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 Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:01 pm
Seeing as a subject which talks about a bill changing where our tax money goes has nothing to do with how we as individuals have no control over our taxation, I'm making this.
Discuss things of the nature-
How taxation goes to war and abortion
Taxation without representation
Democracy versus Republic
Money making off of the government and government sanctioned activities
(such as war, abortion, horizontal integration)
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:07 pm
Baiscally, here's how I'm seeing it (And well, it's pretty much true...)
We have no say in our government at all. Not really.
We vote for people to make decisions for us, yes. However... individual votes don't matter. Ever.
Politicians have the right to vote electoraly for whatever they want, regardless of what the people choose. Classic example- In vermont, our representative voted for civil unions. The people did not. There were more people against it than for it. However, the representative chose to vote for it anyway, and the vote went through. Although it is likely that the representatives will go with the people, it is not guaranteed.
Furthermore, elecotral votes. Oftentimes in a presidential election, more PEOPLE will vote for the person who loses than for the person who wins. The election is determined by electoral votes, basically by the representatives who vote for the people. Again, we can see potential corruption from miles. *coughfloridacough*
So basically, in this republic of ours, we have this- We get to vote for a person who has a limited say in the government, who doesn't have to say what we want them to anyway.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:15 pm
It's not taxation without representation, because we're represented. It's taking those words very out of context to say we're living in "taxation without representation," unless you live in Washington D.C., which if you do, let's get together for lunch some time ^^
I'll stay on taxation right now, because that's what started this whole thing.
It's true that 13% of abortions are paid for with taxes (mostly state funds), but the government actually forbids the funding of abortion in most cases. 17 states fund it, but only 4 do it voluntarily, according to AG. The rest reportedly do it under court order. I'm also pretty sure there's a lot of public support for spending taxes on abortions, and certainly in cases to save a mother's life, which is what most states have. As for the war, when it started, there was a lot of public support for it.
The reason taxes are distributed as the government sees fit is because otherwise, people wouldn't pay for things they didn't think were necessary...healthcare for poor people, social security for the elderly, public schools, etc, because they themselves wouldn't use it. Sure, some would, but most would only pay what they had to and where it would benefit them the most, and that would leave a lot of people without healthcare, without schools for their children, without food....that wouldn't be a good situation.
Sometimes, the government is going to spend your money in a way which you don't like, but don't forget, they're also using other peoples' money for things that you do like them spending it on, but the amount of people who would care enough to use their own portion of taxes on it would mean less money for that thing.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:21 pm
I'll also point out the weirdness of electoral voting for a second, which explains a bit why electorates don't match up with the popular vote all of the time.
I don't remember what it's called. I suck, I know, but I do remember this.
Let's say there are two states, and in both states, 5/8ths of the population votes for Joe. Both of these states have a designated number of 8 electorates. In the first state, 5 electorates from Joe's party will go off to cast their vote and 3 from Jim's party will cast their vote. In the second state, though, all 8 will vote for Joe's party, because even though he only won by 1/8, even if he had only won by 1/1000th, he would still get all of the votes for his party, because he won the majority of the state.
I'm too tired to go over the math of it, but it is very possible for more people in the country to vote for a candidate but for the other candidate to get more electoral votes in his for her party.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:49 am
The taxation is very slightly with representation. Wether it is a king who is born into power or an official you have a tiny portion in maybe or maybe not electing, they still call the shots. And even if you get a perfect representative, all the other states can easily outweigh it.
It all just makes me uneasy, how corruptable it is. The whole thing is sketchy.
I mean, if you'd never heard of any government ever, if this was completely new to you... it would be quite... scary, I would guess.
Basically, a system of power based on votes in which you have a tiny say in. And this tiny say is for who controls the law, it's not a tiny say over the actual laws, it's a tiny say for a person who has a slightly larger say on the laws and rules. Furthermore, these people you have a tiny say in don't have to do what you want them to do, regarding laws.
Also, all things, even foods and medecines, are traded for an imaginary system of money. Without this money stuff, you will die. You get money at a job, and need money to pay for an education to get a better job, but don't usually make enough money in a lower-end job to pay for an education and balance food and such.
Meanwhile, some people have a lot of this money stuff. When you work, they make more money. With this money ,they buy more supplies and workplaces to make even more money. Furthermore, if they want to, they can use this system of money to pay those governing officials you have little say in. Doing so, they can promote the person they want to win, or bribe the official to vote a certain way. And of course, since the elected officials need money just as much as anyone else...
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