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 Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:03 pm
Ophiuchus I hate him for screwing up the plans. If he were a loyal soldier, Gundam would have been destroyed, the Feds wouldn't have been a problem, and the Zaku II would have been the top of the line machine. The whole point of him joining Zeon was to not be a loyal soldier. He needed to make a names for himself, get close to the Zabis, and eliminate them. Why would he be loyal to the people we wanted dead?
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:27 pm
DarthAlucard Ophiuchus I hate him for screwing up the plans. If he were a loyal soldier, Gundam would have been destroyed, the Feds wouldn't have been a problem, and the Zaku II would have been the top of the line machine. The whole point of him joining Zeon was to not be a loyal soldier. He needed to make a names for himself, get close to the Zabis, and eliminate them. Why would he be loyal to the people we wanted dead? If I were there, things'd go differently. He can't beat a Gundam, what chance does he have against my Zaku II? I honestly hate Char to a whole new level biggrin
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:13 am
Ophiuchus DarthAlucard Ophiuchus I hate him for screwing up the plans. If he were a loyal soldier, Gundam would have been destroyed, the Feds wouldn't have been a problem, and the Zaku II would have been the top of the line machine. The whole point of him joining Zeon was to not be a loyal soldier. He needed to make a names for himself, get close to the Zabis, and eliminate them. Why would he be loyal to the people we wanted dead? If I were there, things'd go differently. He can't beat a Gundam, what chance does he have against my Zaku II? I honestly hate Char to a whole new level biggrin He can't beat a Gundam because it would be in his best interest to let it live. Of course, I think he actually started trying when he got his Gelgoog. But by then, it was too late, and Amuro had surpassed him in ability.
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:48 pm
DarthAlucard He can't beat a Gundam because it would be in his best interest to let it live. Of course, I think he actually started trying when he got his Gelgoog. But by then, it was too late, and Amuro had surpassed him in ability. I agree with you. Char didn't start out with the intent to beat the Federation. He was just out for Revenge. Then Amuro grew to be his rival and he just wanted to stop him and catch the White Base just for himself. By then Amuro had started to perfect his Newtype abilities and Char hadn't realized his quite yet. Then he was a bit behind and Amuro was fighting to protect his friends as much as himself, which I think gave him an edge over Char.
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:52 am
Yact Douga, coolest NT MS
Gira Douga, coolest MS
at least on the Zeon Side
=P
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:07 pm
Barsona Yact Douga, coolest NT MS Gira Douga, coolest MS at least on the Zeon Side =P The Yact Douga is really cool.
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:27 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:46 am
Does anyone have a clue how the Japanese pronounciation of "Gion" (or Jion) became the American pronounciation of "Zeon"?
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:35 pm
Barsona Does anyone have a clue how the Japanese pronounciation of "Gion" (or Jion) became the American pronounciation of "Zeon"? I believe it became truly widespread back in 1990, when Frederik L. Schodt translated the first Mobile Suit Gundam novel, Awakening, into English. He had this to say about it in his "A Word From The Translator" in the 2004 edition of the novel trilogy: Frederik L. Schodt "In both Japan and the United States... Gundam spellings were in considerable disarray. Thus, the rebel nation pronounced Jion in Japanese was variously spelled in English-language articles or advertisements as 'Zion,' 'Jion,' 'Xeon,' and so forth. I therefore went back to the original Japanese and tried to come up with spellings which I felt (1) sounded like the original and reflected the author's intent, (2) enhanced rather than detracted from the mood of the story, and (3) would be acceptable to American readers unfamiliar with the animation. I thus spelled 'Jion' as 'Zeon,' because 'Z' has strong overtones (think of all the 'z's used in US muscle car names). 'Zion' was unacceptable because some readers might think Mr. Tomino is making a religious statement, when he is not" ( Mobile Suit Gundam: Awakening, Escalation, and Confrontation; page 472, 2004 ed. by Stone Bridge Press). When the animation was released in North America, Bandai apparently decided to go with Schodt's translation.
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:19 am
While I may love the stylistics of Zeon - from the MS right down to the uniforms - I can't say I agree much with Ghiren's... want from his people.
Much less the gassing of colonies and so on.
Admittedly, I admire Ghiren because of what he was able to do fir the people of Zeon - he was able to basically turn them into his own cult, and that carried on for at least 15 years (maybe more, considering the Mars Zeons).
Besides, the Federation wasn't squeaky-clean in the original Gundam... but they were certainly better than the Zeon. It wasn't till Zeta that pretty much every government turned ugly and we say everyone's true faces.
I still love Zeon - but if I was given a chance during the One Year War to join either the Federation or Zeon... I'd join Zeon, then defect to the Federation with my shiny new Gouf. biggrin
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:27 am
dExtrosien DarthAlucard He can't beat a Gundam because it would be in his best interest to let it live. Of course, I think he actually started trying when he got his Gelgoog. But by then, it was too late, and Amuro had surpassed him in ability. I agree with you. Char didn't start out with the intent to beat the Federation. He was just out for Revenge. Then Amuro grew to be his rival and he just wanted to stop him and catch the White Base just for himself. By then Amuro had started to perfect his Newtype abilities and Char hadn't realized his quite yet. Then he was a bit behind and Amuro was fighting to protect his friends as much as himself, which I think gave him an edge over Char. Ironic note, here. ...Somewhere in my room, in this mess, I have something translated by Mark Simmons - the original plan for the 52-episode layout of the original Gundam series. In it, it's actually explained as to why Char didn't kill off the Zabis immediately - and why he let Amuro live as well. Ah! Found it! Here's what Mark Simmons summarized for episode 48... We are treated to an explanation of why Char hasn't whacked Giren yet. Sure, he's sworn an oath to avenge his father, he's already murdered his best friend towards this goal, and now all that stands between him and vengeance is to ice the freak who's standing right in front of him, but...
...but now he also has a major hate on for Amuro and the Gundam. If he nails Giren, who's going to build him a mobile suit tough enough to take out the Gundam? If he singlehandedly ends the war and brings peace to the war-weary human race, when's he gonna get a chance for a showdown with Amuro? Sorry, dad, one quest for vengeance at a time. And, later in episode 49, just to add insult to injury... [Random Newtype Flunky] has figured out Char's secret identity. He tells Giren, who quite reasonably reckons that if Char were really going to ice him, he would have done so by now.And episode 51 pretty much wraps up Char's mistake... Char, who is really messed up at this point, limps back to Giren's headquarters at A Bao A Qu. Giren pins a medal on his chest and gives him a hefty promotion for helping him attain ultimate victory. Char is horrified to realize that, distracted by his vendetta against Amuro, he's not only failed to complete his original mission but he has in fact helped his father's murderer become supreme ruler of the human race. Ooops. Finally, during the summary, Mark ties it all together... Similarly, the long version offers a revealing explanation of why Char doesn't just kill all the Zabis when he has the chance. It's not that he's forgotten his quest for revenge, it's just that he's started another one and he wants to handle them in the proper order. This may help explain his weird behavior in later Gundam stories. In Char's Counterattack, Char's not pursuing a war against the Federation just so that he can have a duel with Amuro - rather, he has the chance to kill two birds with one stone (so to speak). I guess he figures that, by timing everything just right, he can accomplish both goals. If he dueled Amuro *before* it was too late to stop the descent of Axis, he might screw up again like he did in the One Year War... Just something rather cool I found a while ago that just may help with that question... sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:59 pm
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:38 am
uhh.ok i know i'm just jumping in and all but i have something to say. Me and my friedns discuss the Zeon all the time. We always say how if it were to really happen we would join the Zeon. The way we see it the arguments of Feddy-Zeon are a lot like those of Britian and America when the whole Revolutionary war started. We didn't believe they could effectively rule from a whole different country, so we wentto war and broke off. The way I see it is the Zeon are doing the same thing. They want to brake away cuz they don't think the Earth can correctly rule and govern the colonies. There is always more to the story but this s the way I see it.
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:02 pm
ph34r3d_1 uhh.ok i know i'm just jumping in and all but i have something to say. Me and my friedns discuss the Zeon all the time. We always say how if it were to really happen we would join the Zeon. The way we see it the arguments of Feddy-Zeon are a lot like those of Britian and America when the whole Revolutionary war started. We didn't believe they could effectively rule from a whole different country, so we wentto war and broke off. The way I see it is the Zeon are doing the same thing. They want to brake away cuz they don't think the Earth can correctly rule and govern the colonies. There is always more to the story but this s the way I see it. ...only the the Americans didn't commit mass genocide and plan to take over Britain after gaining "independence." The "cause" according the Zeon is independence, but Ghiren wanted more than just independence. It wanted to take over its former ruler and establish the Zeon as a "superior race," eliminating those who were weaker (see MSG Movie III). (and for the record, I'm not a Feddie-sympathizer. Their corrupted side isn't all that different from the Zeeks at times.)
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