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Thanks a lot stare .

So anyways, I guess I can't use the Bible to defend myself against you.
Well I believe abortion is wrong. Life is there, in my opinion, as soon as it is concieved it is life. If it dies naturally then well.....then it dies.

Okay, scientists can bring people back from clinical death, though not long after death. That is when your heart and brain stops. Many people have come out of clinical death after turning cold and all your readings flatline, without the aid of scientists. Some up to an hour after clinical death. So what is true death? Death is when your soul leaves your body.

So what is life? When your soul enters your body. So to find out if abortion is wrong you have to find out when true life is, that is when your soul is in your body.(fat chance figuring that out) Remeber the Bible says the body without the soul is dead.

That is my opinion anyways.

Look it's not an opinion, abortion is killing lives and taking away the chance for that baby to grow up and maybe even make a difference in someone else's life. Face it, i don't care if u think it's an opinion, a fact is a fact.

I only think that abortion should be done in the case of rape or incest, or if the mother's life is in danger. Then again, I'm a little tired of people using abortion as birth control. THAT makes me angry. A new life is growing, but will never have the chance to make something of that life. Human life, to me, is sacred, even if it's just a few cells when you first look at it. Killing anything that will grow into a baby, into another human being, is wrong to me. That doesn't mean I'm going to the nearest abortion clinic and damning the murderers to hell. My views differ from theirs, and pro-choice and pro-life will never quite see eye-to-eye. In fact, there's a big to-do going on in my state (South Dakota) over this very issue. *sigh*


My personal idea on it: Make abortion clinics into places you go when referred by a doctor. For one, if it's not readily available as a walk-in, more people might have safer sex. For another, you'll need a legitimate reason to get rid of a child. Course, that would probably be protested too.

Do u know that ppl don't go to a pregnant woman and ask "How's ur fetus doing?" they ask her "How's ur baby doing?" or "did u feel the baby kick yet?", ppl use "fetus" when the baby is unwanted or when talking about abortion but when it's wanted it's called a baby, i wonder why ..... *wonders*

We wont remeber, but that doesn't mean it does not think. The highest proof I find that a body does not live unless a spirit is in it is the jellyfish. With no brain, heart, blood, bones, or lungs, and yet it eats and moves. That shows living things need a soul to really live. The baby would not find a new "host" it would be dead. It would most likely be in Heaven. A soul must be there to live. When the soul is part of the flesh is a mystery to me.

You don't know if God wanted all babies to be born. Who knows the mind of God? God himself. Everything happens for a reason and everything that happens is under control. That does not mean everything is right because we as humans have free will, including going against God's will.

Look freako, nothing is fact unless it can be proven with the scientific method. You say that killing a baby is taking away a chance for it to grow up, however, not having a baby in the first place not allowing it grow up. Same deal, dude. Just because I support the idea of abortion, I'm not a baby-murdering sociopath. I don't think that its good, I just think that people should have the option. Oh, and face it, just because an old book tells you its wrong doesn't mean that its so. Fact is fact.

As far as Catian Theoretical and ryuu's ideas go, I agree. ryuu especially, I really should have said that in first place. You need a good reason to get rid of the baby.
Also, abortion is one of those things that is your personal choice and shouldn't be controlled by other people. Its your baby that's not going to be there, not theirs'. Its your joy that you're missing when you get rid of the chance to have a child of your own. Its not their baby to miss out on.

Indeed, abortion is killing a fetus, and taking away it's chance to grow up.

Yes, that is fact. But it's your opinion that abortion should be made illegal.



I agree that you should need a legitimate reason, but I think the choice should be available to everyone.

I hate the idea of someone getting an abortion on a whim, but you just can't restrict the people who can get abortions because it would make it harder for people who do have legitimate reasons and anyone can walk into an abortion clinic and say they were raped so I don't see this as a very good idea.



If you're pro-war or pro-death penalty, you're not pro-life you're pro-innocent life.

I'm pro-choice and I'm anti-war, and I most certainly don't support the death penalty.

I'm pro-choice because I don't think the state has a right to control women's uteruses (uteri? I'm sorry I fail at spelling right now). I'm against the death penalty because I don't think the state has the right to decide who lives and who dies. And war is just stupid. People are murdered and tortured for nothing, because there really is no such thing as war for peace. Look at the Iraqi death toll, are all of those people ruthless dictators and terrorists?



Because when it's wanted it's going to become a baby, and fetus is the correct scientific term.

The phrase 'unborn child' is an oxymoron, really. Either it's a child or it hasn't been born yet.



So you think animals have souls? Me too. -shakes hand-

I can't imagine why a fetus would be sent to hell.

And it's a scientific fact that we don't think during the early part of the pregnancy, there is no gray matter and therefore the fetus cannot acheive cognition until later.

Just an idea I came up with about thirty seconds ago, maybe the soul enters the body when it comes to the point of viability when it can survive without the mother, when it becomes seperate from her.

More likely is at the moment of conception, when the DNA plans are laid out.

But it depends on what you believe a soul is. Is it the energy, the life force within us? Or is it like our DNA, what makes us--well--us? Or is it our mind (not brain, mind)?

I suppose that would influence when you thought the soul enters the body, but if you said it was like a combination then we'd be back at square one.



I resent that, not everyone who recieves the death penalty is guilty and everyone who recieves the death penalty is capable of concious thought.