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 Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:21 am
Well, illegal anime downloaders anyone?
I'm actually innocent, surprisingly.
What do you think about the people cracking down on illegal anime downloaders?
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:26 am
my mum said her colleague is getting fined 5000 bucks because her kids were downloading anime. from what i read in the papers i thought the max was 3000 O_o?
i don't really have all the facts. are they just fining people who download anime that they have already licensed or are they fining people for downloading ANY kind of anime. if it's the former, they do have the right. but if it's the latter i don't think they do, someone like the MDA should be responsible for that.
personally, i don't download anime, i used to download a bit but now i just watch whatever i can get my hands on on those flash streaming websites like youtube xd and i don't care so much about the quality as long as i can see what the hell is happening i'm content enough, i just want to know what happens next!
as for what the anime fans think, i do agree that some groups do produce really good translations and some are so fast they can deliver the episode within two or three days after the episode aired in japan. this is obviously WAY faster than ODEX will ever be so and in a way, i guess i do support that justification. i don't see what's so shocking about ODEX saying that people are beginning to think of anime as a "free commodity". who the hell wants to wait like 6 months for them to release DVDs/VCDs when fansubbers who operate on donations offer BETTER SERVICE?!
imo, downloading anime illegally off the internet will never stop until these anime licensing companies find a way to give them some real competition. otherwise anime fans honestly have no incentive to buy anime DVDs/VCDs from them other than trying to be an honest upholder of the law. who wants to when you get can it for a) free b) fast c) better quality translations than what YOU can provide.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:46 am
I did say $3-5,000 is too much. The number should be made negotiable to the situation. I kinda know Steven (worked for Odex before), and he said that those people who watch off the net(youtube and crunchyroll) is just as vulnerable as those that download. Yes, they only fine people that download anime they licensed.
Well, because when you watch off the net, you kind of "downloaded" it to your temporary internet files. Whatever it is, your ISP (Internet Service Provider) actually record it down. So, they can actually hunt you down!
And I read from the papers that Odex had forced StarHubs to reveal the download records of around 1,000 subscriber(there goes our secrets!). So your ISP is probably no longer safe.
xp
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:33 pm
I wonder which anime is licensed, I did watch one anime on youtube before they pulled it off because of licensing issues. So what does that mean, previously is legal? Oh well. Its ended so I haven't watched since and won't watch anymore xp
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:43 pm
I haven't downloaded anime before so I'm unaffected by the cases. I've actually bought a ton of anime from Odex and its all been really crappy, even worse than bootleg quality. And the subs are written by people who don't seem to know a word of English or Japanese.
Legally speaking Odex doesn't really have a case. If you read the editorial in yesterday's straits times then Singapore's copyright laws seem ok with fansubs since they're given out for free and not-for-profit and the anime aren't released in singapore in a reasonable time frame (6-8 weeks after they're released in Japan) they fall under the fair use category.
Secondly, Odex is suing people who were using bit torrent and cases like that have been thrown out in most other countries. The reason being that the only way Odex could have obtained lists of IPs of people downloading off bit torrent is if they were part of the illegal file sharing activity as well. Also matching an IP is notoriously unreliable.
The youtube thing being illegal is also totally false. If that was the case you could be sued for watching any ad, newscast or movie trailer online. Any cases that have been brought up against youtube have been directly against youtube, they don't even bother going after the people who are uploading things onto youtube.
Odex is just using fear mongering and lies to make up for their crappy sales. I wouldn't be worried about the letters people get and I'd actually try to go to court and get damages out of Odex for harrassment and slander. The only problem I could think of is that Singapore's judiciary isn't really independent. They're heavily influenced by the politicians and the politicians are all businessmen.
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:57 am
Odex is all "You don't buy our stuff cause you just download it online."
Srsly!? People who watch online and love the show end up buying the dvds.
http://hashihime.blogspot.com/2007/08/haruhi-dvd-sells-60000-in-us-helped-by.html
Odex is trying to defend their poor business ventures and s**t subs, dubs and quality. They completely ignore the factor that they plain suck, and attribute their failing sales to downloaders.
dramallama
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:41 pm
=D
Oh wow. Screw them then! +D
But I don't really watch Anime anyway. I prefer to read Manga.
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:29 pm
i dont support the anime that odex produces..i heard from my friend that it copies the subs that fan groups translate...and their anime is kinda expensive
lol..and i download from veoh.com so i guess i'm breaking the law
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:47 am
I don't download anime at all. O-O
I only download porn. mrgreen
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:22 pm
Did you guys hear that Odex lost its case against PacNet? Turns out PacNet was the only ISP that actually bothered fighting Odex in court. Singnet directly gave consent and didn't even send lawyers to fight. Starhub sent lawyers who didn't argue any good points.
The judge agreed with what people had been saying all along, that Odex wasn't the proper authority to sue and that the evidence they provided was useless.
I fell sorry for the people who got scared when they got the letters and paid Odex without fighting. Also very disappointed in StarHub that they didn't really try to fight. Not that surprised with SingNet's outright surrender though, their customer service is terrible.
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:56 pm
yeah. i think the article was in this weekend's edition of TODAY. ODEX got pwned lol domokun
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:33 am
Fezzy Did you guys hear that Odex lost its case against PacNet? Turns out PacNet was the only ISP that actually bothered fighting Odex in court. Singnet directly gave consent and didn't even send lawyers to fight. Starhub sent lawyers who didn't argue any good points. The judge agreed with what people had been saying all along, that Odex wasn't the proper authority to sue and that the evidence they provided was useless. I fell sorry for the people who got scared when they got the letters and paid Odex without fighting. Also very disappointed in StarHub that they didn't really try to fight. Not that surprised with SingNet's outright surrender though, their customer service is terrible. So... Is it safe to download again? LAWL. Through singnet or starhub. =D
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:35 am
SilvernKnight Fezzy Did you guys hear that Odex lost its case against PacNet? Turns out PacNet was the only ISP that actually bothered fighting Odex in court. Singnet directly gave consent and didn't even send lawyers to fight. Starhub sent lawyers who didn't argue any good points. The judge agreed with what people had been saying all along, that Odex wasn't the proper authority to sue and that the evidence they provided was useless. I fell sorry for the people who got scared when they got the letters and paid Odex without fighting. Also very disappointed in StarHub that they didn't really try to fight. Not that surprised with SingNet's outright surrender though, their customer service is terrible. So... Is it safe to download again? LAWL. Through singnet or starhub. =D Its never safe to download xp Its just that if the companies decide to sue you they need to have hard physical proof, like by raiding your computer or something.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:54 am
Well...odex wasn't being very legal, and it's only a representative of the companies legal rights in japan.
I dont think odex should be allowed to attain our information thout a subpoena or something. We should be allowed our right to privacy unless this is big brother.
So anyway the govt letting them do what they want just because some broke the law is really like big brother. Just because we are doing illegal things does not mean we don't have any rights.
I haven't studied copyright laws, but I'm pretty sure odex is just using a scare tactic. People who have consulted their lawyers were told not to give in to odex, and to ask for hard evidence. Odex can't do anything to them, it cant ask for a warrant to break into our computers.
And all the media is doing is to paint the anime downloaders in a very negative light, like being cheapskate enough not to buy 10 dollar vcds. In the first place, the dvds that we want are never out anyway.
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