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 Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:16 pm
i really think its pointless to debate extremes b/c God is in control even of extreme thing so if he says no its no u dont say "If..." if he wants to save the wife or baby he will but no matter what his will be done and you have to trust he has his reasons.
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:56 pm
Quote: i really think its pointless to debate extremes b/c God is in control even of extreme thing so if he says no its no u dont say "If..." if he wants to save the wife or baby he will but no matter what his will be done and you have to trust he has his reasons. It's not pointless to debate extremes. Part of the abortion debate is what will be done in cases of rape or when the mother's life is in danger. These are not ridiculous scenarios. At any rate, I'm a firm believer in "God helps those who help themselves."
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:48 pm
For some reason this makes me think of the thing I was watching on the Discovery Health Channel tonight about vanishing twin syndrome. They actually removed a fetus from his twin's abdomen. It was the size of a plum, and you could see his fingers and toes, but it didn't have a head or a heart. It was just so weird to think that that could have been a baby, but it really never could have been a baby.
I don't know why this made me think of that. confused
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:15 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly For some reason this makes me think of the thing I was watching on the Discovery Health Channel tonight about vanishing twin syndrome. They actually removed a fetus from his twin's abdomen. It was the size of a plum, and you could see his fingers and toes, but it didn't have a head or a heart. It was just so weird to think that that could have been a baby, but it really never could have been a baby.
I don't know why this made me think of that. confused We would have to know what God considers a living thing, and when the soul is in the body. sweatdrop The jellyfish needs no heart, lungs, blood, or brain, but it lives. I would take that as a soul is moving the body. To me it shows that ultimately God is the preserver of life, not a brain.
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:29 pm
Oh, absolutely, but in the case of MTS, the twin that gets absorbed becomes a parasite. Once it's removed from the healthy twin, it dies. It's like removing an organ from your body; it's only alive when it's attached to your body.
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:53 pm
Something that is scientifically living is something that respirates, reproduces, and moves I believe.
Of course a fetus doesn't reproduce, or respirate (for some number of weeks at least) but it's a developmental stage of a human being which does do all of those things.
A larva doesn't reproduce, but that doesn't mean that it's not alive. It's a developmental stage of an insect.
Life is a complicated thing. And death as well. People think of death as when the heart stops, but the heart is just an organ that pumps blood to the other organs. The lungs as well, they are simply the organ that takes in oxygen. The oxygen goes into the lungs, enriches the blood, and sends it throughout the body. The brain cannot survive without the blood being pumped to it, just like you can't survive holding your breath. It seems all the other organs function to keep the brain alive. In fact, when someone is beheaded their brain survives for about ten seconds. For ten seconds, with your head detached from your body.
I just think it's all amazing.
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:02 pm
Captain_Theoretical Something that is scientifically living is something that respirates, reproduces, and moves I believe. Of course a fetus doesn't reproduce, or respirate (for some number of weeks at least) but it's a developmental stage of a human being which does do all of those things. A larva doesn't reproduce, but that doesn't mean that it's not alive. It's a developmental stage of an insect. Life is a complicated thing. And death as well. People think of death as when the heart stops, but the heart is just an organ that pumps blood to the other organs. The lungs as well, they are simply the organ that takes in oxygen. The oxygen goes into the lungs, enriches the blood, and sends it throughout the body. The brain cannot survive without the blood being pumped to it, just like you can't survive holding your breath. It seems all the other organs function to keep the brain alive. In fact, when someone is beheaded their brain survives for about ten seconds. For ten seconds, with your head detached from your body. I just think it's all amazing. It really is all amazing. When you look at nature it shows how creative and intellegent God is. biggrin
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:46 pm
Captain_Theoretical Something that is scientifically living is something that respirates, reproduces, and moves I believe. Of course a fetus doesn't reproduce, or respirate (for some number of weeks at least) but it's a developmental stage of a human being which does do all of those things. A larva doesn't reproduce, but that doesn't mean that it's not alive. It's a developmental stage of an insect. Life is a complicated thing. And death as well. People think of death as when the heart stops, but the heart is just an organ that pumps blood to the other organs. The lungs as well, they are simply the organ that takes in oxygen. The oxygen goes into the lungs, enriches the blood, and sends it throughout the body. The brain cannot survive without the blood being pumped to it, just like you can't survive holding your breath. It seems all the other organs function to keep the brain alive. In fact, when someone is beheaded their brain survives for about ten seconds. For ten seconds, with your head detached from your body. I just think it's all amazing.
Wow. Run-on sentence much?? confused
Just like God gives us His life and His Spirit and we in turn worship Him, giving Him our lives and our talents and our troubles and our joys, so that He can continue to give us life (He will whether we want it or not), and with that new life He gives us, we turn around and praise Him. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:27 am
hehe yeah i like that point mrgreen
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:38 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Dr. Kool So, second, I saw a bumper sticker yesterday that said "You Can't Be Pro-Life and Pro-War." I thought that was really cool. How can oppose the killing of a few couple-celled organisms and support the killing and take-over of a whole country of people. Yep, supporting the deposing of ruthless dictators and terrorists just can't happen when you value innocent human life. rolleyes Yes, because everyone knows that innocents never die in wars. rolleyes Personally, I'm not touching abortion. As a teenage male with an unusually low sex-drive who has decided not to have unprotected sex until he can afford it, I don't really think it concerns me too much.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:43 pm
Captain_Theoretical And war is just stupid. People are murdered and tortured for nothing, because there really is no such thing as war for peace. Look at the Iraqi death toll, are all of those people ruthless dictators and terrorists? As a friend of mine once put it,"Warring for peace is like ******* for virginity." xd That's one of my favorite quotes, and I know literally hundreds of them. Language, Lethkar.
~Cometh the Inquisitor
Crew Member of Unashamed
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:25 pm
A Different Light You know, Captain, you have an uncanny way of saying what I'm thinking, but putting it into well-written words. About the spirit and whne it enters the body, I think it's probably around three or so for most people. I can only remember back to when I was two or three, and that's only about two memories. Since I can only remember that far back, that's probably when I got a spirit. As far when you can survive without your mother, I couldn't really live on my own yet (I'm 13) but I can live... So you'd have to define when you get your spirit. Wow, I didn't know you were thirteen. You sound like you're older, like 16 or something. So, that would place you as fourteen now.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:20 pm
GuardianAngel44 A Different Light You know, Captain, you have an uncanny way of saying what I'm thinking, but putting it into well-written words. About the spirit and whne it enters the body, I think it's probably around three or so for most people. I can only remember back to when I was two or three, and that's only about two memories. Since I can only remember that far back, that's probably when I got a spirit. As far when you can survive without your mother, I couldn't really live on my own yet (I'm 13) but I can live... So you'd have to define when you get your spirit. Wow, I didn't know you were thirteen. You sound like you're older, like 16 or something. So, that would place you as fourteen now. Yup! 14 now. People think I'm older pretty often. I'm special that way xd
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:25 pm
Lethkhar Yes, because everyone knows that innocents never die in wars. rolleyes  yay, someone is paying attention to me! anyways, my point was the being against murder is just that. Whether it's happening in a womb or in Iraq, murder is wrong and needs to be stopped. When that murder is on a large scale (think dictatorships), than war is sometimes necessary to stop it.
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:59 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar Yes, because everyone knows that innocents never die in wars. rolleyes yay, someone is paying attention to me! anyways, my point was the being against murder is just that. Whether it's happening in a womb or in Iraq, murder is wrong and needs to be stopped. When that murder is on a large scale (think dictatorships), than war is sometimes necessary to stop it. People die in wars, too. That's the whole point of war; It's murder on a large scale. I love Futurama, by the way. xd
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