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DarthCowardus Vice Captain
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 Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:30 am
On this page, read the three posts above your first post and respond to them.
Okay, there are a couple problems with that. Firstly, what kind of anti-gravity technology does Black Fang possess and how did they get their hands on it? While Star Wars is admittedly vague regarding gravity and anti-gravity technologies, it is clear that common gravity generators require something the size of a ship to power and transport them. Repulsorlifts can be smaller than that, but they only function within a gravity field. Secondly, there is a tremendous amount of energy needed to contain and maintain neutron stellar matter not contained by the gravity of itself. Basically, it would require a gravity field with the magnitude of a neutron star. Without that field, it would simply explode. And violently, very little could release more energy for the same volume or mass of matter, especially not as quickly. Basically, I don't think canon Star Wars gravity generators could be used to contain neutron matter. They aren't powerful enough, or they aren't small enough to be finely controlled. That means you need to provide some other explanation for the technology's origin.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:44 pm
I agree with everything DN said, actually. The Peace Accord would even explain the existance of large Assassin's guilds like the Black Fang; Nations can't get rid of leaders in other nations they don't like, Political or otherwise, through military force because of the accord. Thus, they hire assassins to "remove" said leaders instead. It would also explain why the Fang would have a military might to match an actual nation.
As for the tech, the barrel is made of a mineral with negative gravity, like anti-matter, but with the physical properties of normal matter. Just a mineral like Metatron and whatever raw Materia is. Truthfully, the mineral's just a massive plot device, like all the other minerals in Star Wars/Z.O.E/Star Trek/Whatever. Whatever is used to mine the minerals would most likely be made of this, though I'd have no clue HOW they'd use it without getting the pilot killed or drone lost. As for where they'd get it, it would most likely be bought from a company that creates such minerals, which wouldn't be too shocking since the Fang's rates can bankrupt entire planets.
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DarthCowardus Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:02 pm
That makes sense, although obviously Black Fang would have to be called a mercenary police/security force and would probably have to have some contractual restrictions against fighting one nation for another to comply with the Accord. We'll also need to develop a system for resource-gathering and unit-manufacturing.
The problem with a mineral like that is that gravity doesn't work that way. Gravity is one of the Fundamental Forces, a basic property of matter. The closest thing to what you describe, though, is a repulsorlift, but those work by being repelled by gravity rather than being attracted. The problem with that is while it could possibly withstand the gravity of the nuclear matter, it still could not maintain electron degeneracy pressure (the pressure that forces electrons to combine with protons and form neutrons). I think you may want to read up on Star Wars repulsor technology. That could give you something to do what you are trying. The other problem with the mineral you describe is that it would be extremely difficult to handle and use in the construction of a weapon. Plus, I'd prefer to avoid introducing any new plot devices because that makes it way too easy for things to get out of hand with the Guild. Again.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:16 pm
Hokay:
Peace Accords: Good idea. I'll work on a draft
As part of them, and to solve the problem with fleet size- What about a per-capita setting on ships. While this would give larger governments more power, part of the accord would be the rallying of all other forces against an agressive nation. A mixture of deterrence and the Alliance System. In the words of Agent J, "Don't start nothin', there won't be nothin'"
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DarthCowardus Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:27 pm
I would favor everyone having an equal start. Admittedly, mostly because I would rather not figure out what kind of numbers the Mirai would have. For such a system to be fair, it would have to be based on population rather than planets. I think it would be simpler if it was just no military, only police forces sufficient to maintain internal order. I also think it would be highly unlikely that any Peace Accord could manage rallying the remaining forces to stand against aggressors. Or perhaps that would just mean that the remaining nations will have a hard time putting aside differences to face aggressors. What I think makes more sense is for military forces to be banned entirely so that nobody has a force with which to 'aggress'.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:35 pm
Police Force it is. great, the Galaxy is Japan
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DarthCowardus Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:45 pm
Yeah, pretty much. Except that police force excludes even defense forces. So any military action will require the construction or conversion of units first. That's where the production system comes in.
As I've said before, I would rather avoid resource gathering requirements because resources can vary greatly among different factions. But I also think it makes sense for there to be some kind of system that prioritizes certain planets. That's why I think a production system should include unit-building facilities and a process for creating them. In fact, we could even indirectly include resource-gathering if some factions' facilities require multiple 'buildings' to produce new units. But in all of that, I'd rather not come up with a production system myself, because I still have the combat system to work out.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:22 pm
DarthCowardus That makes sense, although obviously Black Fang would have to be called a mercenary police/security force and would probably have to have some contractual restrictions against fighting one nation for another to comply with the Accord. We'll also need to develop a system for resource-gathering and unit-manufacturing.
The problem with a mineral like that is that gravity doesn't work that way. Gravity is one of the Fundamental Forces, a basic property of matter. The closest thing to what you describe, though, is a repulsorlift, but those work by being repelled by gravity rather than being attracted. The problem with that is while it could possibly withstand the gravity of the nuclear matter, it still could not maintain electron degeneracy pressure (the pressure that forces electrons to combine with protons and form neutrons). I think you may want to read up on Star Wars repulsor technology. That could give you something to do what you are trying. The other problem with the mineral you describe is that it would be extremely difficult to handle and use in the construction of a weapon. Plus, I'd prefer to avoid introducing any new plot devices because that makes it way too easy for things to get out of hand with the Guild. Again. In public, the Fang probably WOULD use such a name. It's good PR. In reality, though, they're more like assassins... Crap. Black Fang is the Secret Police on hire. As to the Anti-Grav, some sort of suped-up repulsor system could work. A small nuclear power pack could be built into the rifle butt. The resulting depleted uranium could be used for the rounds in the Assault rifles.
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DarthCowardus Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:19 pm
Black Fang would have to be a police/assassin force. Actually. At least initially, due to the Accord.
And the Neutrino rounds you described in Black Fang tech still don't work. For one thing, you have to explain Vector Traps and where that technology came from. But also repulsors would be very hard to form into weapon barrels and impossible to maintain for more than a few shots. And anyway, repulsors don't generate their own gravity fields, they are just repelled by gravity. Repulsors wouldn't put any pressure on the rounds. And the barrels you describe in the Tech thread would explode unless they have mass equal to the rounds passing through them. The weapons would also require continuous, massive amounts of power. Even with Star Wars technology, reactor containment is still pretty large, too large to be used in a weapon or if you could make it small enough to be in a weapon, it would have too much mass to be practical. Even after that, you still haven't accounted for the rounds themselves. Containment is a major issue. For one thing, Star Wars doesn't have any of the technology to even approach a Neutron Star to mine it and transport its core matter. Also, you still haven't explained how the nuclear matter is maintained in a compressed state. The rounds would simply explode. And after that, you fail to account for the effects of gravity once the round is fired from the weapon. Nobody would survive a weapon firing those rounds; it would be suicide for the shooter.
I think it would make more sense for Black Fang to just fire regular projectiles. Those are certainly plenty powerful enough even for Star Wars and the Guild. If you really want, Black Fang can fire explosive ceramic or molten metal projectiles. Either of those would have more than enough energy to be deadly even in the Guild. And incidentally, Mirai infantry will be using projectile weapons that fire energized picocytic matter, basically explosive ceramic rounds.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:15 pm
So, with this Peace Accord thing ... if I'm understanding this correctly, everyone would pretty much be starting out with limited forces ... the police/defense force thing ... and any military units would have to be constructed once the rp starts. Is that right?
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DarthCowardus Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:47 pm
The way I want it, everyone would be starting out with zero forces. The Accord would allow for police forces, but the implication is that those forces would remain limited to and fully occupied by their police occupation. To give everyone a equal start. While it would be true that larger factions could potentially grow more quickly by having more planets capable of producing militaries, that would be perfectly logical given the greater power of those factions. And those factions would have more to protect so it is unlikely that they could raise any offensive force notably greater than a faction with fewer planets.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:52 pm
This is what I have so far for points of the accords
• The Old Republic is hereby disbanded. In its stead, the Galactic Federation, headquartered on Corellia will take most of the former territories and properties of the republic. Membership is voluntary, but encouraged.
• The Sith Empire will maintain control of the Deep Core. Similarly, worlds that have openly and freely embraced Sith teachings and religion will be awarded to the Empire.
• All military forces are to be disbanded. In their stead, there will be only enough ships to police and protect the territory at hand. There will be no more naval personnel than is required to effectively maintain the police force.
• No Police Force shall exceed One thousand ships.
• No ship shall exceed ten kilometers in length
• No shipboard weapon shall exceed 3 teratons in power
• The Use of radiological and biological weapons on planets is strictly prohibited.
• “Doomsday” weapons, such as Superlasers are strictly prohibited
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DarthCowardus Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:35 pm
Looks good, but I would say 1.5 km for max ship length because that's a little bigger than an Imperial Star Destroyer from Star Wars canon and those were a pretty big deal unless there was a major military action taking place.
And maybe instead of "Doomsday" weapons being prohibited. Ban only weapons capable of attacking across interstellar ranges. Then since there are power restrictions on shipboard weapons, the primary impetus for building such weapons is removed, but there could still be powerful weapons used in defense of planets or as substitutes for manning police navies.
These are just suggestions, but I think they fit in with the 'mood' of the end of the Oblivion War (as I understand things to have supposedly worked out in the new Guild) while still providing enough loose ends and vagaries that there could be a fairly quick escalation once the Guild starts.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:24 pm
DarthCowardus Black Fang would have to be a police/assassin force. Actually. At least initially, due to the Accord.
And the Neutrino rounds you described in Black Fang tech still don't work. For one thing, you have to explain Vector Traps and where that technology came from. But also repulsors would be very hard to form into weapon barrels and impossible to maintain for more than a few shots. And anyway, repulsors don't generate their own gravity fields, they are just repelled by gravity. Repulsors wouldn't put any pressure on the rounds. And the barrels you describe in the Tech thread would explode unless they have mass equal to the rounds passing through them. The weapons would also require continuous, massive amounts of power. Even with Star Wars technology, reactor containment is still pretty large, too large to be used in a weapon or if you could make it small enough to be in a weapon, it would have too much mass to be practical. Even after that, you still haven't accounted for the rounds themselves. Containment is a major issue. For one thing, Star Wars doesn't have any of the technology to even approach a Neutron Star to mine it and transport its core matter. Also, you still haven't explained how the nuclear matter is maintained in a compressed state. The rounds would simply explode. And after that, you fail to account for the effects of gravity once the round is fired from the weapon. Nobody would survive a weapon firing those rounds; it would be suicide for the shooter.
I think it would make more sense for Black Fang to just fire regular projectiles. Those are certainly plenty powerful enough even for Star Wars and the Guild. If you really want, Black Fang can fire explosive ceramic or molten metal projectiles. Either of those would have more than enough energy to be deadly even in the Guild. And incidentally, Mirai infantry will be using projectile weapons that fire energized picocytic matter, basically explosive ceramic rounds. Molten metal rounds fit the Fang's taste better. Neutrino rounds will be thus removed.
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DarthCowardus Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:07 pm
Sounds good. It might make sense to pick a metal to form the rounds. Copper is currently used in a new special forces explosive and is a good choice for a molten metal projectile. Also, you mention that the anti-material sniper rifle fires anti-matter rounds, but never go into detail about that. It would be simple for the round to be a small magnetic container of positron (antielectron) plasma that would be quite powerful, equivalent to a demo charge. I just think you need details or to at least confirm whether or not Black Fang uses the rounds. There isn't really much need for antimatter rounds outside of military combat so it might just be better to drop them.
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