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limits on forgiveness?
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fabifly

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:18 pm


Do you think that God would forgive anyone for anything?

Like say, a *****? A murderer? A rapist? A child abuser? Someone who commits suicide?

Do you think there are limits on what God will forgive?

Discuss smile
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:23 pm


~IMO~
God always forgives us for anything. The only place Jesus ever said He would not forgive us was if we didn't forgive others:
Matthew 6:15
"But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

Also there's this verse:
Matthew 12:31
"And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven."

What do you think he meant by 'blaspheme?' As in 'reject' the Holy Spirit?

fabifly


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:05 pm


Nothing we do is enough to seperate us from God's love, aside from rejecting him. No matter what we do, God loves and forgives us because he isn't bound to limits on forgiveness like we are.

However, God doesn't want to be in a relationship with someone who doesn't want to be in a relationship with him either, so really, I think the only "unforgivable" sin if you will would be rejecting him. But even then, if you were to find him, and honestly believe in him, I think he'd give you some leway.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:45 pm


Yeah, I personally think it is clear from Matt 12 that there is a limit on forgiveness. But grace is huge!

Hasmonean


Sarcastic_Angel

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:25 pm


Ever heard the lords prayer? And forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. I finally understand this part. It's saying the Lord will forgive you. And if you want full forgiveness, forgive how Jesus forgives. Kinda like W.W.J.D.

And I think the only thing God won't forgive is if we blaspheme his name. I'm not sure what that means, even though the definition in the dictionary is "speaking of God as irrelevant" or "speaking against God". So as long as we don't do that, and we try to forgive as Jesus forgives, we're good.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:57 pm


fabifly
~IMO~
God always forgives us for anything. The only place Jesus ever said He would not forgive us was if we didn't forgive others:
Matthew 6:15
"But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

Also there's this verse:
Matthew 12:31
"And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven."

What do you think he meant by 'blaspheme?' As in 'reject' the Holy Spirit?


I think it means that if we reject the Holy Spirit then he can't bring us into heaven.

GuardianAngel44


Lady of Serenity

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:15 pm


fabifly
~IMO~
God always forgives us for anything. The only place Jesus ever said He would not forgive us was if we didn't forgive others:
Matthew 6:15
"But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

Also there's this verse:
Matthew 12:31
"And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven."

What do you think he meant by 'blaspheme?' As in 'reject' the Holy Spirit?


Quote:
Acts 7:51
51"You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit!


Resisting the Holy Spirit is a step towards blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Because I'm really not in the mode to go super-deep, I'll put it as simply as I can.

When a person hears the gospel, yet does not accept Christ as their Lord and Savior, they're resisting the Holy Spirit, Whose job in the life of an unbeliever is to lead them to Christ. I could get scripture and whatnot, but I'm really just being lazy right now.

Anywho, the sin is unforgivable, because it means when the person dies, they're paying for they're own sins, and not Christ. Sooo, that would mean...when someone dies before making Christ their Lord and Savior ( and no, I am not getting into the debate of the guy in the deep jungles of Africa who dies without hearing the gospel. Don't even bring it up. Not trying to be mean, but I'm just umm...doing what I'll call...giving a warning ), they've THEN blasphemed the Holy Spirit ( because in the life of an unbeliever, the Holy Spirit's job is to guide that person to Christ so that they can be saved. Salvation is a work of the Spirit. No man can ever do anything to earn eternal life. )

In summary, it just means that if a person doesn't get saved before dying, they've blasphemed the Holy Spirit, because they had the opportunity to accept Christ as Lord while alive ( because the Holy Spirit was guiding them to the Truth, which is Christ ), yet chose not to.

So yeah, everytime we resist salvation, we're getting closer to committing that unforgivable sin.

If it was just saying something bad about God, then I'd be going to Hell when I die ( xd and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I'm not going there, thank God. ) Before I got saved, I definitely had stuff to say about God. And it wasn't nice stuff. Now that I think about that...I thank God for His Grace and Mercy. Don't know where I'd be without it...

^^; And yeah, that was the short version.

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About the topic...I'll try to get back to all you lovely people and put my not even penny's worth "opinion" in. And when I say "opinion" I use quotation marks because my stance on this argument is what the Bible says about this matter, so technically, my "opinion" is, in actuality, God's opinion, which is definitely the best opinion to want to agree with.

So yeah...until next time...or not ( since I might just be too lazy to even come back to this )

Have a blessed rest-of-the week everybody! ( If I seem kind of weird today, I'm on one of those...umm... I'll call it...Jesus highs ( xd It sounds so funny, but that's the only way I can describe it. ) Like, I'm so caught up in how amazing God is, I'm just really, really, really times infinity happy and whatnot. Man, I love God like, ALOT. Dude, this feels great. Okay, so I'm done now.)

Hasta luegos, everybody-os! ( sweatdrop I'm not 0 on how to say everybody in Spanish... )
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:13 pm


So basically what you're saying is that it's forgivable up until you die, at which point, if you have continued to reject Christ and His Spirit, you are 100% responsible for your own sins. I'd never thought of it that way. eek That makes alot of sense.

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Rev Shrubbery

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:02 am


There aren't limits on forgiveness, but as has been said, we have to be open to the work of the holy spirit. If we're completely unwilling to accept God, that is rejection--and this is not appropriate ground for a healthy relationship.

The thing I think not enough people worry about is the fact that there will be some people who, on judgement day, will say to God 'I have followed your laws and accepted you,' in defense of their lives, and God will say, 'Go hence from me. I never knew you.'

There are a lot of legalistic, ritualistic Christians out there who have not accepted the Holy spirit, and yet they're confident that they have. Though that is not, per se, an 'unforgivable sin,' it is a great danger that all Christians will run into at one point or anther. Our ability to distinguish between a true relationship with God and an imagined one comes when we have experienced the former--and if we aren't sure that we have, we need to remain open to the Holy Spirit just like the day we first learned of its exitence. If we don't give up on God, God won't give up on us.

But it has to be geniune. In other words:


Titus 4-7
But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:18 pm


I really like what I'm seeing in this thread. This really is the truth: the only way to fall short of grace is to refuse to beleive in that grace. It really makes sense, even if it means we have to face the fact that some nasty characters can get an easy second chance, but that why Christianity rocks, (amoung 10,000 other things)

BookSage


[WolfVs.Wolf]

PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:03 am


Again...To sleepy to read thru it all. I believe that Yes, He would forgive anything. A murder or child abuser would be forgiven. But ONLY if they truly ask for forgivness. Remember...When Jesus walked the earth, He spent his time with murderers, rapists and prostitutes...He spent his time with those who needed him the most. Not those who were already going to Heaven.

However, true forgivness means not commiting the sins he asked for redemption for again.

Suicide, I'm not sure on that. I have heared arguments from both sides on that issue. I have yet to come to a conclusion on it.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:28 pm


IF You repent with an honest heart then you will be forgiven; When jesus died on the cross, it is said that he died for our sins, and it is true at that.

When Jesus has died for our SINS he MEANS SINS not a little white lie, not being mean or giving a random dirty glance at smeone... ANY SIN there is no specification, so as it is said WE ARE FORGIVEN, REPENT FOR FORGIVENESS AND MERCY.

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Myres


GuardianAngel44

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:13 am


All sin is equal. ALL SIN IS EQUAL. A little white lie is equal to murdering someone. A dirty glance at someone is equal to raping someone. You don't seem to understand that.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:32 pm


GuardianAngel44
All sin is equal. ALL SIN IS EQUAL. A little white lie is equal to murdering someone. A dirty glance at someone is equal to raping someone. You don't seem to understand that.

I agree that sin is equal in regards to the Law. The effects of our sin upon others are not equal.

Jesus says that lusting after someone is adultery in one's heart, because the lust doesn't come from true love for God and that person.

Just clearing that up.

Priestley


Silver Wingling

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:04 pm


GuardianAngel44
All sin is equal. ALL SIN IS EQUAL. A little white lie is equal to murdering someone. A dirty glance at someone is equal to raping someone. You don't seem to understand that.
Well, I know this is a common statement, but if so, why are the 7 deadly sins listed as being the worst?
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