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 Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:04 pm
Lethkhar People die in wars, too. That's the whole point of war; It's murder on a large scale. I'd disagree. I don't believe that what happens between the combatants of war is murder. non-combatants and civilians, of course, are a whole different story.
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:37 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar People die in wars, too. That's the whole point of war; It's murder on a large scale. I'd disagree. I don't believe that what happens between the combatants of war is murder. non-combatants and civilians, of course, are a whole different story. And that was the idea behind my sarcastic remark. Innocents die in war. We all know that.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:58 pm
Lethkhar Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar People die in wars, too. That's the whole point of war; It's murder on a large scale. I'd disagree. I don't believe that what happens between the combatants of war is murder. non-combatants and civilians, of course, are a whole different story. And that was the idea behind my sarcastic remark. Innocents die in war. We all know that. Yes, but the real question is this - Is the sacrifice worth it? In which scenario would more people die: war, or evil dictator ruling the country.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:07 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar People die in wars, too. That's the whole point of war; It's murder on a large scale. I'd disagree. I don't believe that what happens between the combatants of war is murder. non-combatants and civilians, of course, are a whole different story. And that was the idea behind my sarcastic remark. Innocents die in war. We all know that. Yes, but the real question is this - Is the sacrifice worth it? In which scenario would more people die: war, or evil dictator ruling the country. Oppression in itself warrants rebellion-Who are we to decide when or where it occurs? I think that should be the decision of the people in the country, not the decision of an outsider. If they feel they are being oppressed, then chances are they'll do something about it. If not, it's obviously not important enough to them.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:24 pm
Lethkhar Oppression in itself warrants rebellion-Who are we to decide when or where it occurs? I think that should be the decision of the people in the country, not the decision of an outsider. If they feel they are being oppressed, then chances are they'll do something about it. If not, it's obviously not important enough to them. BY the same logic, helping someone about to be murdered is wrong. If they really wanted to stay alive, they'd have fought better/more.
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:59 am
Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar Oppression in itself warrants rebellion-Who are we to decide when or where it occurs? I think that should be the decision of the people in the country, not the decision of an outsider. If they feel they are being oppressed, then chances are they'll do something about it. If not, it's obviously not important enough to them. BY the same logic, helping someone about to be murdered is wrong. If they really wanted to stay alive, they'd have fought better/more. No, because murder implies an external source of the oppression. If it's really just a dictator that's causing all of the oppression, then dealing with him would be about as easy as the French had it in their revolution.
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:51 am
Lethkhar Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar Oppression in itself warrants rebellion-Who are we to decide when or where it occurs? I think that should be the decision of the people in the country, not the decision of an outsider. If they feel they are being oppressed, then chances are they'll do something about it. If not, it's obviously not important enough to them. BY the same logic, helping someone about to be murdered is wrong. If they really wanted to stay alive, they'd have fought better/more. No, because murder implies an external source of the oppression. If it's really just a dictator that's causing all of the oppression, then dealing with him would be about as easy as the French had it in their revolution.Yes, because we all know that they always have the weapons, numbers, morality, and supplies to fight back. rolleyes
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:47 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar Oppression in itself warrants rebellion-Who are we to decide when or where it occurs? I think that should be the decision of the people in the country, not the decision of an outsider. If they feel they are being oppressed, then chances are they'll do something about it. If not, it's obviously not important enough to them. BY the same logic, helping someone about to be murdered is wrong. If they really wanted to stay alive, they'd have fought better/more. No, because murder implies an external source of the oppression. If it's really just a dictator that's causing all of the oppression, then dealing with him would be about as easy as the French had it in their revolution.Yes, because we all know that they always have the weapons, numbers, morality, and supplies to fight back. rolleyes If it's really just the dictator that they're against, it shouldn't really matter, should it? Again, look at the French Revolution. It was just a bunch of peasants against the greatest military in the world.
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:08 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar Oppression in itself warrants rebellion-Who are we to decide when or where it occurs? I think that should be the decision of the people in the country, not the decision of an outsider. If they feel they are being oppressed, then chances are they'll do something about it. If not, it's obviously not important enough to them. BY the same logic, helping someone about to be murdered is wrong. If they really wanted to stay alive, they'd have fought better/more. No, because murder implies an external source of the oppression. If it's really just a dictator that's causing all of the oppression, then dealing with him would be about as easy as the French had it in their revolution.Yes, because we all know that they always have the weapons, numbers, morality, and supplies to fight back. rolleyes If it's really just the dictator that they're against, it shouldn't really matter, should it? Again, look at the French Revolution. It was just a bunch of peasants against the greatest military in the world. Just the dictator and a whole army that probably has the best weapons and supplies that the country has to offer. Again, not everything is going to happen the exact same as the French Revolution. You don't know the circumstances, so you can't predict what is going to happen. Unless your a prophet. ninja
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:47 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar Cometh The Inquisitor BY the same logic, helping someone about to be murdered is wrong. If they really wanted to stay alive, they'd have fought better/more. No, because murder implies an external source of the oppression. If it's really just a dictator that's causing all of the oppression, then dealing with him would be about as easy as the French had it in their revolution.Yes, because we all know that they always have the weapons, numbers, morality, and supplies to fight back. rolleyes If it's really just the dictator that they're against, it shouldn't really matter, should it? Again, look at the French Revolution. It was just a bunch of peasants against the greatest military in the world. Just the dictator and a whole army that probably has the best weapons and supplies that the country has to offer. Isn't the army part of the country? If the revolution is universal, the army should be in support of rebels. If the army's on the dictator's side, obviously not everyone feels that the dictator is doing a lousy job. Quote: Again, not everything is going to happen the exact same as the French Revolution. You don't know the circumstances, so you can't predict what is going to happen. Unless your a prophet. ninja You should read some stuff by John Locke. People who are governed are governed by their own consent. If they do not consent, or said government breaks its social contract with the people, the government won't be long for this world.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:45 am
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar No, because murder implies an external source of the oppression. If it's really just a dictator that's causing all of the oppression, then dealing with him would be about as easy as the French had it in their revolution.Yes, because we all know that they always have the weapons, numbers, morality, and supplies to fight back. rolleyes If it's really just the dictator that they're against, it shouldn't really matter, should it? Again, look at the French Revolution. It was just a bunch of peasants against the greatest military in the world. Just the dictator and a whole army that probably has the best weapons and supplies that the country has to offer. Isn't the army part of the country? If the revolution is universal, the army should be in support of rebels. If the army's on the dictator's side, obviously not everyone feels that the dictator is doing a lousy job. Unless the army is held together by a religion. If the conviction is strong enough, then the army will do anything for the leader, short of blasphemy.Quote: Again, not everything is going to happen the exact same as the French Revolution. You don't know the circumstances, so you can't predict what is going to happen. Unless your a prophet. ninja You should read some stuff by John Locke. People who are governed are governed by their own consent. If they do not consent, or said government breaks its social contract with the people, the government won't be long for this world. I agree, but the main argument was that you said that it would be as easy as the French Revolution. You don't know if it will be easy or not. It could take a few months, or it could take several decades. We can't predict if we don't know the circumstances.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:51 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Yes, because we all know that they always have the weapons, numbers, morality, and supplies to fight back. rolleyes If it's really just the dictator that they're against, it shouldn't really matter, should it? Again, look at the French Revolution. It was just a bunch of peasants against the greatest military in the world. Just the dictator and a whole army that probably has the best weapons and supplies that the country has to offer. Isn't the army part of the country? If the revolution is universal, the army should be in support of rebels. If the army's on the dictator's side, obviously not everyone feels that the dictator is doing a lousy job. Unless the army is held together by a religion. If the conviction is strong enough, then the army will do anything for the leader, short of blasphemy.Religion is just a system of beliefs. If the army is held together by a religion, then there are citizens of that nation who also are of that religion. Where else would a dictator get his army except from his citizens? As long as the citizens are happy with their dictator, are you really justified to overthrow him to grant them "freedom"? Quote: Quote: Again, not everything is going to happen the exact same as the French Revolution. You don't know the circumstances, so you can't predict what is going to happen. Unless your a prophet. ninja You should read some stuff by John Locke. GuardianAngel44 People who are governed are governed by their own consent. If they do not consent, or said government breaks its social contract with the people, the government won't be long for this world. I agree, but the main argument was that you said that it would be as easy as the French Revolution. You don't know if it will be easy or not. It could take a few months, or it could take several decades. We can't predict if we don't know the circumstances. No, my main argument was that it would be easy if it's an entire nation against a single man. You are correct, though. Civil wars can be tricky. But they're civil wars; outside forces really have no place in them.
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:12 pm
Lethkhar Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Yes, because we all know that they always have the weapons, numbers, morality, and supplies to fight back. rolleyes If it's really just the dictator that they're against, it shouldn't really matter, should it? Again, look at the French Revolution. It was just a bunch of peasants against the greatest military in the world. Just the dictator and a whole army that probably has the best weapons and supplies that the country has to offer. Isn't the army part of the country? If the revolution is universal, the army should be in support of rebels. If the army's on the dictator's side, obviously not everyone feels that the dictator is doing a lousy job. Unless the army is held together by a religion. If the conviction is strong enough, then the army will do anything for the leader, short of blasphemy.Religion is just a system of beliefs. If the army is held together by a religion, then there are citizens of that nation who also are of that religion. Where else would a dictator get his army except from his citizens? As long as the citizens are happy with their dictator, are you really justified to overthrow him to grant them "freedom"? Not really, but we aren't talking about a country that's happy with it's dictator, or we wouldn't be having this argument. If a country is happy with it's dictator, then we shouldn't get involved. The only reason that we should is if the dictator did something bad that directly involved us - i.e. launching an attack on us.Quote: Quote: Again, not everything is going to happen the exact same as the French Revolution. You don't know the circumstances, so you can't predict what is going to happen. Unless your a prophet. ninja You should read some stuff by John Locke. GuardianAngel44 People who are governed are governed by their own consent. If they do not consent, or said government breaks its social contract with the people, the government won't be long for this world. I agree, but the main argument was that you said that it would be as easy as the French Revolution. You don't know if it will be easy or not. It could take a few months, or it could take several decades. We can't predict if we don't know the circumstances. No, my main argument was that it would be easy if it's an entire nation against a single man. Oh, ok. I agree with you on that.You are correct, though. Civil wars can be tricky. But they're civil wars; outside forces really have no place in them. I agree. So, are we going to stop debating or what?
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:46 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar If it's really just the dictator that they're against, it shouldn't really matter, should it? Again, look at the French Revolution. It was just a bunch of peasants against the greatest military in the world. Just the dictator and a whole army that probably has the best weapons and supplies that the country has to offer. Isn't the army part of the country? If the revolution is universal, the army should be in support of rebels. If the army's on the dictator's side, obviously not everyone feels that the dictator is doing a lousy job. Unless the army is held together by a religion. If the conviction is strong enough, then the army will do anything for the leader, short of blasphemy.Religion is just a system of beliefs. If the army is held together by a religion, then there are citizens of that nation who also are of that religion. Where else would a dictator get his army except from his citizens? As long as the citizens are happy with their dictator, are you really justified to overthrow him to grant them "freedom"? Not really, but we aren't talking about a country that's happy with it's dictator, or we wouldn't be having this argument. If a country is happy with it's dictator, then we shouldn't get involved. The only reason that we should is if the dictator did something bad that directly involved us - i.e. launching an attack on us.Quote: Quote: Again, not everything is going to happen the exact same as the French Revolution. You don't know the circumstances, so you can't predict what is going to happen. Unless your a prophet. ninja You should read some stuff by John Locke. GuardianAngel44 People who are governed are governed by their own consent. If they do not consent, or said government breaks its social contract with the people, the government won't be long for this world. I agree, but the main argument was that you said that it would be as easy as the French Revolution. You don't know if it will be easy or not. It could take a few months, or it could take several decades. We can't predict if we don't know the circumstances. No, my main argument was that it would be easy if it's an entire nation against a single man. Oh, ok. I agree with you on that.You are correct, though. Civil wars can be tricky. But they're civil wars; outside forces really have no place in them. I agree. So, are we going to stop debating or what? We seem to be in complete agreement.
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:15 pm
That's happening alot lately. Just look at all the other discussions.
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