist. I've gone to the same church all my life, and I wasn't baptized until I was thirteen. Before I was actually baptized, I was having second thoughts. After all, I didn't really listen in Sunday class, when I "prayed", I was really just holding my hands together, and thinking about other stuff, and, well, I was thinking about going into Buddhism. However, Dad convinced me to stay in that class... basically saying it's too late now. I was baptized at 12/13 years. Since then, I've become unofficially agnostic. I can't prove God exist, but I also can't disprove it. In other words, I don't know whether God exists, or doesn't exist, and I'm not going to just go with one or the other to make things more simple. However, I still go to the church I was born in, and attend Sunday school classes. I just don't have the guts to tell anyone what I think just yet, especially my parents. That's exactly how I felt when I was forced to go to Catholic Mass. I felt like I was just trying to get through the motions when I was in church. Stand up, sit down, kneel, pray, our father, stand up, kneel. At the age of 14 I just, quite literally, put my hands on my waist right before church began and I told him that I didn't want to go anymore. I sat outside for that entire hour and my dad never made me go again. There has to be a point in which parents just can't make you worship something you don't feel within yourself, but it's up to you to decide when you're ready to tell them. It might be hard for them. It might be hard for you, but in the end you'll be happier with where you stand with whatever God is up there, if any. Hmm... I'll be thinking about those words when I decide... but still, it'll be really nervewracking (Spelling?)
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:47 pm
I was born into a non-religious family, though when I was young I was a member of a childrens Christian group, simply because I wanted to go. I had friends who went, we did fun things and I liked the general atmosphere there. I think I was about 10 when I stopped going because I'd gotten involved with other groups (mainly acting) and didn't have the time for it anymore. I respect a lot of the values they taught me, though I never considered myself a Christian.
When I was around 13 I began to look into other religions and became a follower of Wicca for a good few years. I took that religion very seriously and a lot of my beliefs are still influenced by it.
Right now I wouldn't say I have a religion, more a set of personal beliefs. I do not believe in a God/Goddess, I believe in a 'universal spirit'. A collective soul that is a part of every living thing and resides within nature. I don't believe it has a gender or form and it doesn't have any power over the world or it's inhabbitants. At most it may offer guidance to those who choose to listen. Though I don't see it as a superior being, very old and wise yes, but not perfect and not powerful. I don't think it or any other being played a part in creating our world, I believe it was born with the earth and shall die with the earth. I don't worship this soul, nor do I have any rituals or practices surrounding it. I simply hold a great respect for it, as I do for every other living thing.
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The Resurrection Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:48 pm
However not having a religion does not necessarily make one an atheist.
Long and dull story short:
1. Roman Catholic: Birth - 17, minimal free thought.
2. Philosophy: 17-18, brief fling with Deism and La Veyan Satanism.
3. Agnostic theism: 18-Present, there's at least one higher power that created the universe (takes Deism clock maker theory), but we'll likely never know more than that.
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:06 pm
I was born into a religious family ( I think Catholic...honestly I never paid attention enough to really find out...) and I attended church every Sunday until I was confirmed. I never really enjoyed church, and I was always forced to go to Sunday school. In all honestly, I think that if I hadn't been forced to church and CCD, I would probably still believe in God. There are too many things that I don't believe in, too many things that I just can't believe. My parents made a deal with me; if I got confirmed, I wouldn't have to go back. I've known for years that I was an Atheist, but now I'm free to live that way. I feel sort of bad that I wasted all that time and the time of others on a religion that I don't believe in, but hey, I feel better now that I don't have to go anymore. :/
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:39 pm
Hello everyone. I was born and baptized as a Lutheran-I am a Lutheran. However, I haven't gone to church in two years, and I almost never pray. I am very loose in my beliefs. I believe that God is out there, and that all other religions worship the same thing as me; they worship He (or She, depending on viewpoint) who changes the world around us. So do I. The only difference between me and the Wiccans down the street (example) is that I call it God, and they call it the god and goddess (I only just started reading about Wicca on Wikipedia, so sorry for my ignorance).
Anyways, I'd like to believe that my tendency is to have my own faith, but respect others right to their own faith. I believe that God made the world with the scientific rules that he set in place (the Big Bang was his work; if the Bang needed particles and all that, where'd they come from?). I believe that God designed the world, and allows it to develop in it's own way. God gave us free will so we might make our own choices; this means that Fate does not exist, although God is able to know what we will do, not because he controls us, but because he can predict our actions based on who we are (I'll use an example I heard; like a chess player planning ahead, only God can do so inifinitely better). I have odd beliefs, but they are just that; my beliefs.
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:18 am
Jewish (British conservative Judaism).
Educated Catholic bcause My parents were scared of another Hitlerian purge which they blamed on him being catholic so thought being in the system might save me!
Got a good education dspite being an infidel in their eyes.
Had a few years of New Age stuff before coming back to Judaism.
Celebrate both Jewish and Christian festivals (I like the presents!).
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:03 am
I've been brought up and raised as a Christian. Though I'm very much influenced by my parents, I still can disagree and agree with many of the teachings, but I've found that I really do agree with what I have been taught in my family, though I have not attended church since I was 7, I still like to pay attention to the things that are being taught to people as a Christian.
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 1:34 pm
I was born into a Christian family but my dad stopped and my mom was the one who got me to go to church. I love being a Christian *but not waking up so early in the morning* I started attending at age 3 so my church has grown on me. I have nothing against any other religions and I love studing about what other people's religions are. Some of the ideas I learn in church I don't use or don't think about but I still love my religion.
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 6:43 pm
Went to Jewish school Am athiest now Give me irrefutable proof that god exists and I will believe...
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