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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 10:57 am
This is not a post meant for burning the Bible or Koran. I would just like to see where you stand on any religious beliefs that any of you have. If you have none state that as well, because I believe atheism is a religion in itself.
I, myself, consider myself a three stage religion process. Yes, a process.
I was first born into Catholicism. I was baptized when I was a baby and had no choice. When I was about seven or eight I was placed in Sunday School and had my first communion. I was never forced to go to church until I was 12 years old. I attended Mass and hated every minute of it until I was 14. I realized that Catholics condemned too many acts that I didn't agree with. For example, I'm pro-choice, I wish homosexuals all the happiness in the world, and I think sex before marriage and birth control are a healthy practice; but those are completely different topics in themselves.
From there, I decided to explore a religion that had always interested me. Wicca. From the age of 15 to about 17 I practiced, quite strictly, the religion. I bought books and browsed the internet for as much information as possible. I participated in all of the holidays, which included fasting, long rituals, and even a little partying. It was a serious thing for me, and I didn't practice it lightly. No, the religion isn't evil, and no Wiccans do not worship the devil. Wiccans respect nature immensity, and to almost mirror Christianity the year is a cycle of the life of a very important person in the religion. Where Christians have Jesus, Wiccans have the Goddess.
I took a break from the religion once I left high school, and reflected upon myself to understand where I stood then on religion. This is what I call my third stage. I understand and respect the Wiccan religion. The same is true for Catholicism. I respect the fact that it's been around for so long, and sticks to its traditions. I ended up in a world of confusion, so now I call myself Agnostic, and have decided to leave the religion choice up for a wiser, older self.
So, no I leave this to you all. Where do you stand, if anywhere at all? And how did you get there?
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:30 pm
Where do I stand and how did I come here, eh? Well . . . .
I was born into a Jewish family, however, my family is Reform so it's not awfully strict. We went to the temple on the high holy days and all that, but never weekly prayers. I recall going to Sunday school, but I don't remember much about it. I even had a Bar Mitzvah. Good times.
I honestly can't remember much about what I thought about it at the time. It was just something I did, I think. There were a couple of rabbis at the temple I liked to listen to and one canter who was amazing, but . . . . Probably sometime around junior high or high school I decided that the religion just didn't make much sense to me, or any religion, really. That is, a God who made the Universe and watches over it.
I eventually decided that there must have been some god, or power, or force, or something, that set the Universe into motion (such as preparing the Big Bang or whatever came before that) but has no role in the Universe beyond that and may even have ceased to exist, for all we know. After looking some stuff up, apparently that's pretty close to deism, so I guess I'm a deist.
I'm also Jewish, culturally at any rate. It took me a few years to realize it, but that's one part of my identity I cannot part with, even if I try. Not that I mind. It's given me a nice perspective on the rest of society and history, I think. Oh, and Jewish food is the best. No one try to argue otherwise.
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:01 pm
As said in the Concept of Religion and God, right now I am Agonistic. Also considered Athiest (Which I see a differance because I believe theres something up there, I just prefer Science over Religion).
I was born, and "blessed" as a christian child and went to church till I was 5 or 6. After that we stopped going, for what reason I can't remember for that was almost 11 years ago.
Now, I'm into science and leaning towards Buddism over Christianity, seeing as it seems to be a much more peaceful 'religion' and the fact you can meditate on your own time. Call me what you want, but right now I'm an Agonistic girl with Scientific ways and an otaku mind.
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:25 pm
Chaotic Souls As said in the Concept of Religion and God, right now I am Agonistic. Also considered Athiest (Which I see a differance because I believe theres something up there, I just prefer Science over Religion).
I was born, and "blessed" as a christian child and went to church till I was 5 or 6. After that we stopped going, for what reason I can't remember for that was almost 11 years ago.
Now, I'm into science and leaning towards Buddism over Christianity, seeing as it seems to be a much more peaceful 'religion' and the fact you can meditate on your own time. Call me what you want, but right now I'm an Agonistic girl with Scientific ways and an otaku mind. "Otaku" means "fan" doesn't it? Anyway, you pretty much described me.. eek although, I am Buddhist/agnostic straight up. Buddhism can pretty much blend in with any faith (at least Zen or Chan Buddhism can), so you could be a Christian Buddhist, really... and the only peopel that would be having a cow over it would be the Christian fundamentalists. Also, if you talked to Christian mystics or monks (the people who meditate daily) you will find that if you see them talking with Buddhist Monks you will note a lot of agreement. On the other hand, if you see the Christian priests talking with the Buddhist priests you will note a lot of heated arguments. It's true. I do not make this up, rofl
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:28 pm
Yeah, Otaku to me manly means "anime fan" with my obession of Yaoi... (though ive found I like characters with the same voice actor 8D)
Priests seem to be very....strict though I think monks have a friendlyer aura about them. Even in games...though Ragnarok would not be a good example. I once said something to my dad when we were discussing religion on the way to school, please don't yell at me for it, I found it amusing.
"Religion is like pokemon...ya gotta catch em all."
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:42 pm
Chaotic Souls "Religion is like pokemon...ya gotta catch em all." rofl I couldn't agree more! I'm taking a Japanese course. btw, and in one of the lessons they advised us never to use "otaku" in an anime context. You can say that you are a baseball otaku, a card game otaku, or anything esle .. but if you say that you are an anime otaku it will turn people off. There was once a man in Tokyo that was a serial killer. When they found his apartment they found that there were anime and hentai films everywhere and the news described him to the public as "an anime otaku" After that incident people never used otaku and anime together Anyway, that is waaay OT but I thought you might have been interested in that trivia.
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:45 pm
Well that was intresting! I guess I will just consider myself an anime fan. Besides Buddism I've also read stuff on Norse Mythology, which to me has a really intresting view on how the earth was created
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:33 pm
I favor a Hermetic view of creation, but my beliefs themselves come from an eclectic mix of several Eastern and mystery traditions. Complicated stuff, even for me sometimes. I can elaborate if anyone wants me to.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 7:11 am
Chaotic Souls Priests seem to be very....strict though I think monks have a friendlyer aura about them. Just curious if this is from actual experience (regarding the monks). I'm not a scholar of buddhism, but I have studied it a little and those buddhist monks looked pretty darn strict. I recall reading that in some zen buddhist meditation sessions, the head monks whack their students with "sticks of compassion" if the students start to fall asleep while meditating for many hours. Qualifying: I haven't met monks, either, I'm just saying from what I've read that they don't seem any less strict or more friendly than the average priest (or what I've heard of priests . . .).
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:43 am
I was born into a non-religious family.
About five or so years ago, I got into LaVeyan Satanism. No, it is not the worshiping of the Devil. No, we do not sacrifice goats nor do we rape children. Satanism is the belief that you are your god and you are satan. Besically, worship yourself. "Now is our Heaven" "No redeemer liveth."
It is the indulgence of the 7 deadly sins.
I didn't mean to preach...but I always feel the need to explain. My grandmother's lack of knowledge of satanism and not wanting to learn got me kicked out of my home.
Before I was a satanist, I tried many other religions...And now I have a great combination of beliefs added to satanism.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:53 am
My dad was raised Amish. So...growing up with him was really strict in a lot of ways. I was raised a Christian, and we attended church every week. I can never remember going to Sunday School and feeling like I belonged. I never remember sitting there in church and feeling like it was the right place for me to be. It seemed like, from the very beginning, I knew Christianity wasn't for me.
I'll still go to church if someone asks me to, more for the experience than because I feel I might grow into the faith. I enjoy experiencing different types of worship. I've been to Jehovah's Witness services, Jewish services, Catholic services...they're all beautiful and creepy in their own ways. Organized religion simply isn't my forte.
Religion-wise, I'm not really anything. People might label me a pagan, but that's mostly because I wear a pentacle. I just like it; a dear friend bought it for me, and it serves to remind me that there are people out there who care about me.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:54 pm
Well... mine isn't very special. I forget what my mom was, but my dad is Methodist. I've gone to the same church all my life, and I wasn't baptized until I was thirteen. Before I was actually baptized, I was having second thoughts. After all, I didn't really listen in Sunday class, when I "prayed", I was really just holding my hands together, and thinking about other stuff, and, well, I was thinking about going into Buddhism. However, Dad convinced me to stay in that class... basically saying it's too late now. I was baptized at 12/13 years.
Since then, I've become unofficially agnostic. I can't prove God exist, but I also can't disprove it. In other words, I don't know whether God exists, or doesn't exist, and I'm not going to just go with one or the other to make things more simple. However, I still go to the church I was born in, and attend Sunday school classes. I just don't have the guts to tell anyone what I think just yet, especially my parents.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:13 pm
starknut My dad was raised Amish. So...growing up with him was really strict in a lot of ways. I was raised a Christian, and we attended church every week. I can never remember going to Sunday School and feeling like I belonged. I never remember sitting there in church and feeling like it was the right place for me to be. It seemed like, from the very beginning, I knew Christianity wasn't for me. I'll still go to church if someone asks me to, more for the experience than because I feel I might grow into the faith. I enjoy experiencing different types of worship. I've been to Jehovah's Witness services, Jewish services, Catholic services...they're all beautiful and creepy in their own ways. Organized religion simply isn't my forte. Religion-wise, I'm not really anything. People might label me a pagan, but that's mostly because I wear a pentacle. I just like it; a dear friend bought it for me, and it serves to remind me that there are people out there who care about me. I just needed to add in that just because you wear the pentacle doesn't mean that you are pagan, and you should probably set people straight if they draw that conclusion. Being pagan is a large responsibility and a lot of work. I respect anyone who takes upon themselves a religion that is considered pagan. Oh, and just for fun, I thought I would add in this. My friends call my religious stance Cawiccan (pronounced like the tax software, Quiken). A little bit of Catholic, a little bit of Wiccan, a whole lot of taxes. Kakra Well... mine isn't very special. I forget what my mom was, but my dad is Methodist. I've gone to the same church all my life, and I wasn't baptized until I was thirteen. Before I was actually baptized, I was having second thoughts. After all, I didn't really listen in Sunday class, when I "prayed", I was really just holding my hands together, and thinking about other stuff, and, well, I was thinking about going into Buddhism. However, Dad convinced me to stay in that class... basically saying it's too late now. I was baptized at 12/13 years. Since then, I've become unofficially agnostic. I can't prove God exist, but I also can't disprove it. In other words, I don't know whether God exists, or doesn't exist, and I'm not going to just go with one or the other to make things more simple. However, I still go to the church I was born in, and attend Sunday school classes. I just don't have the guts to tell anyone what I think just yet, especially my parents. That's exactly how I felt when I was forced to go to Catholic Mass. I felt like I was just trying to get through the motions when I was in church. Stand up, sit down, kneel, pray, our father, stand up, kneel. At the age of 14 I just, quite literally, put my hands on my waist right before church began and I told him that I didn't want to go anymore. I sat outside for that entire hour and my dad never made me go again. There has to be a point in which parents just can't make you worship something you don't feel within yourself, but it's up to you to decide when you're ready to tell them. It might be hard for them. It might be hard for you, but in the end you'll be happier with where you stand with whatever God is up there, if any.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:45 pm
Mr--K Chaotic Souls Priests seem to be very....strict though I think monks have a friendlyer aura about them. Just curious if this is from actual experience (regarding the monks). I'm not a scholar of buddhism, but I have studied it a little and those buddhist monks looked pretty darn strict. I recall reading that in some zen buddhist meditation sessions, the head monks whack their students with "sticks of compassion" if the students start to fall asleep while meditating for many hours. Qualifying: I haven't met monks, either, I'm just saying from what I've read that they don't seem any less strict or more friendly than the average priest (or what I've heard of priests . . .). Yeah, they can be strict. Although the "sticks" are traditional within Zen. They may not be within other cultures. Also, the stick has also been used as a tool to aid progression. In some Zen sects (Soto) the philosophy is on "sudden" breakthroughs. The aspirants work and work until finally the delusion drops like a rubber band might snap after being stretched too thin. I have forgotten the name of the one carrying the stick (I can look it up, though if you have to know smile ) but they have an important job .. they can often sense if someone is on the verge, but not quite making it, of a break through. *whack!* Oh! With the whack people have sometimes gained enlightenment this way! On the friendliness point. Do remember that monks are people like any other. They have temperaments and personality. Some of the nastiest, pessimistic, people are enlightened because it's their temperament to have a dark view of life. Also, not all monks have the same level of personal achievement. As you might guess, there are many that are just there to fill time or to escape from life's demands and aren;t really serious in what they do. EDIT: although I do think that on the whole they are friendlier.. simply because they meditate so much and they can let go of all that anger. sadness, or other negative emotion.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:50 pm
My mother whom I lived with from birth through about 12 did not endorse any religious values. I then went to live with my grandmother who was strictly raised as a Roman Catholic but is now a Christian. My great-aunt is Mormon (or Latter-Day Saint if you prefer). Recently, I studied Buddhism, Hinduism and Sikhism and find that the Sikhist idea of salvation without sacrifice is the simplest of the three. However, I am atheist through and through as I have not been given legitimate proof of the existence of any diety.
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