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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:23 pm
i love the book by vladimir narbokov, i've seen the stanley kubrick version of it and alhough it was fabulously done i do wish they could have cast someone that looked the part better. however the actress had lolita down to a science.
yes the story is based around ***** but i would begin to argue that this is not some pornography glorifying ***** at all. hubert humbert is a disturbed man for many reasons, least of all for his relationship with dolores hayes. you can see clearly in the end after he shoots clare quilty and the rest of teh chapter spirals out into complete lunacy and madness. lolita herself was no angel she knew how to work the older gents and the younger boys and she did maybe because she could (like in Anne Rice's "Belinda") or maybe because that was her taste. for whatever the reason i would argue that the story of "lolita" speaks more for how much we underestimate our children "our children are not as innocent as we believe them to be" as qouted by a friend on the same subject.
as far as my stance on *****, as a student in early education i am completely and utterly against anything that takes away a child's right to a happy healthy childhood. I also do not believe that age is a factor in healthy relationships. i myself have no problem dating older gentleman and on occasion prefer it. i've found that men (25+)rarely are more or less mature then boys my own age...(although this could be the scene i'm in too). i am well over the age of consent so this does not make any case for statatory rape being a fine idea. i am also a humanist, i believe that whatever makes you happy you should do as long as it is not impuning on another's happiness. so my stance on relationships between teenage girls and older men would more be based on the context of the situation and the maturity of the individuals (both of them). one can hardly refute the history of such relationships. in asia girls as young as eight were shipped off to their respected husbands house to grow up as a child bride. in europe women of 16+ were betrothed to their husbands who were far older then them.
so in essence vladimir narbokov excellent, child molestation and ***** over the board bad idea, lolitas awesome!, relationships between younger and older people decide for yourself.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:18 pm
Machika Balfaltin Seraphynthetic Machika Balfaltin People often say that there is no link between the novel and Lolita :s But how can there not be a link? Some of the ways he decribes nymphets are almost exactly the Lolita fashion ideal. I'm sure the people who have read the book noticed this.Could you explain? I've never read the book, much less seen it at libraries or bookstores near where I live (this could be due to the large numbers of ***** living in the area). Sorry. What I meant was, he describes the young girls who he's attracted to as nymphets - not all of them, but some of them, who are the most like his ideal. He says nymphets are basically young-looking (obviously) and thin, with kind of blank-looking eyes and long eyelashes, or something like that. I'm sure there was more and I didn't even articulate that well, but it's all I can remember.There could also be links to the fashion as well. I can't recall where exactly, but I know that at one point in the book Humbert is out shooping for clothing for Lolita, and he mentions purchasing blouses with puffy sleeves, lots of lacey things, poofy skirts, and pinafores. However some Lolita beauty ideals are opposite of those presented in Nabokov's novel. For example, when Lolita is away at camp, Humbert is drroling over the fact that Lolita is growing warmer, browner, and more cheery each day. This contradicts the common ideal of pallor that many lighter-skinned lolis aspire to.
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:40 pm
I read it. I thought it was very well written. His other books are too. I have never seen the movie.
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:48 pm
I really want to get around to reading that book. All the libraries are on strike where I am so that really stinks. As well as all the rec centres and everything so I'll have to wait awhile until I can read it but I've been surfing the internet and reading reviews and stuff about it and it seems pretty good.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:51 am
Actually I plan to buy the book sometime this week and next to make a more precise idea on what the author wrote on the character lolita.
I suppose I can understand what you mean about older men and young girls.
However, thinking of the time and place when this book was written... (i might be wrong ^^lll) but isnt it true that many older men married or had affiars with younger (very young) women.
I mean I have read about royal families marrying eachother at such a young age. Also, back then you could be 15 and already ready for children O.o if you know what i mean.
I agree, that in todays standards, its not moral for an older man to be involved with a younger woman (as in a child or such). Its actually quite gross, and honestly, if you(for example), a young girl, gets involved with a very old man (as in older by a lot), imagine when hes in his 60s 70s and youre still in your 30s and such. I dunno... i just dont think it looks right.
Out of all the decent (supposively decent) men in the world, one has to pick the wost one or oldest or youngest one.
^^lll oh no im ranting again XP
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:41 pm
blackrose11 Actually I plan to buy the book sometime this week and next to make a more precise idea on what the author wrote on the character lolita. I suppose I can understand what you mean about older men and young girls. However, thinking of the time and place when this book was written... (i might be wrong ^^lll) but isnt it true that many older men married or had affiars with younger (very young) women. I mean I have read about royal families marrying eachother at such a young age. Also, back then you could be 15 and already ready for children O.o if you know what i mean. I agree, that in todays standards, its not moral for an older man to be involved with a younger woman (as in a child or such). Its actually quite gross, and honestly, if you(for example), a young girl, gets involved with a very old man (as in older by a lot), imagine when hes in his 60s 70s and youre still in your 30s and such. I dunno... i just dont think it looks right. Out of all the decent (supposively decent) men in the world, one has to pick the wost one or oldest or youngest one. ^^lll oh no im ranting again XP -C'est la lune qui conduit la danse...-
Nah, the book took place in the 40's-50's so around those times it was already pretty much taboo for an older man to go and have sexual relations with a teenager.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:30 pm
I've found all of his writing to be very excellent. Great imagery and essentially a master of his art form. Although, if everyone isn't already immensely acute to the fact, it has hardly or no correlation to the fashion Lolita. and as far as the child molestation aspect of it, has anyone ever heard of SATIRE?
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